[Qfwfq]

Modest, I am a wop. I know enough about use of the word in North America to know that, since I'm a wop, there's no great problem with me using the word. I repeat, I'm sorry if you took offence for me using it to poke fun at what you said, especially if you're not even Italian.

I know that Italo-Americans might be touchy when so called by other Americans. I wasn't touchy when a guy in Ontario, who at first didn't believe I lived in Italy, grinned and said "This guy's a wop!" when I said a few words in Italian. He had no jeering intent and I just laughed at his reaction. I know of Italo-Americans often using it as a playful putdown with each other.

If you can't follow my reasoning, whether about this or about the actual topic, then there's no use arguing over who is being sillier than who.

[Turtle]

Qfwfq, on 30 March 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Modest, I am a wop. I know enough about use of the word in North America to know that, since I'm a wop, there's no great problem with me using the word. I repeat, I'm sorry if you took offence for me using it to poke fun at what you said, especially if you're not even Italian.

I know that Italo-Americans might be touchy when so called by other Americans. I wasn't touchy when a guy in Ontario, who at first didn't believe I lived in Italy, grinned and said "This guy's a wop!" when I said a few words in Italian. He had no jeering intent and I just laughed at his reaction. I know of Italo-Americans often using it as a playful putdown with each other.

If you can't follow my reasoning, whether about this or about the actual topic, then there's no use arguing over who is being sillier than who.

why do you persist in repeating the term over & over when you have been told that it is offensive? even if it were only modest who is offended, and it is not, you appear to be going out of your way to offend him...repeatedly. your behavior is insensitive, rude, unbecoming a member let alone an admin, and it strikes me as clearly harassment and against the forum rules. normally i would report your post(s), but as that report is referred to you it seems unlikely to have the desired effect. please stop.

[modest]

Qfwfq, on 30 March 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

I'm sorry if you took offence for me using it to poke fun at what you said, especially if you're not even Italian

You are more sorry if my family doesn't come from Italian immigrants???

In my last post I said that you were oblivious of the problem—that you didn't get it. Perhaps I need to consider how true that is.

It may be that in your culture it is acceptable to direct a pejorative racial slur at someone as long as they are indeed that race, but if you direct a racial slur at someone who isn't that race, then you've insulted them and have something to be sorry about. That could explain your comment, but whatever the case—I feel like you aren't going to understand the problem no matter how much I explain, so I'm going to stop.

I actually feel like the more I explain your insensitivity the more you delight in being insensitive... reminiscent of my detailed explanation of how my use of grammar was correct and your criticism of it mistaken, followed by your reply asking me if I was still whining about grammar and purposefully misusing grammar throughout your post as if to mock me.

If your intention with those tactics is to get me to let that issue alone I can tell you it will not work.

Qfwfq, on 30 March 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

...using it to poke fun at what you said...

From my perspective, poking fun and being obnoxiously obstinate is all you've done.

I've tried, repeatedly, to explain logically my assertion — giving multiple published sources backing it up. While I've done that I've been surprised to be the subject of ridicule and derision with pejorative racial comments no less—to have my assertion scoffed at and dismissed without logic or argument to oppose it—and to have my effort at backing up my assertion mocked.

In short, I've supported what I said while you've filled up pages of vacuous abraded posts sneering at it, but this isn't twitter or reddit. I believe there needs to be at least a limit of decency. So...

Qfwfq, on 29 March 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

I haven't had time yet, but tomorrow I look in your links and I check if they prove you right

Please review my last post. Notice that the first person plural future subjunctive "If we continue to emit..." has the same form as the first person plural present indicative "If we continue to emit...". This should explain why I said "the future tense has the same form as the present tense." in regards to that sentence.

When you realize this is true and not something to be mocked and slandered I hope (frankly, I expect) you admit your error, discontinue the vacuous abraded posts, and retract your objection regarding 'my antecedent' that started this mess.

~modest

[Qfwfq]

So I can't even call myself what I choose? Turtle, I was not told about the word here, I was told about it as a child in North America and it was mostly a non serious synonym of Italian that others should use some care with. The only time I remember when another child might have perhaps been malicious I simply did not give a damn (as my family had taught me).

Anybody who has taken any issue with names has every right to call me a polentone (which I am) or a terrone (which I'm not), at their own choice. Sticks and stones...

modest, on 30 March 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

You are more sorry if my family doesn't come from Italian immigrants???

Sorry for the lack of clarity. What I had in mind was that "I would not have expected such a big deal, especially if..." It just didn't come out complete.

[modest]

Qfwfq, on 29 March 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

...implying you to be Italian because of your erroneous claim... I haven't had time yet, but tomorrow I look in your links and I check if they prove you right...

"the future tense has the same form as the present tense" regarding the sentence "if we continue to emit more carbon than earth can sequester, the price will become prohibitive"

You've written posts insulting me for making that counterpoint and others dismissively mocking me for supporting it, but you have yet to make one valid point of argument regarding it. The site rules and I find this unacceptable. I expect you to respond to the published support I've given backing up my claim or I expect you to try and support your criticism.


Please review post #63.

Please notice that the first person plural future subjunctive "If we continue to emit..." has the same form as the first person plural present indicative "If we continue to emit...". This explains why I asserted "the future tense has the same form as the present tense" regarding this sentence in response to your objection otherwise.

Please acknowledge that criticizing me for making this point and mocking me for trying to support it was done in error.

~modest