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Greetings Friends I have to admit with some consternation that I really can't tell for certain if this site is a parody to be laughed at or if I should just be shocked if it is for real. You really owe it to yourself to peruse this conundrum. I wonder if we should have a poll! http://shelleytherepublican.com/category/education/technical/linux

Obviously this is a highly speculative area since the one area where there is agreement is that this quantifiable "something" exists. I seem to recall some proposing that DE is not separate but a fundamental property of spacetime itself. This way no separate thing is giving Dark Energy the energy since it is and always has been here just in different form under different conditions. Gravity and Planck Scale energies are likely involved here. Gravity is a hotly contested area right now with the various Quantum Gravity flavors and proponents and only recently has experimentation even begun to extend into Planck Scale, it is probably going to take CERN LHC or FermiLab results to make any real headway that is based in experiment rather than pure mathematics like the String/M-Theory boys. Those guys seem to think that this is merely a cyclical natural process where Big Bangs expand until Universes flatten into membranes, ultimately striking other membranes, creating newer Big Bangs, wash, rinse and repeat. That's too speculative for me but then my Math skills fall short of M-Theory. If you'd enjoy some essays on such matters here are three arranged from light to heavy. Toward Quantum Gravity? Discrete Space, Dark Energy And the Real Line : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR planck and the heavier but more to the point Dark Energy and the Preposterous Universe - S.M. Carroll It's way too soon for deep conclusions but it surely is fascinating to ponder! It should be stimulating to realize that a scientist paralleled eight PS-3 gaming consoles at a cost of around $300 US each creating a supercomputer capable of calculating gravity waves around Black Holes. Just five years ago that level of computing power would have cost in excess of $25,000.00. Such ability to crunch such massive amounts of data at such a low cost is an absolute breakthrough, a quantum leap, if you will in the ability to resolve some of these questions. What a great time to be alive!

I can hardly believe we are reduced to arguing semantics on a Science Forum, but OK. 1a obviously doesn't apply and is more an example of usage than a definition and has no effect either + or - 1b applies but only has relevance introducing the dynamic qualifier of time as a factor, in that what was ultimate yesterday may be altered or improved upon later 1c doesn;t apply since it already exists, but doesn't rule out 1d Bingo! Unless you know of another compilation of such tools readily available, "of it's kind", then it seems it does fit the definition of "Ultimate". That you or anyone else would add to it is irrelevant, at the very least until someone does and makes that available. Of course that assumes you or anyone else accomplishes this before the next version is out, and replaces it as the Ultimate PC Repair Tool Suite. Bottom line is that it can be subjective if there even are any runners up since one person may think the McLaren is the Ultimate Auto while others vote for the Koennigsegg or the Tesla. At least in that field there is stiff competition. . Regards

That is certainly a fair question. I think it is because I work on PCs and routinely search for Live CDs that contain a wide variety of tools. Until I found Hirens I carted along a powered SATA drive enclosure with a Plextor SATA DVD burner and a 500G hdd with a Slackware system and loads of free space for backups. With Hirens loaded on a 32G USB stick I can carry in my shirt pocket I have all those tools and more in 3 environments since I added Slax Remix to the boot menu. While I didn't mention Slax it is for a good and simple reason - in over a year and countless repairs I haven't needed it. The sheer number of and diversity of quality tools in one place is why I consider it "Ultimate". If there is another LiveCD that has as many or even more with less duplication I;d really like to know about it. Ultimately one should peruse the list and determine if that seems "ultimate" for you. Just take a quick look and decide for yourself Hiren's BootCD 10.6 I certainly have nothing to gain form it beyond the limited possibility that someone will post "Gee thanks, You helped me salvage my PC and/or mucho dinero". Frankly, while your post was more neutral, I don't understand all the negativity for what is intended as a gift with which you can do what you will.

OK I'll play along for awhile :) 
How is this a flaw in logic? Isn't that statement a non sequiter in itself? While I could have given credit where credit is deserved do you propose that I should have mentioned that DOS came from CPM? Memtest has long been available for many systems. The fact remains that the one on this CD is for DOS which doesn't make it better or worse, just different under the hood. It still goes. To characterize that as a "logic flaw" just reveals your agenda to diminish if not discredit either the idea or it's authors. It's not going to happen. Hiren is (and I am as well) on entirely solid ground here. That's cool and I too prefer OpenSource tools however this is all that and more on a single CD that anyone interested can download, burn and boot in minutes. Hundreds of problems for millions of people can be fixed with it. That seems both sufficient and necessary to me to qualify as useful as well as convenient. Here again you seem to want to tie this into old technolgy with extremely limited application and diminish and discredit. This seems a failure to fully comprehend the scope of truly deep computer work. One exampe beyond merely updating a BIOS image with a OEM provided update is that it comes with "modbin" where one can customize and unhide features seemingly unavailable from stock. Furthermore it comes with MASM, Link, and Debug and essentially every other major programming build environment with which one can write one's own BIOS given the skilz and desire or write direct-to-disk or any chip on the mobo, incluidng peripherals like the Video subsystem. FreeDOS is neither old nor severely limited and weak. I don't know about you but when I graduated to "pneumatic tools" I didn't throw away my "box wrenches and screwdrivers". I try to use the best and most readily available tools to suit the job. Since Windows has a (extremely regrettable) 90+ % market share and since a conservtive 70% of Linux users dual boot and 100% of PC users have affected hardware, and since this single CD has a huge diverstiy of powerful, even professional, tools that can fix hundreds of situations, even catastrophic failures, I contend that it is entirely logical (approaching self-evident to an open mind) that Hirens Boot CD qualifies as a useful tool that virtually eveybody with a PC can use and find invaluable. Data Recovery alone is worth a lot of money, time and effort, not to mention stress and worry. Defense rests.

