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for that matter I just figured out today that I could change how this site displays on my pc....Nightshift is so much nicer to the eyes (well mine at least) than the default display I've been staring at since I joined here.

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alexander said:

what the hell are you talking about?

literally 23 seconds and: http://ftp.osuosl.or...esktop-i386.iso

or you can literaly ask them to mail you the CD for free! Get Ubuntu - Download, request a CD, or buy on CD/DVD | Ubuntu

all you need is a program to burn it, i hope you have a cd burning program or would you like a link to that as well?

Literally 2hrs 45 min...695MB
WTF kind of modem and ISP you got?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
And where can I get them.

[alexander]

Disturbed, sorry bro, i didn't want to make it feel like it actually took me 23 seconds to donwload the cd, ptobably took me like an hour or so, 23 seconds is what it took me to find, copy and paste the link...

PS nightshift is a little too light for me... i use my custom theme in stylish to further darken it

if you want a link to a really great piece of burning software.... Check out Infra Recorder found here: InfraRecorder » Downloads

A Mirror by the way is a server that continuously updates it's content, copying it from the original server(s) and hosts it. So to lessen the load on Ubuntu servers, many supporters of the ubuntu project host their own mirrors (for free) so that more people can more easily download the product. Unfortunately Ubuntu folks did not build in integration for finding mirrors based on your location, but hey, they have a Distro to update and run and stuff

yes, once you download the image to your computer, all you need is a blank cd and a burning program, burn the Iso onto the cd (not as iso, so don't just drag and drop, go through menus and find the burn image or burn from image or burn iso something to that extent in the menu selection and point it to the iso...

And as i said, i didn't mean to snap at you, it was just one of those days, and i had a wicked migrane...

Friends?

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N.P.

I've got it and it works. Sadly however the hard drive on my beater is k-put...FUBAR....no read no write....Dmit!!!! Figures finally have a use for the 'ol POS and it decides not to work! Oh well HD's are pretty cheap as things go...

I would install on this computer but I don't wish to risk screwing it up. (Sweetie would kill me!).

[freeztar]

You should be able to run it from cd, if you downloaded a livecd.
No installation necessary.

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freeztar said:

You should be able to run it from cd, if you downloaded a livecd.
No installation necessary.

Actually I downloaded a "live cd"
and an "installation cd"

The "live" to try it.

The install so I could tinker with it as an "actuall" O.S. on my beater.

It's one thing to boot up the live cd and go oooo ahhhhhh nifty!
It's quite another to actually install it add accessory programs* and actually use it as I presently use my XP o.s.

In other words a real world comparison of my present o.s. and a possibly better one without a learning curve system crash on my good computer! (OH SH**!!!!!!!!!! Tell me I didn't just delete that!!!!! F###! Where's my backups?!?!?!?!?!?!!)

*A media player, music editing software, imaging software etc.

(It's not an entirely fair test though as my beater is a 1.2Ghz wonly 128mb sys ram, 64mb vid while this one is a 3Ghz with 1.2G of sys ram, 512mb vid.)

[alexander]

freeztar, Ubuntu cds are live cds with the installation option (aka installer script and some packages)

Oh and yes you can read and most likely write to your windows partitions from linux.... It may not be automated in Ubuntu, but it's not hard to do

(# indicates a command for you to run)
Pop open a terminal

# su
now you are running as root (if asks for password, it should be empty, if it does not do anything, then you might be running as root, to check)

# whoami
should display root

Now to find your hard drive partitions

# ls /dev/hd*
if you see something like hda hda1 hda2 hda3 hdb hdb1 hdb2 hdc then you are running an ide drive, if you only see hda hdb hdc then you are not and should try

# ls /dev/sd*
should display a list of scsi/sata derives like sda sda1 sda2

ok at this point what do those mean, hda or sda indicates a drive or lack of thereof, if you have just hda then that means you have an unpartitioned drive, but further checking is needed, hda/sda1 or any other number indicate a partition of the drive so if you see hda hda1 hda2 you know that you have a hard drive hda with 2 partitions (ps linux will show hidden partitions with utils and stuff, except for the crazy ibm ones)

now that you see the list you need to figure out which partition you want, in this cfdisk is an invaluable tool

