[Saitia]

Tormod said:

Edit your post or take a one week vacation, Saitia. If you don't, I will ban you. This is not acceptable behaviour.

Is it not? Doesn't it depend on who behaves that way?
For example, this from moderator Infinitenow to me:

Re: Atheism and Faith - 04-24-2006, 11:59 AM

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"I'll just state that you're an ass and I don't care to help you any more."

But it wasn't followed by a post from you, threatening to ban him if he didn't edit it;
it was followed by another moderator— who also took the opportunity to call me an ass:

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"Saitia an ass?!?!?! NO WAY!!!"

— Boerseun, Re: Atheism and Faith - 04-24-2006, 12:10 PM

Immature people with power often exhibit the very behavior they condemn in others; but it appears your moderators do their share of bullying without any repercussions. If you're going to have a fair standard for behavior, it aught to apply across the board. If it doesn't, it makes you hypocrites.

[InfiniteNow]

Here's the link for those of you who wish to put the comments into context:

http://hypography.co...m-faith-19.html

[Tormod]

Saitia said:

Is it not? Doesn't it depend on [B]who behaves that way?

No.

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But it wasn't followed by a post from you, threatening to ban him if he didn't edit it;
it was followed by another moderator— who also took the opportunity to call me an ass:

After reading those posts I'd say you perfectly well placed yourself in a position to be called an ass.

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Immature people with power often exhibit the very behavior they condemn in others; but it appears your moderators do their share of bullying without any repercussions. If you're going to have a fair standard for behavior, it aught to apply across the board. If it doesn't, it makes you hypocrites.

The only hypocrite here is the person who labels the leadership of this board immature while acting like a sour child.

Our rules apply across the board, and were made by the moderators. Our moderators may have been mocking you but the thread in which it happens was the laughing stock of the entire mod team for a while. Sarcasm is okay, arrogance is not.

Take a two week ban for not compying with our rules.

[Turtle]

No good science fiction is great without some schmaltzy schlock. Awwww... To whit:

urantiabook said:

123:1.2 Jesus was about three years and two months old at the time of their return to Nazareth. He had stood all these travels very well and was in excellent health and full of childish glee and excitement at having premises of his own to run about in and to enjoy. But he greatly missed the association of his Alexandrian playmates.

http://www.urantiabo...papers/p123.htm

[stamarama]

Scmaltzyness is in the eye of the beholder.

[Dyothelite]

I will post something better soon but just wanted to make an observation.

I noticed some hostility. I was taught in freshmen critical writing that personal attacks discredit your authority and position. I beleive they are called "ad hominem" arguements.

[Turtle]

Dyothelite said:

I will post something better soon but just wanted to make an observation.

I noticed some hostility. I was taught in freshmen critical writing that personal attacks discredit your authority and position. I beleive they are called "ad hominem" arguements.

Well, as the saying goes, "Stuff happens." I think the de rigueur protocol is to point out fallacious arguments as you encounter them.

Back on topic of the thread, presuming the book is a fraud, who wrote it? Clearly people knowledgeable, which may give some clue, but I'd like to get to the motivation as well.

Thanks for dropping in Dyotheleite and here's the link to the online Urantia Book.
http://www.urantiabook.org/newbook/

[Majeston]

The motivation appears to be enlightenment as well as correction of accumulated errors and misconceptions of historical events of so-called fact and perception.

[Majeston]

BTW what happened to Saitia?
Out of all the replies here he apparently knew this book; It's implications and it's purpose better than everyone else on this board.
Seems to me a bit like jesus being crucified by the Jews and Romans; the ruling powers of the day.
Apparently Saitia didn't believe the book to be a hoax. Is that why he was run off?

[InfiniteNow]

Majeston said:

BTW what happened to Saitia?

Who's Satia? Was he a member here? Oh, I just looked up and remembered... I guess he's out there somewhere.

I know it's hard to figure out why it would happen, but some people do, in fact, leave Hypography by choice. Silly misguided souls...

[Turtle]

Majeston said:

BTW what happened to Saitia?
Out of all the replies here he apparently knew this book; It's implications and it's purpose better than everyone else on this board.
Seems to me a bit like jesus being crucified by the Jews and Romans; the ruling powers of the day.
Apparently Saitia didn't believe the book to be a hoax. Is that why he was run off?

There exists no end of web sites discussing Urantia as if it was a real revelation. The premise of this thread is that it is a hoax and that there likely exists historical accounts that can reveal who hoaxed it. Moreover, the hoaxer(s) by virtue of the negative conotation of 'hoax' have nothing less in mind than obfuscation, not enlightenment, and a true understanding of their intention(s) is likely found in the historical context of the book's authoring.

[Majeston]

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Originally Posted by Turtle

I tell you the Bible is crap, the Vedas are crap, the Quran is crap, LaoTzu's I Ching is crap, the Book of Morman is crap, the Urantia Book is crap, and any & all written works claiming some invisible oober powerful creature dictated it, is...well, crap.








really turtle what is your point? I fail to understand why you even read anything spiritual. Why waste your time? Stick to what you know because nothing you have to say about anything in the spiritual realm could ever have any credibility.







