[Buffy]

Thunderbird said:

I did not start this thread, and I am only contributing my veiw points not scientific evidence. So what's is the problem?

Oh you're quite welcome to do that, but your post did seem to express surprise at the response.

I now see that you're under the misapprehension that the refutation you encountered above was intended to be a dismissal of all Mayan knowledge, and you're quite clearly justified in making that assumption and scolding Modest for doing so "out of hand," so I apologize.

For interim to our studies shall relate in high-born words the worth of many a knight, from tawny Spain lost in the world's debate,
Buffy

[DougF]

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Thunderbird
Also I find the Mayan calendar fascinating, which, from what I gather is more accurate than ours,

I can see why you said this from the way this is portrayed in this and other articles.

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The Maya calendar in its final form probably dates from about the 1st century B.C. Although highly complex, it was the most accurate known to humans until the introduction of the Gregorian calendar.

Mayan Calendar

[Thunderbird]

DougF said:

I can see why you said this from the way this is portrayed in this and other articles.


Mayan Calendar

Looks like I gathered information From the wrong web source, but I am still fascinated by the possibility of knowledge that may have been lost forever, or still may be rediscovered.

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The Mayan Calendar
History of Mathematics

http://http://www.ma...dars/mayan.html


It has been suggested that certain other dates, called determinants, indicate with a remarkable degree of accuracy how far the 365-day year had diverged from the solar year since the beginning of the Long Count, but this hypothesis is questioned by some scholars. The identification of certain architectural assemblages as observatories of solstices and equinoxes is equally difficult to substantiate. So far, it has not been demonstrated how the Maya reckoned the seasons of their agricultural cycle or whether they observed the tropical or the sidereal year.
Unfortunately, the Spanish conquest marked the end of the Mayan civilization. Greed and misery from the Conquistadors brought them down. The whole community was blanked-out over night leaving no trace. Now we will never be able to learn with precision all the advance knowledge the Mayan had.

[freeztar]

You might be interested in this TB. It's a presentation I made for my Astronomy and Cosmology course.

http://freeztar.20m.com/astro.html

freeztar said:

Both the Venus cycle recorded by the Mayans and the Tzolkin calendar are more evenly divisible by the moon's synodic period than the modern Gregorian calendar we use. It was interesting to see that the closest whole number match, indicating preciseness, is eight solar years and five Venus cycles, divided by the moon's synodic period. This is important to pay attention to because it could let us see into the minds of the ancient Maya calendar makers. The Maya probably created such an elaborate calendar to try to find order in the cosmos. In mathematical terms, this would mean finding the correlation between cycles of multiple heavenly bodies (i.e. 5 Venus years = 8 solar years = 99 moon cycles). For all practical purposes, 98.9 would be close enough to 99 for the Maya. Is this evidence of an intricate association between observed cycles of the three brightest heavenly bodies? It could just be math games. Although, if one believes the myth of the Mayan kings' divine rights through the heavens, the Venus/Moon connection becomes interesting. A Mayan astronomer might have recognized that the moon is in just about the same phase at each Venus cycle renewal. This predicted knowledge could have made the king look bound to the sky in the eyes of observing commoners. Or perhaps it was a need to find a pattern in nature, a way to find order. For after all, order is the base goal of any calendar.

[BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY]

For anyone interested in what's going on with this 2012 obsessions and theories and conspiracy theories, check out:

http://hypography.co...out-2012-a.html

A short summary:


1. Numbers affect people.
2. 9/11 combos appear in so many dates of destruction and in more than one calender, and in many emergency phone numbers.
3. After 2012 you get much less such combos in the dates
4. All the 2012 obsession can be attributed to it.
5. No natural disasters are involved, numbers affect people, not nature.
6. in 2000-2012, dates are especially "charming", causing so much fuss about date and numbers. Since 2013, dates will be less charming (less repetitions) and less dangerous (less 9/11 combos), resulting in a less-effect-of-time-on-us.
7. Fears about the end of the world, are actually fears about the end of the year. Christ's birthday is in the end of the year, and he will come at the end of the world. Jewish formal Judgment-day, is the Hebrew-New-Year (after the year-calender is over), and also when the Mayan calender is over, like when a year-calender is over, some people are anxious about it.
8. All dates-number obsessions, however artificial, have a natural source - counting with 10 fingers.