Greetz Well I suppose that's a reasonable question that deserves a reasonable answer. Many of the DOS based utilities are simply to diagnose, benchmark and repair hardware, For example Memtest86+ of course tests ram. There are deep level hdd diags, backup and recovery tools for example that have nothing to do with OpSys. There are partition manipulation and recovery tools that work with every major file system including ext3, reiser etc, that have advanced features not found in GParted I don;t suppose you've looked at FreeDOS recently but it handles FireWire, USB, raid, and advanced networking and is full of bash commands, It is by no means for ancient boxen only and fully capable of working with modern hardware and as a single user environment, safe and powerful for hardware and other deep level work, including BIOS tools obviously OpSys independent in their usefulness and power. Instead of me rattling on here is a complete list of the most recent boot CD Hiren's BootCD 10.6 There are several related video clips on YouTube Bottom Line if you ever work on systems whether yours or others you can benefit from this amazing "Swiss Army Knife". though it may be controversial in a possibly eye-patch sort of way. Har! :)

Hey! Don't knock those windoze boxen. They provide me with an income B) I don't see how I was hating on Bart. I think he is brilliant. Incidentally as I'm sure you already know, most of those tools are useful regardless of OpSys. However it wouldn't be very "ultimate" if it didn't also address the majority of problems that are inherently Windoze related. BTW alexander did you try out Slax Remix from the other thread?

Greetz If you don;t have it already you need to get Hirens Boot CD. The boot menu offers three modes 1) Memtest86 - very thorough ram stick testing and benching 2) Dos based tools - including low level hard drive diagnostics, repair and recovery; partitioning tools that handle almost all modern file systems and can recover lost partitions; pro level drive imaging and backup and recovery; many more 3) MiniXP - a Gooey Desktop environment that is much faster and more effective than Barts PE having numerous tools including on-the-fly internet updateable anti virus and anti malware, Easus partition manager (excellent for Win 7) password recovery/discovery/change tools, registry and boot recovery, and much much more This is just a hint of the awesome tools on this CD. Complete list here Hiren's BootCD 10.6 and All Other Versions - HTTP Download Free downloads are out there Enjoy

Guess I didn't recall how. Here's the fix

Originally I wrote a long dissertation about the power and value of Live CDs but for some reason this Forum doesn't cache drafts and I lost it. So I'll just make two points and if anyone wants to know more they can ask here or just try them. The first one is Hirens Boot CD which is the most comprehensive set of amazing tools, some from a DOS based environment and others from it's MiniXP Desktop. All this with none of the hassle of Bart's PE. It's all there including updateable database anti Malware and Virus tools. This is the main event - Slax-Remix v7.0 A single command built into the iso, one for Windows and one for Linux, makes a USB stick bootable. Once on a USB stick it can save settings, configurations, drivers and expand with new applications and programs. However, even stock, it is nothing short of amazing. It's ability to discover and set up hardware including Internet, even most wireless is terrific. It comes with Firefox with Flash plugin installed by default as the screenie below shows. The boot menu reveals it's flexibility having 6 possibilities, including a heavy and a Lite DE, CLI, and "Always Fresh" that ignores specifics you've added so it is still useful on any machine, and an PXE server. Ut can be booted over network. Again, If you have questions just ask here or just jump in and try 'em. They're very friendly. It's been awhile since I "attached" a jpeg so I hope this works. The 2 mentioned Live media work better than you can imagine. Check em out. Oh yeah here's the Remix pictured above slax-remix-v07.iso Enjoy BTW can anyone tell me what the "Thumbs Down" dealio is?

Excuse me but didn't you mean that molecules are held together by chemical bonds ( a form of electromagnetic bonding called valence) and atoms by another electromagnetic attraction resulting from the charge difference between electrons and the nucleus which is held together by he Weak Nuclear Force? BBT holds that at one time these forces were Unified but since you don;t subscribe to that, how is it that this is all Gravity to your way of thinking? What is "layers of gravity"? and "applied" by what mechanism?