# cfdisk /dev/hda
this will bring you into a text-window interface that shows you partitions and allows you to allocate space. if you want to preserve data DO NOT use this tool to repartition your drive, but if you just need to find info or partition a new hd, this tool is as good as it gets. anyhow, not which partition you want to use (generally the bigger one) and quit out of the tool without writing or changing anything (space will set the boot flag on the partition, so don't use it too much, right/left moves between menu selections at the bottom enter chooses, also there are short keys)

ok so now that you know which partition you are going to use, and in my case i will use hda2 as an example, but it very easily can be sda1 or hda3 or or even sdb1.... etc (last hd device is generally the cd/dvd drive wich is also linked to by /dev/cdrom)

if you just want read access to the drive

# cd /media
# mkdir my_windows
# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/my_windows
# cd /media/my_windows
# ls -lsah
you should now see all the files in your windows drive (folders, hidden files, hashes all!)
you will also be able to navigate there via the graphical file explorer

Write access IS EXPERIMENTAL (aka reverse engineered, but works very well, yet still BE WARNED) Ah, also i can't recall if ubuntu live cd had ntfs-3g set up in it, so this may or may not work.... will work if you have ntfs-3g

# cd /media
# mkdir my_windows
# mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda2 /media/my_windows
# cd !$ (or cd /media/my_windows)
# ls -lsah
Should now display all the files

to test write support
# touch test
# ls te*
if it shows test as one of the outputs then you are good... if not then you did something wrong

Pay attention if you have any errors, remember that reading is essential, so use the skill

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WOO!HOO! This post is the first post on my Ubuntu powered beater!

Granted it's ancient (built 2002), it's a bit slow but it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alexander]

Congrats, i now have an ubuntu powered MBP.... i'll post a link to a howto article i gotta write up, yes there are many articles out there on howto set up ubuntu on mbp, but all of them somehow omit this tiny little detail that can make your life hell if you don't know what is going on... namely a problem of boot loader just totally failing to find any hardware bootable devices....

yes back to dual boot of linux/leopard, got compiz fusion running and kiba dock compiled

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Cool!!!

[DougF]

OK. I'm up to speed on this thread now.

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in a securityfocus article titled "Owning Vista from the Boot"

Good article, I'm still running XP and was thinking about upgrading to Vista hopping that it was better, but thinking hard about Linux now Questions on this at end.

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Pyrotex
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
Buy a Mac.

I got scared when I want to Window 95.

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CraigD
due not to evil intentions or technical negligence, but because the modern OS/application paradigm is inherently insecure – but again, that’s a subject for another thread.

If this thread gets started Please give me an invite, I would like to know more on this.

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Boerseun
Come on. Vista is about as clever as a toaster strapped to a wheelbarrow.

all of the people I know of who have Vista this is the same opinion.

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alexander
How did you guys get to the internet before they invented electricity?
(joking of course)

LOL

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Pyrotex
"The Top Ten Reasons Why Windows is Inferior"???

LOL

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alexander
lol you are probably the only person here who actually read it, it really is spot on..!

I read it and all of the attached links, and yes it's "spot on"

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Buffy
Chevy Corvair

I had one of this when I was 17, that thing never did run right.

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Theory5
I have not gotten the blue screen of death for years.
I have gotten the black screen of annoyance though. :-P

and now I get the all programs shut down and go to the start up screen, and think about it thingy.

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I read it too!!!
Didn't fully understand it...but I read it...forgot most of it
Trying to figure out how to "test drive" Linux on my PC w/out flipping-it- up
A rocket scientist I ain't

Man you are one funny dude, love to read your stuff.
I'd give you rep if I could for this.

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C1ay
Just burn a LiveCD like Knoppix or Ubuntu. Boot from the CD and test drive Linux. Reboot to get back to Windoze.

Good idea,

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alexander
you dualboot, resize the windows partition (in case of ubuntu during the ubuntu install), install Linux and set up the box to ask you if you want to boot to windows or Linux (in case of ubuntu, once again, its a part of the installer, and is automagificated).

OK once I start the upload I wont be able to ask (only one PC at house) so is this a check the box or something else?

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I just figured out today that I could change how this site displays on my pc....Nightshift

how did you do that, I know they were working on it but never heard any more about it.

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Actually I downloaded a "live CD"
and an "installation CD"
The "live" to try it.
The install so I could tinker with it as an "actual" O.S. on my beater.

I'm glad you said "and installation CD" I thought all that was on the live CD.

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It's one thing to boot up the live CD and go oooo ahhhhhh nifty!
It's quite another to actually install it add accessory programs* and actually use it as I presently use my XP o.s.

In other words a real world comparison of my present o.s. and a possibly better one without a learning curve system crash on my good computer! (OH SH**!!!!!!!!!! Tell me I didn't just delete that!!!!! F###! Where's my backups?!?!?!?!?!?!!)

I can hear that,
I hope I don't F**k up trying this!!!