2012:
I don't believe there's anymore much to it than numbers affecting people, NOT NATURE.
Calenders are not designed in any way that can predict natural disasters. They are constructed in a way that corresponds to the natural cycle of nature and mankind to some extant with seasons and weekends and other mainly sun & moon related cycles.
They are not constructed in a way that can predict, or cause, a natural disaster, but in a way that can make some people feel some things, sometimes.

[hiddenlodge]

assuming that the "wise ones" for example the lightwokers who are currently living into an illusion are right about what is going to happen on that year "shift in consciousness" you will be doomed for another millennium how so ?
scientifically speaking the alignment which is taking place is the opposite of the apple which felt from that tree, Newton why did you pick it up ? once he ate it wasn't it enough you had to be curious in fulfilling the motivation of mankind. First clean up your mess and be patient for don't take nirvana for granted once you get in you won't get out unless..., this is the blackhole's theory
2012 is just a year like any other years nothing special nothing worse

? who am I to speak in his name
ma vengence est fraichement sortie du congelateur

[daniel123]

Okay , this is the most convincing one ive found. 2012 a meteorite called nibiru should hit earth with a 0.000025 chance or something causing earth to reverse its cycle , causing hurricanes , tidal waves , floods , south and north pole would melt , those would also cause wars,poverty so the outcome would be total chaos and causing the end of the world.

[Alpine]

daniel123, on 11 June 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

Okay , this is the most convincing one ive found. 2012 a meteorite called nibiru should hit earth with a 0.000025 chance or something causing earth to reverse its cycle , causing hurricanes , tidal waves , floods , south and north pole would melt , those would also cause wars,poverty so the outcome would be total chaos and causing the end of the world.

How exactly would that cause war? Besides, if the poles melt then most of the coastal cities would be like Atlantis.

[daniel123]

well i have answer for the war? you'r stupid if you think that it wouldn't cause war.... see if those things would happen there would be more arguement about money , cover and it would be a crisis what would end up to war adding other countries maybe in it? see if those would happen do you think everyone would just be like "oh well, that happens our country is out of money. i hope some other country will give us money , even tough the whole world is in a great chaos" .. okay.

[CraigD]

Welcome to hypography, Daniel

Please read [post=308037]this post[/url] on the subject of Nibiru, and hypography’s rule about backing up claims.

Also, don't post things like

daniel123, on 11 June 2011 - 07:39 AM, said:

you'r stupid if you think ...

. This breaks the rules about spelling correctly, and more importantly, about being polite.

[ashish bhatnagar]

According to maya sabhyata world ended on 21st December 2012. Kindly tell me that Do you believe in 2012. How are you preparing yourself for 2012

[fahrquad]

ashish bhatnagar, on 07 October 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

According to maya sabhyata world ended on 21st December 2012. Kindly tell me that Do you believe in 2012. How are you preparing yourself for 2012

My wife and I are planning on going back to Mexico for next Christmas/New Years, and will be at Chichen Itza on December 21, 2012 for a front row seat to the end of the world. I will let you know how it went when we return in January 2013. Certain people who stand to profit from peddling the idiotic rumor are the ones spreading the fear-mongering. The current Mayan calender cycle ends December 21, 2012, nothing more. Like any other calender, when the year ends, you flip the page and start a new year. The current bit of stupidity blends the Sumerian story of a dark destroyer named Nibiru with the Mayan cycle of rebirth and renewal. I am sure the Mayans were well versed in Sumerian lore. If a massive body such as the alleged Nibiru existed, it would have been detected long ago by it perturbation of the orbits of all the objects in the solar system from past incursions. It is allegedly on a 26,000 year cycle and the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Our orbit is slightly elliptical due to the impact of a Mars sized body with the early Earth that resulted in the formation of our moon. Other than the axis of Uranus being tilted toward its orbital plane from some other impact, all the other planets, dwarf planets, Kuiper belt objects, and asteroids are quite regular.

[fahrquad]

P.S. Everyone knows the world will not end until I retire on December 30, 2022. That would be a fitting end to my 44 years of enslavement, being wiped out just as I gain my freedom. You have 11 years, 2 months, and 23 days to prepare. Consider yourself warned.

[paigetheoracle]

Fear of the future, leads to speculation about it as fear of death does to the afterlife.

In 2013, we'll know if there is anything in any of it.