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Introducing the Key Ring Atom - a new atomic model
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
I am sorry I have been away. I am a partner in a Software Developement Company. We have a very hot item right not that is taking up all my time(it is paying the bills). I have to devote all my concentration to it and will probably be doing so until the end of Novemeber. Right now I don't have the time to post several items a week. I will be back. The lack of geometrical models was the first thing led me to the rejection. It is extremely difficult to build a working model using the "Standard Model". Illustrations are the most common way to show the concept. Valence shells are a nighmare with the "Standard Model". The electromagnetic force has to have multiple levels of strength or holding power. The second thing that led me to the rejection of quantum mechanics was that no one has ever "seen the details of an atom"(quote from an encyclopedia). What is inside the atom is still a theory. Once I went down the path that "modern physics" could be wrong is when I started developing the key ring atom. You are on the same page as everyone concerning what is inside the atom. I don't have the mathematical background or ability. The atom is not a mathematical issue, it's gemetrical issue. I have studied physics in high school and college(they were easy A's). Geometry was also an easy A. This is the ability I do have. I can study something and build a complete working geometrical model in my head. For example, I can take a V8 engine start it and run it. I can cut a cross section of it and watch both sides run at the same time. I can do the cross section at any angle. I can zoom in and watch any part move mechanically. The engine can run with push rods, single overhead cam or double overhead cams I can also do this with 2 cycle engines or rotary engines. My son asked me what RPM I can run the engine at. I usually run at around 120 rpm but can go up to 240 rpm. If I build a model of a carbon dioxide molecule in my head with the stardard model, it won't work. The quantum forces will not hold the oxygen atoms to the carbon atom. There are huge problems with the standard model. I can see this. The geometry doesn't work for me. I guess I need to build some models and show what I see is wrong with the stardard model in the future. I am coming from this at a gemetrical angle not a mathematical one. Yes, I have looked at several pictures of atoms produced from scanning tunneling microscopes and electron microscopes. The pictures of these atoms produces a fuzy, cloudy shell. The donut shape of the key ring atom can work in all the pictures I have seen. This is my experimentation with atoms, elements and molecules using the key ring atom. First I get it to work in my head. Second, I get it to work on paper. Third, I build working models. If the geometry is correct, you can look at the atom, element, or molecule and tell how it will act chemically. I have always struggled in english and grammer. For this I have to apologize. I have my wife look over what I write before I post it. This helps a lot. This is normal. Go research the history of science. The fools and the ones who made the breakthroughs where treated this way. Thank you for the kindest post I have to date. -
What causes adhesion in the key ring atom? For a model of a molecule to work it must provide at least these 7 functions. 1. It must be the mechanism by which gravity works. 2. It must have a mechanical way to hold the atom and the molecule together. 3. It must be able to provide or change into all the energy particles that come out when the atom/molecule is split. 4. It must have a logical unit that determines it’s mass. 5. It must be able to connect or not connect to other elements. 6. It must provide the mechanism for hot and cold. 7. It must provide the mechanism of adhesion between molecules. This section will be dealing with just function 7. What is the mechanism that causes adhesion between molecules? Electron Ring Entanglement is the answer. Electron Ring Entanglement will be referred to as ERE from here on out. ERE is what happens when the electron rings from 1 atom comes in contact with the electron rings of another atom. I will demonstrate this principle with models of 2 hot atoms, 2 cold atoms, 2 very cold atoms and 2 atoms close to absolute zero. For my models of 2 hot atoms I have 2 Slinkys. Illustration 1 is at my web site . The Slinkys are much cheaper to buy than to build a model. In a real atom model each electron ring would be independent and circling on it’s own but this model will demonstrate the principle of ERE very well. The illustration contains a yellow slinky and an orange slinky. Notice the outside edges of the electron rings. There is a gap between the outer edge of each electron ring. I will refer to this Electron Ring Gap as the ERG from here on out. The ERG on hot atoms is fairly big. In illustration 2, at my web site, are the 2 slinkys