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freeztar, Ubuntu cds are live cds with the installation option (aka installer script and some packages)

Oh and yes you can read and most likely write to your windows partitions from linux.... It may not be automated in Ubuntu, but it's not hard to do

(# indicates a command for you to run)
Pop open a terminal

OK I printed all of this so once I start I have something to go on,

Now I'm curently running Windows XP Home Edition 2002, (on a Laptop)
with some Issues, IE: shuts down when I click on a link or when ever as in shut down twice just typing this response.

have 27.9 GB TTL with 8.9 GB free, running the FAT 32, NTFS

Question (1): will Linux run PC/online games, and if I like Linux and want to trash windows will I have any trouble.

Question (2): is there anything I should know before or after I install Linux

From what I've read Linux should run the rest of my programs as far as Word, E-Mail, IM, and Internet but do you know if it will run AutoCad and other Survey/Eng. programs?

Well I'm going to download the Linux and make a CD copy of it,
I'll wait for your input before I proceed.

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DougF said:

1.I got scared when I want to Windows 95.

2.Man you are one funny dude, love to read your stuff.
I'd give you rep if I could for this.

3.how did you do that, I know they were working on it but never heard any more about it.

4.Now I'm curently running Windows XP Home Edition 2002, (on a Laptop)
with some Issues, IE: shuts down when I click on a link or when ever as in shut down twice just typing this response.

5.have 27.9 GB TTL with 8.9 GB free, running the FAT 32, NTFS

1. I miss 3.1.

2. Just think...by the time a post makes it from my head to your screen it's been rethought, edited, thought about some more, re-edited, completely forgotten, scrapped rethought some more, re-edited and then either posted or run through the loop a few more times!

3.I really wish I knew:hihi: I haven't a clue....the first attempt at downloading a "livecd" yielded an OEM Installl disk the 10th or so try yielded a "Livecd" BEWARE the Mirrors!!!!! unless you speak geek.

4. check your cooling. My pc did that crap and all it needed (discovered after hours of *&*^*&%$#@ around) was a thorough cleaning of its cooling system.

5. Uuummmmmmmmmmmmmm..................yeah..........suuuuuuuuuuurrrrre.......
Ooooooooo.kaay...........yah.........what was the question?!?...............Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh......yeah.....what the *&@# is a TTL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[DougF]

A friend just told me about Linux mint at site below he said that this is the same program that you pointed me to but has all the bells and whistles that I would want, have you heard of this site? is he right?

Index of /mirrors/linux/linuxmint/releases

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1. I miss 3.1.

Me also!

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2. Just think...by the time a post makes it from my head to your screen it's been rethought, edited, thought about some more, re-edited, completely forgotten, scrapped rethought some more, re-edited and then either posted or run through the loop a few more times!

day-sa-vu

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3.I really wish I knew I haven't a clue....the first attempt at downloading a "livecd" yielded an OEM Installl disk the 10th or so try yielded a "Livecd" BEWARE the Mirrors!!!!! unless you speak geek.

I'll have to do some digging, I didn't think it was running yet.

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4. check your cooling. My pc did that crap and all it needed (discovered after hours of *&*^*&%$#@ around) was a thorough cleaning of its cooling system.

Been there done that. (first thought) All Clear,
and it shuts down to the start up screen and I can restart my Internet and such ASAP just like i just started for the first time till the next time.

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5. Uuummmmmmmmmmmmmm..................yeah..........s uuuuuuuuuuurrrrre.......
Ooooooooo.kaay...........yah.........what was the question?!?...............Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh.. ....yeah.....what the *&@# is a TTL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

This would be Geek stuff.

[freeztar]

I don't know how I missed this post...

alexander said:

freeztar, Ubuntu cds are live cds with the installation option (aka installer script and some packages)

Yep.
I merely said, "installation not necessary".

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Oh and yes you can read and most likely write to your windows partitions from linux.... It may not be automated in Ubuntu, but it's not hard to do

Yep, NTFS translations seem solid, but I haven't used it enough to see a flaw.

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(# indicates a command for you to run)
Pop open a terminal

# su
now you are running as root (if asks for password, it should be empty, if it does not do anything, then you might be running as root, to check)
...
Pay attention if you have any errors, remember that reading is essential, so use the skill

Thank you Alex!

[freeztar]

A bit more on-topic:

I haven't used Vista since I set up my linux/xp partitions and now it seems my password has slipped through the crevices of my long-term memory holding cells. A search party has turned up nothing.

I tried ophcrack with no luck.

Any other suggestions? Surely I can reset or change something while running in my xp or linux partition?

No loss to reinstall, except for time spent and an unsettling feeling of un-geekiness.