[Turtle]

___I agree. This book is a literary work worthy of reading. Then re-reading critically, then double/triple checking in order to better decide on which shelf it resides.
___I note one of the writers' contrivences comes into play in regard to numbers. Sometimes they right numerals "10,000,000" planetary orbs or such, & other times they write it out longhnad "seven hundred twenty thousand" such & such cherubic administrators.
___Someone opened the door to Germany, & indeed the Urantia book smacks of teutonic knights' lore & secret societies migrating from continental europe to the US since the mid to late 1800's. Before you say secret societies is bunk, try & get a tour of the tomb at yale or into bohemia grove in california.
___I recommend everyone read it. Very stimulating & the mystery of its authors unsolved.

[ab-de]

I refuse to read that crap. j/k.

I really don't think they give public tours to the good ole boys club although I hear trespassing is still in vogue.

[Helper]

[___I recommend everyone read it. Very stimulating & the mystery of its authors unsolved.[/QUOTE]
What a wonderful suggestion. If education is the business of life, then as we become aware, then try to understand, and then take action in our lives, we can appreciate our lives in doing the best that we can.

[Turtle]

___I once wrote a paper justifying agriculture as an inspired theme in Anna Karenana, & similarly The Urantia book includes such a section on woodworking. The last third of the book covers the life & times of Jesus & therin expounds that his carpentry lay in boatbuilding. At the time I first read it, I was mastering carpentry as a journeyman so I found it interesting. The claim is made that improved boat designs made by Jesus continue to this day in the region.
___

[Turtle]

Turtle said:

___I note one of the writers' contrivences comes into play in regard to numbers. Sometimes they right numerals "10,000,000" planetary orbs or such, & other times they write it out longhnad "seven hundred twenty thousand" such & such cherubic administrators.

___A point of error in what I said above; the number written in long-hand is "one thousand seven hundred twenty eight". Why write it out long? Well, I beleive it is an esoteric reference for members only; a reference to base twelve math. Writing "one thousand seven hundred twenty eight" in base twelve numerals looks like this - 1,000 -. Someone recently told me Tolkien has base twelve references in the Lord of the Rings series; anyone else hear that?
___I haven't heard anyone say yet, but the descriptions of human development, while they invoke gods & angels as the movers, present a view we now call puncuated equilibrium. The book is forward thinking in many regards, as good science fiction always is.

[Turtle]

___Here's another tasty morsel from the book (I don't have the section reference). Calcium is the most abundant element in the Universe.

[Turtle]

___What, no ardent defenders of this mammoth tome? I saw some discussion elsewhere on the SciFi genre, & I again suggest this book for those of you that enjoy a good Science Fiction read. Mind you it's over 3,000 pages & tortuous prose , but worth it as a literary adventure

[Turtle]

___As I maintain the Urantia is a hoax, I wish to put it in context with other hoaxes of the same ilk as the Bible, Koran, Book of Morman, Bhagavad Gita, Egyptian Book of the Dead, etc. ad nauseum.
___The reason Urantia has failed to produce a religion -inspite of allying itself to Jesus - is that technology has advanced to a level such that previously 'secret' knowledge is commonly available to the masses. More & more people exposed to TV seeing the unbelievable in a believable context with the full knowledge it is smoke & mirrors & parlor magic.
___The 'secret' knowledge is knowing how to do the tricks. Saw a lady in half; nail a guy to a cross. Perform the miracle; practice & use accomplices. Get your accomplices by any clever means & then travel around with them living off the charity of trusting people. Tell the audience 'awe shucks; don't mind what I say I'm just a simple person or tell em' pay close attention or else. Either way, you have an audience.
___If you want a great Intelligent Design story, read the Urantia where it's all quantified.

Have a Great Day!

[Jay-qu]

Turtle said:

___As I maintain the Urantia is a hoax, I wish to put it in context with other hoaxes of the same ilk as the Bible, Koran, Book of Morman, Bhagavad Gita, Egyptian Book of the Dead, etc. ad nauseum.
Have a Great Day!

So do you think that if the bible was not created when we were somewhat more 'primitive' such us another few thousand years, that it would have just been discarded as rubbish like Urantia?

And yes I will have a great day, thanks You have a great day to friend

[Turtle]

Jay-qu said:

So do you think that if the bible was not created when we were somewhat more 'primitive' such us another few thousand years, that it would have just been discarded as rubbish like Urantia?

And yes I will have a great day, thanks You have a great day to friend

___Well...not exactly. The Bible is a compendium, so if the magician Jesus never came to town, then there wouldn't be any Jesus stories in the Bible. Of course not everyone discards Urantia as rubbish; in that case my discussion here is moot.

[Jay-qu]

ok well what I was going to add which I will now is that if Jesus came along now do you think most people would think he is a fraud? of course there are going to be the odd beleiver in a group but Im talking major majority of the world so that he could make same impact

[Turtle]

Jay-qu said:

ok well what I was going to add which I will now is that if Jesus came along now do you think most people would think he is a fraud? of course there are going to be the odd beleiver in a group but Im talking major majority of the world so that he could make same impact

Yes correct. Pull back the curtain & see the Wizard for what it is. Follow the dog.

[Jay-qu]

dont you mean follow the white rabbit

[Turtle]

Jay-qu said:

dont you mean follow the white rabbit

I was thinking of Toto in Oz, but the White Rabbit serves the same purpose. Very insightful JQ. Specially in view of Mr. Dodgsons mathematical bent.
___Yes...well replied Q; curiouser & curiouser

[Racoon]

The Urantia Book, I think, comes from Chicago.
It's a thousand pages of Gobbledy Gook.
Somebody obviously had way too much time on their hands:(
Of course, The Enlightened Turtle found the Error that disproves the whole damn thing. They DIDN'T understand PLATE TECHTONICS, (spelling)
Who could have hoaxed this??? I think the more important question WHY would somebody hoax this???
There are some seriously deranged people hiding in the woodworks!