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Posted 04 July 2005 - 08:15 AM

Gentlemen and ladies

I'm new to this site and intrigued, I have some rather bombastic animations of tectonic movement that might just blow yoour minds, or not, but I gaurantee you'll be entertained.

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 08:37 AM

NAdams said:

Gentlemen and ladies

I'm new to this site and intrigued, I have some rather bombastic animations of tectonic movement that might just blow yoour minds, or not, but I gaurantee you'll be entertained.

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

-Neal Adams

that is seriously very interesting. this is similar to how we thought the earth was flat and it turned out to be round. now we're realizing the earth may be growing in size. i think it's totally possible. stars are known to change in size, why not planets too.
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 01:44 PM

I have been told that only a few Geologists in Australia and a couple of flakes buy this concept, but I have found professors, geologists, a paleontologist or two who partially or wholly agree with this concept. The demos at http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html are the very best I can produce at my facility but some folks are stunned by the simplicity and the obvious fact that the continents fit perfectly. Not sorta, but perfectly. No cheating in anyway, as disciplined as I could do it. More over, I followed the undersea maps that act like a road map to the continent’s original positions.

The implications of this are a bit epic if it is true.

Suns, small note, our Sun is throwing off a hundred million tons of ions, electrons, and hydrogen atoms per second into our solar system, math that back five billion years. I think there is a new science out there, but that’s just me.

How do other folks feel about this, I keep wondering?

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 02:07 PM

___Interesting stuff indeed. Do you propose Earth has grown with the addition of space debris, or that the planet is hollow? :) :D
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 02:32 PM

NAdams said:

I have been told that only a few Geologists in Australia and a couple of flakes buy this concept, but I have found professors, geologists, a paleontologist or two who partially or wholly agree with this concept. The demos at http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html are the very best I can produce at my facility but some folks are stunned by the simplicity and the obvious fact that the continents fit perfectly. Not sorta, but perfectly. No cheating in anyway, as disciplined as I could do it. More over, I followed the undersea maps that act like a road map to the continent’s original positions.

The implications of this are a bit epic if it is true.

Suns, small note, our Sun is throwing off a hundred million tons of ions, electrons, and hydrogen atoms per second into our solar system, math that back five billion years. I think there is a new science out there, but that’s just me.

How do other folks feel about this, I keep wondering?

-Neal Adams



It could easily be that the seperation in the areas you observe are balanced by a coming together elsewhere. That would fit well with plate tectonics in general.
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 02:48 PM

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___Interesting stuff indeed. Do you propose Earth has grown with the addition of space debris, or that the planet is hollow? :) :D


Five to seven billion years ago, Earth may have begun with space debris (debris? Big area, not now,) but in time growth became crystalline (all silicate is crystalline) pushing out like a geode but in time, matter must have been created inside the planet as it is apparently on the Sun and the Earth , like all other planets and reasonable sized moons (Gaynemede for example) produced matter on the inside which pushes outward, because silicates are straight sided and can’t push in, so must push outward again like a geode.

Of course, this is physics, not geology, but of course, a new view of the Universe cannot depend on one discipline, say geology. It must include all sciences.

The question we must ask is did all the matter in the Universe always exist, same amount then, now, and in the future, or was there none, then some was made, then more and more until we have the Universe we have now.

If your answer is the second, there is one more question to consider, who turned off the off switch?

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html for demos

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:19 PM

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___Interesting stuff indeed. Do you propose Earth has grown with the addition of space debris, or that the planet is hollow? :) :D

why can't it just be that whatever is going on in the earth's core changes the size of the entire planet? maybe what's going on in the core impacts the earth's gravity and is different now than millions of years ago.

our own sun is going to get bigger (red giant) before it gets smaller.

to get an idea of what i'm saying, say the earth's core has reactions like the sun. now say these reactions go into a red giant phase so the core increases in size and so the outer layers and surface have to expand too.
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:21 PM

Erasmus00 said:

It could easily be that the seperation in the areas you observe are balanced by a coming together elsewhere. That would fit well with plate tectonics in general.
-Will

Well, no Will. Continents are part of the oceanic plates like a tree stump is buried in the land, can’t move.

You’re looking for subduction for your answer. Subduction is a theory existing for forty years that has no verifiable proof of being correct. Even Geologists have buried this theory by discovering most of the asthenosphere is solid and only .04 percent is molten. It’s hard to subduct into a solid and even if it was molten, Archimedes would have something to say about displacing something heavy with something lighter.

Beyond all that, Will, perhaps we can join the ancient Greeks and say we have the most unique planet in the universe, one half spreads it’s plates while the other half brings them together.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:42 PM

If not subduction, what drives the volcanic activity along plate boundaries? If not orogeny, the result of subduction, what creates the mountain ranges along plate boundaries?
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:45 PM

NAdams,

i don't know exactly what's causing things to expand, but i definitely think you're on to something. i can't believe i haven't heard of this until today.

btw, your videos and commentary are very good, imo. i watched all 3.
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:48 PM

C1ay said:

If not subduction, what drives the volcanic activity along plate boundaries? If not orogeny, the result of subduction, what creates the mountain ranges along plate boundaries?

he has another video about mountains:
http://www.continuit.../mountains.html
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:49 PM

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why can't it just be that whatever is going on in the earth's core changes the size of the entire planet? maybe what's going on in the core impacts the earth's gravity and is different now than millions of years ago.

our own sun is going to get bigger (red giant) before it gets smaller.

to get an idea of what i'm saying, say the earth's core has reactions like the sun. now say these reactions go into a red giant phase so the core increases in size and so the outer layers and surface have to expand too.


ˆ guess it can, but if you're saying its blowing up like a balloon I think it would probably collapse. It's not a fluid or a stretching silicate. The mantle is quite solid as proved conclusively by seisemic wave tests as S waves can exit only a solid.

I don't think what is going on is mysterious and clearly there is more mass. Sauropods wieghing five times elephants which are our largest land mammal and they can cope, not run, and their shoulder blades protect their heads from snapping off. Paleantology and other sciences indicate the gravity has increased profoundly.

In fact, the easy answer is that the Sun as you may be saying like the whole universe is growing by increasing matter at its coore. Surely nothing but nothing is getting smaller.

Smaller thought:
This does mean no Big Bang
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:52 PM

NAdams,

what do you think the grand canyon in arizona is? do you think it is the result of the earth expanding?

thanks.
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:59 PM

NAdams said:

I don't think what is going on is mysterious and clearly there is more mass. Sauropods wieghing five times elephants which are our largest land mammal and they can cope, not run, and their shoulder blades protect their heads from snapping off. Paleantology and other sciences indicate the gravity has increased profoundly.

i do think the earth may have once had less gravity than it does now. i've wondered why the dinosaurs were so tall and today animals generally aren't so large. i think the earth having less gravity back when the dinosaurs were around could explain their size. i bet if humans evolved on the moon they'd be taller than on the earth.

anyway, what would make the earth have more gravity now than when the dinosaurs were around? i guess the earth must have more mass now, but how???
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 04:06 PM

NAdams said:

Smaller thought:
This does mean no Big Bang

would you "expand" on this please? :)

thanks
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