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In Topic: Theory of Beginning of Life and "God"
07 July 2005 - 05:56 PM
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alexander: Jesus might be god by the Christian beleifs, but God is not Jesus, you have said so yourself:
I did? Can you show me? Keep in mind that Jesus was 100% God, He also was not God Himself, and God is ONE. Confusing, isn't it?!?!?! So if you find some apparent contradiction in what I say, you might want to see if it arises from me or from the Bible and religious people.
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holly Spirit; and these three are one
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alexander: notice any mention that God is Jesus?
Yes. The Word and the Father are one. The Word is Jesus (surely you know that much) and the Father is the standard old God (surely you know that much too). And they are ONE.
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it is Jesus who proclaims that he is God:
I and my Father are one
And his followers that helped write part of the Bible. If the Bible is truth, then Jesus is God: they are ONE.
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alexander: or rather has become so after his resurection, God was not borne with Jesus, he was there before the world (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God) so God is the Word, not a human.
"The Word" refers to Jesus. In the beginning there was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.
Note again how Jesus is both God and also with God. Sounds kind of like a contradiction, doesn't it. -
In Topic: Theory of Beginning of Life and "God"
07 July 2005 - 05:47 PM
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adnaan: First of all, if God were the Devil then why would the Devil say keep away from me and worship God.
What? Makes no sense in relation to what I said. Try again.
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TeleMad: No, Jesus IS God. That's the neat thing about the Trinity: Jesus is both (1) the Son of God and (2) God, at the same time!
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adnaan: No. Jesus cannot be the SON, and God at the same time. It would make it seem that he was the Son, and the Father? thats a sick thought. Plainly, They totally seem different, there is no way is convincing anyone that they are One.
I already presented several scriptural quotes that stated Jesus was God, and that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are ONE. There’s one line of support.
Now, how about some logic. If Jesus was not God at all, then he was JUST a man: Christians would be grossly wrong and would need to stop worshipping a mere mortal man instead of God. So Christianity must hold that Jesus was (at least part) God.
Well, …
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“Always remember that Jesus walked this earth as not only being 100% God, but also as 100% man..” (http://www.free-gift...oly_Trinity.htm)
Hmmm, Jesus walked the Earth as 100% God. Not 75%, or 16.25% … nope, 100%.
That’s more outside support, and more logic. Here’s a bit more.
Now, if Jesus was God, and God was also God, and the two were not the same, then God would not be ONE: God would be 2! A clear contradiction of Biblical scripture.
Even if Jesus were only part God (say 50% God and 50% human), and God was God, and the two were not the same, then God would not be ONE: God would be 1.5! Again, a contradiction of Biblical scripture.
Jesus was God. In fact, he was 100% God … and 100% human, at the same time! And yet people can “prove” using scripture and logic that while Jesus was God, He was not the same God as God Himself! Gotta love that Bible! -
In Topic: Apparent contradictions in the Bible
07 July 2005 - 05:17 PM
Don't know if the contradictions surrounding Judas' death have been mentioned yet, but ...
1) How did Judas die? Did he hang himself or did he fall and his intestines pop out?
2) Did Judas return the money or keep it?
3) Who bouth the Field of Blood? Judas or the high priests?
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"(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bouth a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)" (Acts 1:18-19)
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"When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. "I have sinned", he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."
"What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility."
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day." (Matthew 27:3-8) -
In Topic: Theory of Beginning of Life and "God"
07 July 2005 - 05:01 PM
alexander said:
first of all it doesnt hurt me a bit when you say that, second of all you are turning this in a direction that is tangent to the discussion, I was replying to your comment about qf's post that is why I said that his post states not what any religious text does dude...
It was a no-win situation for the religious ... that was my hiddne point. If God could be the devil, then God could be evil and He's not 100% percent righteous (that is, religious people could not say that He was, is, and always will be righteous). If on the other hand God can't become the devil, then he's not omnipotent: His powers are limited.
You should have seen that one coming.
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alexander: I am saying claming that they are worshiping the Jesus, Jesus is Gods son, and although Jesus and God may be one, Jesus is Jesus, and he is of human nature while God is God and his nature is unknown and as far as i see, unstated...
No, Jesus IS God. That's the neat thing about the Trinity: Jesus is both (1) the Son of God and (2) God, at the same time! -
In Topic: Is Bible history fact or fiction?
07 July 2005 - 04:51 PM
eMTee said:
The pillars found on eather side of the underwater land bridge suport that it was surely the Hebrews crossing the sea, and suports why. with one of the pillars having writeing in Hebrew on it.
"This monument is erected by King Solomon, king of Israel, in honor of Yahweh in commemoration of the crossing of the Red Sea."
The Red Sea? Are you SURE about that? Seems I recall reading that "Red Sea" is a mistranslation that has been propagated over the years, the original being properly translated as "Sea of Reeds".
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