pushed together. Notice how the electron rings slide into the ERG. Hot atoms will have a very wide ERG. Also notice the width of the electron rings. Since the width of the electron rings are less than the width of ERG the atoms can slide together. This is Electron Ring Entanglement or ERE. This is the mechanism that causes adhesion between two atoms. Once the slinkys slide together, there is a small amount of adhesion or in other words they stick together. With these hot models there is a lot of flexibility between the two atoms. The atoms can be moved together or pulled apart quite easily. The two hot atoms have a loose fit. Illustration 3, at my web site, has two cold atoms. In my initial work this is where I had absolute zero. Since then I found that I need to make the electron rings smaller to achieve absolute zero. I will show the colder models later in this section. These two atoms are only half built. The idea is to show what happens on the edge of the atom where the ERE occurs and show the size of the proton ring in relation to the size of the electron rings. The electron rings are red and the proton rings are blue. The electron rings and the proton rings are the same size. I only used about 20 electron rings made from wire in each model. A real atom would have thousands of electron rings. Notice how wide the ERG is. Illustration 4, at my web site, has the 2 cold atoms pushed together. The electron rings easily slide between the ERGs. There is less ERE in the cold atoms than in the hot atoms. The flexibility between the two cold atoms is much lower than in the hot atoms. The cold atoms have a tighter fit than hot atoms. Illustration 5, at my web site, has 2 water molecules. Notice the two molecules are touching. When two water molecules touch there will be some ERE. The electron rings from one molecule can easily entangle with the electron rings of the other. This entanglement is what causes surface tension and some of the friction in the atomic world. This is how it works “Mechanically” at the smallest level. The illustration just shows water. Different substances will have different amounts of ERE. For example if you get water on your hands your hands will be wet. The water sticks to your hands because of the ERE between the water and that of your hands. Put water on the hood of your car and the water will spread out flat and even. Why? It’s because the ERE between the hood and the water is higher than the ERE between the water. Next wax your car and then put water on your hood. What happens? The water will form beads. Why? It’s because the ERE between the water is higher than the ERE between the waxed hood and the water. If you get water on you, you will be wet. The ERE between you and the water is high enough that the water sticks to you. The ERE principle will apply to all substances. Take pancake syrup for example, it will have a very high ERE. It is very sticky. If you get it on your hands, it is hard to get off. It will stick to the hood of your car, if it is waxed or not. Illustration 6, at my web site, has 2 ice molecules. These molecules are much colder than the water. The ERE is less. There is less flexibility between each atom and they will fit tighter. What’s the result of this? It’s a solid. The ice lays flat and is stuck together with another ice molecule. There is very little movement that can occur between each molecule. They can’t roll in and out like the water. The arrangement of the molecule will affect crystallization or how the solid forms. Ice doesn’t stick to your hands or the hood of your car because the ERE is very low. If you take a chunk of ice and break a chunk off you can’t just stick it back together. Why? You would have to have almost perfect alignment to slide all electron rings back together. How would you put the chunk of ice back on? There would be just 2 ways, high pressure or melt the ice to water, raising the ERE then refreezing the water back into ice. Illustration 7, at my web site, has 2 atoms at almost absolute zero. The electron rings in red are half the size of the proton ring. I only filled in a little over half of the molecule so you can see the proton ring, which is blue. In my initial geometry I was wrong. I set absolute zero when the electron rings and proton rings are the same size. I have since made the electron rings smaller. Illustration 8, at my web site, has the same 2 atoms at almost absolute zero stuck together. There is no flexibility and they fit very tight fit. Snug would be a good way to describe it. Also look at the depth that the electron rings penetrate one another. The depth is way less on cold molecules than it is on hot molecules. If you were to predict how molecules would act based on temperature, what would you predict? I would predict that colder is harder and more brittle. I would predict that warmer is softer and easier to bend. My wife bought some blue berries. They were soft and flexible at room temperature. She froze them and they became hard as a rock. The prediction of how