[Turtle]

Majeston said:

Turtle,

so nice to see you back.

Have you considered that Sir Hubert could have hoaxed it?

I hadn't heard of him 'til now. I will consider him as a contributing author of course.

The Last Explorer: said:

Sir Hubert Wilkins became a steadfast supporter of the Urantia Movement, and his cheque for $1000 was the first money to go towards the publication costs of The Urantia Book. According to Dr. Sadler it became "Sir Hubert's personal religious philosophy. He came to see us [in Chicago] every year or two, spending two or three weeks reading, studying and making notes." Wilkins would read for up to ten hours a day then spend long evenings with Dr. Sadler and his wife in "very deliberate discussions of the teachings of the Urantia Papers."1 Asked once by a Urantia devotee how he tested the validity of the book, he responded succinctly: "It's utter consistency with itself."2 3

1. William S. Sadler, letter to Mrs. Nancy Hildick, secretary of Stefansson, 14 August, 1959. History Archive of The Urantia Book Fellowship
2. JC Mills, The Urantia Book: An Evaluation, 1970 see: How do Science and Technology Contribute to Spiritual Growth?
3. The Last Explorer by Simon Nasht (2006), page 278.

Internal consistency is no guarantee of truth in of a system. Alice in Wonderland is internally consitent. Ooooooo!!! I wonder if Sadler communicated with Dodgson before he died?

By earlier testimony on writing analysis, the Urantia papers show at least 7 different authors and ostensibly none matching Sadler's hand. If the book of papers is a symphony, Sadler is the producer and conductor of the show, and one doesn' see the conductor seated with the musicians.

[Majeston]

Turtle said:

If the book of papers is a symphony, Sadler is the producer and conductor of the show, and one doesn' see the conductor seated with the musicians.

Turtle,

No matter what happens with your hoax sleuthing it would probably be good to remember this part of the U book:


160:4.7

But life will become a burden of existence unless you learn how to fail gracefully. There is an art in defeat which noble souls always acquire; you must know how to lose cheerfully; you must be fearless of disappointment. Never hesitate to admit failure. Make no attempt to hide failure under deceptive smiles and beaming optimism. It sounds well always to claim success, but the end results are appalling. Such a technique leads directly to the creation of a world of unreality and to the inevitable crash of ultimate disillusionment.

160:4.8
Success may generate courage and promote confidence, but wisdom comes only from the experiences of adjustment to the results of one's failures. Men who prefer optimistic illusions to reality can never become wise. Only those who face facts and adjust them to ideals can achieve wisdom. Wisdom embraces both the fact and the ideal and therefore saves its devotees from both of those barren extremes of philosophy—the man whose idealism excludes facts and the materialist who is devoid of spiritual outlook. Those timid souls who can only keep up the struggle of life by the aid of continuous false illusions of success are doomed to suffer failure and experience defeat as they ultimately awaken from the dream world of their own imaginations.

160:4.9
And it is in this business of facing failure and adjusting to defeat that the far-reaching vision of religion exerts its supreme influence. Failure is simply an educational episode—a cultural experiment in the acquirement of wisdom—in the experience of the God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the achievement of higher levels of universe reality.


Rodan of Alexandria; The Urantia Book: Paper 160

[Buffy]

Majeston said:

160:4.7

But life will become a burden of existence unless you learn how to fail gracefully. There is an art in defeat which noble souls always acquire; you must know how to lose cheerfully; you must be fearless of disappointment. Never hesitate to admit failure.

Can you explain why you feel that this quote is appropriate for Turtle but not for youself?

What is sauce for the goose may be sauce for the gander but is not necessarily sauce for the chicken, the duck, the turkey or the guinea hen,
Buffy

[Majeston]

buffy,

do u mean those 2 sentences or my whole quote.

[REASON]

Majeston said:

buffy,

do u mean those 2 sentences or my whole quote.

I can answer that.

Yes.

[Majeston]

[Buffy]

Majeston said:

So are you're saying that they apply only to those who do not unquestioningly accept the truth of TUB?

I'm the bear, I'm the bear, with brown fuzzy hair. I'm hiding from the lion, but he doesn't know where,
Buffy

[Majeston]

buffy i've never met anyone who didn't question

[Buffy]

Majeston said:

buffy i've never met anyone who didn't question

Ah, so you have questioned TUB. What about it have you doubted? Have you found anything in it that you have concluded was wrong?

A social ceremony invented by the devil for the gratification of his servants and the plaguing of his enemies,
Buffy

[Racoon]

I thought this whole Urantia nonsense had been put to rest by now.



The book, albeit advanced for its time, had no knowledge of plate techtonics, and subsequently its Earth origin is flawed.

While I can admire the enormous effort put into the book and its deception, as it is well over a 1,000 pages, and reads like a boring Bible..., it is so utterly nonsensical and convoluted, that one must have a disturbing mental illness to believe it.

I sat down and read the first 50 pages and realized that the Urantia is a complete waste of time.

[Majeston]

Buffy said:

Ah, so you have questioned TUB. What about it have you doubted? Have you found anything in it that you have concluded was wrong?

A social ceremony invented by the devil for the gratification of his servants and the plaguing of his enemies,


I'm the bear, I'm the bear, with brown fuzzy hair. I'm hiding from the lion, but he doesn't know where,

Buffy

Hi Buffy,

I actually did find something that might be an error. I'll check into it and get back with you, but, Turtle has been complaining about off topic posts here and a whole slew of posts have been relocated because of it.

What is the deal with the bears and lions and your ceremony invented by the devil?

[Majeston]

Racoon said:

I thought this whole Urantia nonsense had been put to rest by now.



The book, albeit advanced for its time, had no knowledge of plate techtonics, and subsequently its Earth origin is flawed.

While I can admire the enormous effort put into the book and its deception, as it is well over a 1,000 pages, and reads like a boring Bible..., it is so utterly nonsensical and convoluted, that one must have a disturbing mental illness to believe it.

I sat down and read the first 50 pages and realized that the Urantia is a complete waste of time.

It's probably evidence of a hoax simply because the Urantia guys couldn't even spell plate techtonics properly.

[Buffy]

Majeston said:

What is the deal with the bears and lions and your ceremony invented by the devil?

Sometimes, research is necessary in order to attain enlightenment...

A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author,
Buffy

[Majeston]

Buffy said:

Sometimes, research is necessary in order to attain enlightenment...

A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author,
Buffy

'

Yes Buffy, and a bad forum tells us the truth about its administrators.


As I promised you earlier, I believe I did find an error in the Urantia papers, probably the only one.

102:8.4 "Ethics is the eternal social or racial mirror which faithfully reflects the otherwise unobservable progress of internal spiritual and religious developments. Man has always thought of God in the terms of the best he knew, his deepest ideas and highest ideals. Even historic religion has always created its God conceptions out of its highest recognized values. Every intelligent creature gives the name of God to the best and highest thing he knows."

I believe the word "eternal" was a transcription error and should read "external".

[freeztar]

Majeston said:

As I promised you earlier, I believe I did find an error in the Urantia papers, probably the only one.

What about all the other (science) ones that have already been brought up in the other thread?