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CraigD, on 03 April 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

I'm not surprised. You're not even the only one I've heard saying he actually likes the idea.

The cherry on the cake was how the guy at the end got so moved, saying the last words of his line.

So I can't even call myself what I choose? Turtle, I was not told about the word here, I was told about it as a child in North America and it was mostly a non serious synonym of Italian that others should use some care with. The only time I remember when another child might have perhaps been malicious I simply did not give a damn (as my family had taught me).

Anybody who has taken any issue with names has every right to call me a polentone (which I am) or a terrone (which I'm not), at their own choice. Sticks and stones...

modest, on 30 March 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of clarity. What I had in mind was that "I would not have expected such a big deal, especially if..." It just didn't come out complete.

Modest, I am a wop. I know enough about use of the word in North America to know that, since I'm a wop, there's no great problem with me using the word. I repeat, I'm sorry if you took offence for me using it to poke fun at what you said, especially if you're not even Italian.

I know that Italo-Americans might be touchy when so called by other Americans. I wasn't touchy when a guy in Ontario, who at first didn't believe I lived in Italy, grinned and said "This guy's a wop!" when I said a few words in Italian. He had no jeering intent and I just laughed at his reaction. I know of Italo-Americans often using it as a playful putdown with each other.

If you can't follow my reasoning, whether about this or about the actual topic, then there's no use arguing over who is being sillier than who.

This thread is so full of yada yada, it's impossible to make a point.

Who cares about Wisconsin, anyway? If some person worships crow droppings and collects them whenever they fall within their reach, keeping them all in reliquiaries, then it is that person's religion. Dirac hasn't been the only one who's religion was atheism, but this doesn't make all atheists religious. No doubt some of them are though, and both Dawkins and Hitchens, put together, have plenty of followers. Fortunately, many other atheists simply disbelieve but don't give a damn.

modest, on 30 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

Actually he and I did something more subtle than that. We were talking about religion. You are talking about religions.

Even in the case of Islam, it has so many sects, with so many interpretations and outside of it there are so many misconceptions that it makes no sense to bundle. BTW reading Surah 9 again did not support your contention, it even put some of your points under strain. The only argument by which you might say it instructs anybody to kill you and me is that we can vote for our politicians and hence might be culpable for them, which is a mighty stretch and presumes neglecting the differences between us, now, and the times and places where that was preached. Sane Muslims don't make such a stretch, the ones that do are either insane... or simply doing what Moon described here; they are worse than used car salesmen.

modest, on 30 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

This is in contradiction with what you had recognized even in that same post. So, do you agree with that quote? Is or is not religion the only root of all evil?

bravox, on 29 March 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Exactly, just like M. René Djam Afame.



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