temperature affects key ring atoms is dead on. The geometry of each different type of molecule will determine the amount of ERE at different temperature. The molenum, the number of protons and electrons, will come into play in this geometry. How do metals act? Look at the work of a blacksmith. He will take a piece of iron and heat it till it is very hot. Then he can easily bend the metal when it is at a high temperature. Metals are more malleable at higher temperatures. Why? It’s because of the flexibility that goes with a higher ERE. Have you ever seen a blacksmith make a sword? What do they do? They heat the metal and then hammer it into shape. The hammering makes the metal harder. Do you know why? It’s because the hammering causes a higher ERE and it will also cause the electron rings to have a deeper depth between each other. Then the metal is quickly cooled. This makes the sword much harder because it tightens up the gaps in between the electron rings as they cool. Illustration 9, at my web site, has 2 atoms at or near absolute zero. This is extremely cold. The proton ring is blue and the electron rings are red. The electron rings are one forth the diameter of the proton ring. Notice the width of the electron rings is less than the ERG. They won’t stick together. The gaps aren’t wide enough for the electron rings to fit in. This is the point of zero ERE. This is the point of where the surface tension in helium breaks down. Helium becomes a super fluid at this temperature or it has no friction. What else happens at these temperatures? Most things become very brittle. Take a rubber ball that bounces at room temperature and then freeze it to these temperatures. Bounce the ball and what happens? The ball will shatter into little pieces because of the low ERE. The molecules in the ball will just barely hold together and a jolt from hitting the ground will cause breaks between many molecules. This is all predictable with the key ring atom. Everywhere I go with the key ring atom I get mechanical answers. I can build models and reproduce the phenomenon. Build your own models. Check out the flexibility and the fit between the different temperatures. I used wires from a hardware store. I used a one inch PVC pipe, wrapped the wire around the pipe and then cut it. All my proton rings are used with the one inch pipe. I used larger pipes for the hot electron rings. For the cold electron rings I used the same one inch pipe. I didn’t cut individual electron rings; I just wrapped the red wire around the pipe about twenty times and then cut it at the end. Two of these were made for the cold. Next I slid electron rings onto the proton rings. I made the very cold models the same way using a one half inch rod. For the absolute zero models, I did it the very same way using a one quarter inch rod. I recommend you build these and get two slinkys. Not only can you visualize how hot and cold affects molecules, but you can actually feel it. These models work! There are some geometrical questions that I haven’t answered yet. How long is the tadtron that forms into the electron ring? How wide is the electron ring? Is the tadtron ribbon shaped or thread shaped? How many electron rings are on one proton ring? These answers would make predicting absolute zero much easier. The electron rings are going to have a coilnum as they go from absolute zero to very hot. How they coil and the width of the tadtron is a problem yet to be solved. When things get cold, the electron rings coiling will cause tightness at the point it circles into the proton ring. The proton ring could expand to compensate. The key ring atom will work. The final geometry is the work yet to be done. Illustration 10, at my web site, has all 4 sets of atoms side by side.
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Show me why helium won’t freeze!
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
I am hoping to post part of this answer next week. The 7th function that the atom must do is "provide the mechanism of adhesion between molecules". When I post this I will be able to show what causes surface tension. After I show that, I will be able to show how surface tension breaks down and why a super fluid is frictionless. This post may answer a lot of questions that you may have in my theory. I put my theory into a book. It has only been out for a few months. I have learned a lot since finishing the book. Helium freezing under pressure is something I was unaware of. Due to that, I am in the process of building some newer models of helium. I usually pay my children to build them. But last night, I worked on an atom that was a super fluid. I can see why it is frictionless. I will be taking pictures of my latest models and they will be part of what I post. "Why the stuff runs up the side" is something that you may be able to figure out after I post this next thread. There is an answer for every phenomenon. Finding the answer takes time and work. Thank you for your interest and kind words. -
Show me why helium won’t freeze!