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130:4.4 A one-eyed person can never hope to visualize depth of perspective. Neither can single-eyed material scientists nor single-eyed spiritual mystics and allegorists correctly visualize and adequately comprehend the true depths of universe reality. All true values of creature experience are concealed in depth of recognition.

130:4.5 Mindless causation cannot evolve the refined and complex from the crude and the simple, neither can spiritless experience evolve the divine characters of eternal survival from the material minds of the mortals of time. The one attribute of the universe which so exclusively characterizes the infinite Deity is this unending creative bestowal of personality which can survive in progressive Deity attainment.

130:4.6 Personality is that cosmic endowment, that phase of universal reality, which can coexist with unlimited change and at the same time retain its identity in the very presence of all such changes, and forever afterward.

130:4.7 Life is an adaptation of the original cosmic causation to the demands and possibilities of universe situations, and it comes into being by the action of the Universal Mind and the activation of the spirit spark of the God who is spirit. The meaning of life is its adaptability; the value of life is its progressability -- even to the heights of God-consciousness.

[InfiniteNow]

Majeston said:

Turtle said:

I tell you the Bible is crap, the Vedas are crap, the Quran is crap, LaoTzu's I Ching is crap, the Book of Morman is crap, the Urantia Book is crap, and any & all written works claiming some invisible oober powerful creature dictated it, is...well, crap.

really turtle what is your point?

I'm not a genius or anything, but I'd suggest his point was that all of those spiritual texts and all written works claiming some invisible uberpowerful creature dictated them are crap. Not really sure though...

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I fail to understand why you even read anything spiritual. Why waste your time?

Probably to understand why it has such great authority on the hearts and minds of people in society, and form his own conclusion regarding it's worth and merit. Your comment is like asking why people study history if they feel it was written with bias. The wise mind absorbs information from all contexts and perspectives, and once they have separated the wheat from the chaff come to their own interpretation. In other words, Turtle never struck me as the type who liked his information spoon fed, but this is just my response to your post, not his.

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Stick to what you know because nothing you have to say about anything in the spiritual realm could ever have any credibility.

Actually, the debater who can speak to the opponents position better than they are ideally credible when debunking the opponents stance. You don't try to debunk relativity without knowing a little something about it first.

That's science. Understand what they are saying, and poke holes in it until you arrive at something better. Always amendable...


For the rest of your post, please refrain from preaching or quoting scriptures as support of claims, or you will not be welcome in this community much longer.

[Turtle]

Majeston said:

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Originally Posted by Turtle

I tell you the Bible is crap, the Vedas are crap, the Quran is crap, LaoTzu's I Ching is crap, the Book of Morman is crap, the Urantia Book is crap, and any & all written works claiming some invisible oober powerful creature dictated it, is...well, crap.



really turtle what is your point? I fail to understand why you even read anything spiritual. Why waste your time? Stick to what you know because nothing you have to say about anything in the spiritual realm could ever have any credibility.

And a fine good morning to you Majeston. Ditto InfiniteNow, as he reads & knows me pretty darn well judging from his reply above. Namaste.

Now to the grit. Everything I read -spiritual or not -, I read to find out what people think. On that note, quoting Winston quoting Epictetus, "what concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people think things are."

I heard people thought the Urantia book was a divine revelation full of truth, so I bothered to read it in order to make my own assessment. If there was truth in it and I didn't read it I would miss some truth, and if I didn't read it and it was crap then I would have no basis to challenge it.

Of course this is not far removed from your action in regard to me Majestron. It was no small effort I imagine to go reading my posts in other threads to find my words you started with, so why did you bother? Why because if you hadn't, you would have no basis for saying my words have no credibility.

So it goes. Now back to Urantia and a statement made there that is contrary to scientific understanding, to whit, that the most abundant element in the Universe is calcium. I don't recall the passage number, but if you have read the book you know it is there. Now the last I heard, scientific investigation indicates that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe, so I must conclude Urantia is wrong by a preponderance of the evidence.

Well learnt galimatias is still galimatias. - Beatrix Terranna Goodwon

[Majeston]

You certainly have to do a lot better than that Turtle and I certainly hope you don't put too much money on the science du jour. From my recollection it changes nearly on a daily basis and considering the fact that we barely know what our own planet is made of and have barely scratched the surface of our own miniscule solar system let alone the the so-called "universe" or universe of universes, a wise man just might keep his "conclusions" in check for the time being.
I also seem to recall that the 2097 pages devote perhaps 2 or 3 chapters to the science of the day and the other 2000 is of a spiritual nature incomparable to any other work on the planet Earth.
This of course should not negate what it does reveal in the scientific regard and I am quite intimately aware of much discussion in that arena and also all of the current disagreements with pop science. I'm quite sure you have seen various scientific so-called hard fact as well as theory change in the short amount of time that you have been monitoring it. It certainly has in the time I have watched it.
It has been quite some time since I left the science behind in search of the much more real soul satisfying spiritual realities. of course your mileage may vary and apparently does.