[Hans Bjelke]

dduckwessel, on 03 February 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Would it be fair to say Hans (and I hope you don't mind me bringing it up) that everything you learned about a mythical being was tainted by your father's hypocrisy?



This makes far more sense as wars, suffering, disease clearly shows a diabolical contrivance not a "benevolent" creator.

In reply to Explaining:
A. There are astrophysicists and cosmologists who find difficulty with any theology or belief in god.
B. Belief in evil as an unethical act or concept is not a confirmation that one believes in the devil.
C. Believing that misguided religiosity can be a form of diabolical contrivance does not also confirm that one believes in the devil.
D. Extreme fear of revealing a lack of faith in god or a disbelief in god to ones family, piers, or support group might lead one to fool oneself into believing or claiming otherwise.
E. I am not motivated by faith in the belief in intelligent extraterrestrial life, rather I am motivated by a lack of arrogance, which assures me that such life would exist if not by irrefutable mathematical probability, but also such life must exist if only to counter the often but not always monumental ignorance and sometimes but not always abhorrently brutal behavior attributable to our species.
F. In regards to social revolutionaries and other leaders; who would you chose to lead in a world where no leader with any philosophy is with out the defective human frailties, misguided crusaderist motivations, and the egotistically warped quirks of all those who have led in every movement in history (for example; the illicit love affairs of Newt Gingrich, JFK, and Martin Luther King Jr. to name but a few).
G. I will not argue further the opinions put forth in my post. My motivation is not convince anyone to change their minds, I only ask that we examine and question our world view. My views are formed from the net result of my experience, ability, and education. I would not expect any person to have the exact same views.

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Hans Bjelke, on 06 February 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

In reply to Explaining:
A. There are astrophysicists and cosmologists who find difficulty with any theology or belief in god.
B. Belief in evil as an unethical act or concept is not a confirmation that one believes in the devil.
C. Believing that misguided religiosity can be a form of diabolical contrivance does not also confirm that one believes in the devil.
D. Extreme fear of revealing a lack of faith in god or a disbelief in god to ones family, piers, or support group might lead one to fool oneself into believing or claiming otherwise.
E. I am not motivated by faith in the belief in intelligent extraterrestrial life, rather I am motivated by a lack of arrogance, which assures me that such life would exist if not by irrefutable mathematical probability, but also such life must exist if only to counter the often but not always monumental ignorance and sometimes but not always abhorrently brutal behavior attributable to our species.
F. In regards to social revolutionaries and other leaders; who would you chose to lead in a world where no leader with any philosophy is with out the defective human frailties, misguided crusaderist motivations, and the egotistically warped quirks of all those who have led in every movement in history (for example; the illicit love affairs of Newt Gingrich, JFK, and Martin Luther King Jr. to name but a few).
G. I will not argue further the opinions put forth in my post. My motivation is not convince anyone to change their minds, I only ask that we examine and question our world view. My views are formed from the net result of my experience, ability, and education. I would not expect any person to have the exact same views.

Hi Hans!

When did you decide to choose your own way in life?

You seem young.

Still worried about the effects on your dear ones?

Wounds will heal.

Our only contact with Reality is the Mental Map,

in our heads.

Its rather like a medieval map of the Earth (= the World?)

Filled with Dragons,

And Monsters!

Theres a lot of cleaning up to do, so go ahead!

And tell us all about it.