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
I asked for it. You showed me and you showed me up. I made a MISTAKE. It's not my first mistake and it won't be my last. However, you have given me a huge piece of information that I was unaware of. I was unaware of helium freezing under external pressure. I look at things from a geometrical point of view. I believe the shape determines the phenomenon. If helium will freeze under pressure, then it has to have some flat spots in it's shape. Absolute zero is something I have struggled with in my theory from the start. Temperature is determined by the size of the electron rings in each atom. I have never known how small to make the electron rings in relation to the size of the proton ring. If you look at my work, you will notice where I set absolute zero. When the electron rings are the same diameter as the proton rings that was absolute zero. That's where I made my mistake. If I make the electron rings smaller on the helium, flat spots will appear. The shape of the helium will be like a dice with rounded corners. (Dice like you roll in a board game). I will make some models of helium with electron rings that have a diameter about a half to a forth the diameter of the proton ring. I will post them when I get them. It may be a few weeks. You have also opened my eyes to why cold helium flows without friction. The smaller electron ring is what will cause the helium to become frictionless. I will be showing this in the near future. This has also led me down another path, why do some materials become brittle as they get colder. I will try and answer this as well. Thank you for "Showing Me". There's a lot of remarkable work going on out there. The link was very interesting and educational. My goal is to put better geometry inside the atomic shells. It takes time. I guess I should have titled my article "Show me why it is so hard to freeze helium". -
Show me why helium won’t freeze! I am from Missouri. It is the show me state. If you say you have something then our answer is show me. If you say you can build a house that’s great, but you need to show me to convince me. First draw it out on paper. Then build it. If it is a house then we know you can build a house. If you can’t then as far as we are concerned you’re “Full of it”. I have said the atoms, molecules, and compounds are composed of key ring atoms. I have also stated that gases bounce, liquids roll, and solids lay flat. Now, it’s my turn. I have to show you. First, I will show it to you on paper. Then, I will show you models we have built. If my theory is correct a model of helium will never lay flat. At my web site is an illustration of helium. It has 4 dark proton rings in the center. It has a lot of red electron rings around the proton rings. Notice the outside of the helium. It is round. This illustration is a hot helium molecule, it will bounce. Imagine the electron rings as being smaller for a cold helium molecule. The outside will still be round, no matter how small the electron rings get. The molecule will be round and it will roll. It will become a very small ball. It will never lay flat. It will never freeze. This is called the super fluidity of helium. That’s showing it on paper. The next thing to do is build a model. I got some wire, some fishing line, and some glue. I paid my children to make the model. They took the wire and wrapped it around some pipe to form the circles. They then tied the proton rings together. The proton rings are blue. Then they tied in the electron rings. The electron rings are red. They only used a few electron rings so the proton rings can be seen. If you use too many electron rings you have a shell and you can’t see the middle. We have no way of causing the proton rings and electron rings to circle, so they glued all the proton rings and electron rings in place. A picture of my children is at my web site . My children are in grade school and high school. My son that is in the 6th grade is holding a hot helium molecule model. Notice it is round. The density is low it will bounce. My son that is in the 5th grade is holding the cold helium molecule model. The electron rings are the same size as the proton rings. I think this atom would be close to absolute zero. The density of the cold is higher than that of the hot. Notice it is round and much smaller than the hot helium. No mater how cold helium gets, it won’t lay flat. It will roll and be a liquid. This is a simple answer to the super fluidity of helium. There is another picture of the hot and cold helium molecules side by side at my web site . You can see the difference in size and density. You can also see both are round. The theory of the standard model of helium has 2 protons, 2 neutron, and 2 orbiting electrons. This model was considered to be a miniature solar system. This atom vibrates to produce hot and cold. This theory came out over 90 years ago. Can grade school children build a model of a miniature vibrating solar system that explains why helium won’t freeze? Can high school children build a model of a miniature vibrating solar system that explains why helium won’t freeze? Can college students build a model of a miniature vibrating solar system that explains why helium won’t freeze? Can our top physicist build a model of a miniature vibrating solar system that explains why helium won’t freeze? No, they can’t. No plausible solution to why helium won’t freeze has ever been produced to my knowledge. Why can’t it be explained? It’s because the geometry of the standard model is wrong. If grade school children can build something that our top physicist can’t then you should be seeing some big red flags waving. Use your brain. Believe what you eyes are telling you. Listen to your common sense. When it comes to the atom, PT Barnum may be right. I am from Missouri. If the standard model of the atom is so good then “Show Me” a model that explains why helium won’t freeze.
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I don't believe in protons so I don't need the movement. However, GO LOOK at what UncleAl posted. It is the theoretical shell of the electron movement. There are 2 illustrations of that shell. One is a Prolate(Elongated at the poles). Notice it is donut shaped! A cold key ring atom will fit nicely inside of it. The second illustration is an Oblate(Flattened at the poles). A hot key ring atom will fit quite nicely inside of it. Thank you UncleAl. It adds a lot of weight to my theory. I am trying to change what is behind the Shells and how people look at the shells.