I have to say that it disturbs me some when people speak of "fudge factors" in Science as if Science allows for pulling answers out of thin air. It smacks of the way the fundamental religion crowd throws around "just a theory" often revealing an underlying distrust and even ignorance of the basic tenets of the Scientific Method. This is even further complicated by our times where Quantum Mechanics is both so new and also about areas where common sense has no validity. There is no earthbound frame of reference for common sense at the sub atomic level or environments such as exist around black holes or the very early Universe. Some scientists say that "singularities" are just conditions where everything seems to become asymptotic and/or current understanding of the Laws of Physics breaks down. This just means we don't understand it fully yet, that we've just begun to understand that there is a problem, yet even defined, and are a ways from any hard answers This is not an uncommon condition. In fact the concept of "light cone" can be applied to human understanding as it has evolved over the centuries, one where, little by little, light is shed in dark corners. Since so much of early scientific endeavor or at least it's engineering adjunct was financed and motivated by military applications please allow me to use a military example. It is observable that of one drops a feather that it's fall is easily affected by the slightest of breezes. So it is likely that it felt easy to understand why an arrow in flight was deflected by windage. OTOH when dropping a cannonball it seemed obvious that no wind, or at least no wind one could also stand in to drop such a ball, would affect it's fall. So it was difficult to understand why a cannonball in flight was indeed affected by windage. However once sufficient mathematical data was collected about the flights of many cannonballs under a variety of wind conditions, patterns emerged and it could be concluded that, however difficult or impossible at the time it was to understand how these forces worked, that on the battle field under a given wind condition the aim of the cannon should be adjusted by what could easily be seen as a "fudge factor" and the ball would land where desired more or less consistently. The soldiers on the ground didn't give a whit about why the math worked, only that it did. It was up to Science to eventually explain the nature of Aerodynamics. There is little doubt that any mature body of knowledge resists change since it always by definition withstood seemingly contradictory observed phenomena to even become "mature". For example "Dark Matter" today is much like the windage on early cannonade. Many non scientific people think this is some very recent "fudge factor" when in fact it was first postulated in 1934 by Fritz Zwicky as an X Factor, when an entirely consistent pattern of error was observed in galactic rotation. This was less than 10 years after Edwin Hubble blew everyone's minds that the Milky Way galaxy was/is only one of many billions of galaxies. While if anything we are not even measurably closer to understanding what Dark Matter is, even after 76 years of the most prolific increase in scientific data in all of human history, still nothing has been observed to destroy the consistent pattern of what it, whatever it is, describes and how it behaves, that it exists. It is undeniably a consistent something, not merely random nor offhandedly contrived. I apologize for taking so long to get exactly on topic regarding what has come to be called "Dark Flow", since I, too, find it exceedingly interesting and have great hopes that in the next 2 or 3 years it will be confirmed or denied by the findings of ESA's Planck telescope, when in all likelihood we won't be that lucky and the mystery will only be expanded. Our "flashlights" are yet dim in very dark corners. The exciting thing is that "halogen bulbs" and "lithium batteries" are just arriving. At least 3 major new technologies are focused on BBT and Inflation and such anomalies as Dark Flow. Exciting things are on the horizon. It's just that I sometimes grow tired of the impatience and impulsiveness that seems to characterize those that for whatever reason or agenda seem to delight in the prospect of BBT and The Standard Model falling like a house of cards, as if it were that fragile and so easily dislodged. It's so easy to see shapes in shadows and forget how unreliable that is, sometimes in our enthusiasm to grasp the Truth, but also for some, simply to shore up what they wish to be true. I love the quote "The Universe is not only stranger than we imagine... it is stranger than we can imagine". Certainly it is entertaining to imagine that you, the young upstart, might actually give Oscar De La Hoya a run for his money (especially now that he seems to be past his prime) but in reality actually believing that only shows a lack of understanding of the actual skill, training, and experience required to even be a contender for a match, let alone last longer than a few seconds in the ring. It certainly would be refreshing if those that comment in Science forums actually acted as if they understood what Science is and how slowly it advances.

Greetz Certainly it is too soon for any remarkable conclusions yet even though 5 times the WMAP resolution is a rather big step, but I think that's exactly the point. Five times the resolution would and did immediately blow Lowell's "Canals of Mars" out of the water, so to speak. On the flip side, although I can't place a resolution number on it, DNA could have obliterated Evolution but it didn't. Ultimately, it supports Evolution on a level Darwin couldn't even dream. That nothing big immediately popped out to work against BBT or even Inflation holds great promise, I think, that while refinements are assured and even perhaps some dead ends reached in some minor areas, the overall concept of BBT and The Standard Model are at base, on solid footing for some time to come. Even though I basically like the guy, I couldn't resist the little poke at Mishio Kaku as representative of the whole String Theory community who are understandably so desperate for any sort of evidence to demonstrate that (and maybe, if) pure Mathematics as a means of deep discovery is not indulging in Philosophy but rather hard Science. .