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Solids lay flat, liquids roll, gases bounce in the key ring atom. For a model of a molecule to work it must provide at least these 7 functions. 1. It must be the mechanism by which gravity works. 2. It must have a mechanical way to hold the atom and the molecule together. 3. It must be able to provide or change into all the energy particles that come out when the atom/molecule is split. 4. It must have a logical unit that determines it’s mass. 5. It must be able to connect or not connect to other elements. 6. It must provide the mechanism for hot and cold. 7. It must provide the mechanism of adhesion between molecules. (In another section). Function 6 is what I will be dealing with in this section. I had another section called “What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom?” That section shows how the size or circumference of the electron ring causes hot and cold. Larger electron rings are hotter and smaller electron rings are colder. In this section I am going to try and show how the larger electron rings affect the shape of the atoms and molecules. When the shape changes so will the physical characteristics of the atom or molecule. This shape will determine why things are a solid, a liquid, or a gas. The key ring atom is shaped like a donut. It is also shaped like an inner tube taken out of a tire on a car. A single inner tube would be the equivalent of a single hydrogen atom. This inner tube can be used as a very good example of what happens in a key ring atom as it heats up or as the electron rings get bigger. Get an inner tube or visualize this in your mind if you can. Start with no air in the tube. Now inflate the tube with enough air so that it fills up to be a donut shape. This would be considered to be absolute zero in the key ring atom. The tube will now lay flat on its side. You can stack a large number of tubes on top of each other. The density of the tube is at it’s highest at this point of inflation. In the key ring atom, I consider atoms that lay flat to be solids. Next inflate the tube until the outside of the donut is twice as big. What happens to the tube? It gets round. It will now roll. It will not lay flat and will not stack as easy. The density of the tube is much lower. When atoms roll I consider this to be a liquid in my key ring atoms. Next inflate the tube until the outside of the donut is about 3 times lager than when you started. What happens to the tube? It gets even rounder. It will now bounce quite easily. The density of the tube is much lower. When atoms bounce I consider this to be a gas in my key ring atom model. The inner tube comparison was for a single hydrogen key ring atom. Can inflating and deflating a more complicated compound be done? Yes, it can. Let’s use something that is very common. In the next illustration we will use water or H20. At my web site is an illustration of H20 as a gas, a liquid, and a solid. In the illustration there are 3 H20 molecules. The top H20 is a gas or steam. The middle H20 is a liquid or water. The middle H20 is a solid or ice. The darker rings are the proton rings and the lighter rings are the electron rings. There are 4 electron rings for each proton ring. The oxygen is the center 16 proton rings. A single proton ring or hydrogen atom is off each end. A shared electron ring holds each hydrogen atom to the oxygen molecule. The illustrator spent many hours doing this illustration. He used electron rings that had a diameter of about 4 times that of a proton ring for the steam illustration. For the water illustration he used a diameter of 3 times that of a proton ring. On the ice illustration the electron rings diameter is 2 times that of a proton ring. These diameters may not be true to scale but they show the principle of the shape changing as the electron rings get bigger(hotter) or smaller(colder). The steam illustration is at the top. Imagine this as 18 inner tubes all inflated to a large size. The density of this atom is very low. It is like a great big balloon. This atom will bounce. It will be a gas. The water illustration is in the middle. The 18 inner tubes (key ring atoms) are smaller than in the steam. When the electron rings get smaller or are cooled they will coil through other electron rings and proton rings. As each individual key ring atom cools there will be different pressures exerted throughout the water compound. I believe this pressure causes the water molecule to warp into a round ball. Now that it is round it will roll. H20 will now be a liquid. The density of this atom is much higher than that of the steam. Notice the overlapping of the electron rings. This makes the atom much denser. The ice illustration is at the bottom. As the H20 compound cools, the pressure changes and the compound straightens out, it is no longer warped. Now the atom will lay flat. It will be a solid. Notice there are no overlapping electron rings. The density of ice will be less than that of water due to the lack of the overlapping electron rings. That’s’ why ice will float. When water straightens out it also expands. This is what causes pipes to break when they freeze. The rate of heat transfer will also be different between water and ice. When you heat ice, the transfer of heat will be along a straight line. How the electron rings touch will determine heat transfer. When you heat the water, the transfer of heat will be in a circle. The electron rings will touch each other at different angles than with ice, thus a different transfer rate. The different transfer rate is already well known. With the key ring atom and key ring compound this is very easy to see. Once again, geometry explains the phenomenon. Geometry explains solids. Geometry explains liquids. Geometry explains gases. Geometry explains heat transfer. With the standard model, you have a vibrating miniature solar system. It is very difficult to use explain any these phenomenon with. Why is that? Is it possible that the geometry of the standard model is wrong? Is it possible that the atom is not a miniature solar system? The vibrating miniature solar system was a 20th century idea. It may be time for the 21st century idea – the key ring atom.
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What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom?
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
I see the electron rings getting very small when they are cold. Getting to a point that they have no spin is something I had not thought about. No spin could or would be absolute zero. Good idea. They will fy apart when super heated. A hydrogen bomb is an example. The proton ring always stays the same size. It does not change with heat. Both strong nuclear force and the vibration are THEORY. Just like mine. A vibration is something moving back and forth. If it works like a rubber band, it needs two anchor points and the atom has to have some elasticity to it. I don't see how mass in an atom can move back and forth unless something is providing the 4 forces needed to complete 1 vibration. Because of the arrangement and shape of all the proton rings and electon rings. Where they touch and interact with each other effects how temperature is spread through the molecule. I hope to post something on solids liquids and gases, soon. As the electron rings get bigger or smaller, due to temperature, the atoms and molecules shape changes. When the shape changes so will the arrangement of the atoms and where they interact. I have an illustration of steam, water and ice that I will be posting. It may help to answer this question a little better. I don't know how to form matter but it could be like this. The proton rings are spinning. This spin can be stationary. Electron rings could form around the stationary ring even if it is spinning. I am not sure what you are asking, so I don't know how to answer. Could you be a little more specific? These where good questions. I hope I have answered some of them. -
What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom?
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
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What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom?
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What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom? Spinning objects hold energy or momentum depending on how you look at it. That’s a known fact. If you take a hula hoop and throw it up in the air with a spin, it will spin until it comes down and comes in contact with something that stops it. If you throw a Frisbee with a spin, it will spin through the air until it comes in contact with something that stops it. You have the same thing with a wheel and an axle. You can spin the wheel and it will continue to spin until something stops it. In this case friction of the axle will cause the wheel to slow down until it stops. The wheel holds the energy or the momentum. It is commonly known as a flywheel. The amount of energy in a flywheel depends on the weight, speed and circumference of the flywheel. For now, let’s call this the flywheel effect. Could the flywheel effect be what causes hot and cold in the atom? It can’t be in the standard model because the geometry of that model won’t support it. However, the flywheel effect is inherent in the key ring atom. I will show you this now. Under the section “Introducing the Key Ring Atom” is a model of a Hydrogen key ring atom. You should read that section before continuing. In the key ring atom we have a proton ring in the center and electron rings hooked through the center. The proton ring is a tadtron in a coil. The question is how much is it coiled. I made all molecules with the idea that the proton ring would overlap itself 3 times. A suggestion was made from someone at a website forum to call this a coilnum. I liked the idea and am going to use it. A triple wrap of 3 is a coilnum of 3. Electron rings are tadtrons in a coil as well. In an illustration at my web site I am showing the coils of the proton ring and the electron rings. It’s the first illustration. At the top of the illustration is a hydrogen molecule that is hot. It only has 4 electron rings for demonstration purposes. A real atom would have many more. The proton ring has a coilnum of 3 regardless of the temperature. The coilnum of the electron rings is what determines the temperature in an atom. This is a hot hydrogen atom. The coilnum of the electron rings is a 1. In this case the tail of the tadtron touches the head of the tadtron. The bottom atom is a cold hydrogen atom. In this illustration the coilnum of the electron rings is a 3. This is what I would consider to be absolute zero. What’s the difference in proton rings and the electron rings? I think the proton rings coil or wrap to the side, while the electron rings coil to the inside of them selves. Hot atoms have electron rings with a larger circumference than cold atoms. This is the flywheel effect that is inherent in the key ring atom. The flywheel effect is the same at the atomic level as it is in our everyday world. Wheels with a larger circumference have more energy or momentum than wheels with a smaller circumference. What is the RPM of the proton rings and the electron rings? I don’t know. I do believe there is a relationship to the size of the electron ring and the speed of the circling tadtron. The higher the speed, the larger the circumference and that produces a hotter atom. How does heat transfer from 1 atom to the next? The second illustration at my web site has 3 pairs of hydrogen atoms. The first pair is of hot and cold hydrogen atoms. They have a distance between them. The second pair is a hot hydrogen atom touching a cold hydrogen atom. The hot hydrogen has a coilnum of 1. The cold hydrogen has a coilnum of 3. The 3rd pair of atoms is the result of the touching of the 2 atoms. The hot hydrogen’s larger electron rings cause the cold hydrogen’s electron rings to speed up. The cold hydrogen electron rings get bigger. In the process the hot hydrogen’s electron rings get smaller. They balance each other. Both atoms become warm and have a coilnum of 2. This is how heat transfers in the key ring atom. When 1 electron ring in an atom spins up(hot) or spins down(cold) it gets transferred to all the electron rings in that atom. All electron rings will touch at the base of the proton ring and this is where the balance of the speed will occur. Hot and cold works the same in the key ring molecules and compounds. The transfer of the heat from atom to atom will be a lot more complicated. If the transfer works easily it will be a good conductor of heat. If the transfer is slow then the material will be a good insulator. It will all depend on how each molecule and compound is chained together. When electron rings get bigger, the shapes of the molecules will change. I am going to cover that in a section on solids, liquids and gases. Now, I would like to discuss temperature in the standard model. Temperature in the standard model is believed to be caused by a back and forth vibration. Let me put this in perspective. The atom has mass. For it to complete 1 back and forth vibration the following must occur. Force 1 must be applied to move the atom. Force 2 must be applied to stop the atom movement by force 1. Force 3 must be applied to move the atom back to where the atom started. Force 4 must be applied to stop the atom’s movement caused by force 3. That doesn’t add up. It takes energy to do each of those 4 forces. Temperature is supposed to hold the energy. It can’t work! Something with mass moving back and forth takes energy. When you move mass in one direction it takes energy. That’s standard physics. When you stop a mass it takes energy. That’s standard physics. The back and forth motion in the standard model is not just a major flaw, it’s a show stopper! To accomplish the back and forth motion in a machine in our everyday world, what do we have to do? A piston in an internal combustion motor is something that moves back and forth. To accomplish this movement what do we have to do? You need a crankshaft and a connecting rod connected to the piston. The crankshaft is the anchor point. The connecting rod connects the piston to the crankshaft. When power is applied (give it the gas) the piston moves back and forth. When you let off the gas what happens? The motor quickly slows down. Why? Because of how much energy it takes to move the piston back and forth. If you want the motor to slow down at a slower rate what do you do? You add a flywheel! An atom moving back and forth is no different than a piston. Do I believe in a model of an atom that is a vibrating miniature solar system? No, I don’t. The geometry is wrong. Maybe I would believe in it, if they added a crankshaft, a connecting rod and a flywheel, then they would have something that would at least have a possibility to work. 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Introducing the Key Ring Molecules
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
I think each individual atom has gravity that goes to it. The sum total of all atoms of any objecct is what determines how much gravity it has. A vacuum cleaner has moving parts that cause it to work. Parts move and air comes in a hose and exits out an exhaust port in the vacuum cleaner. I see gravity as moving somewhat like air. The moving of the electron rings causesassists the gravity to go in one side of an atom. The hole in the key ring atom is where the gravity particle goes through and exits. I think in terms of particles and their mechanical movement in 3 dimensions. Present theory has forces. I think there is a particle "Behind the forces". I was never good at english. The atoms and molecules must hold themselves together. I have tried to show how the proton ring does this like your key ring that holds your keys. I guess I should compare this to strong force. In the standard model strong force holds the nucleus of an atom together. Let's take oxygen for an example. It has 8 neutrons and 8 protons. The 8 neutrons have a neutral charge. The 8 protons have a positive charge. Like charges are suppose to repell. Shouldn't the molecule push itself apart? The neutrons shouldn't stick to anything. The protons should be pushing away from each other. A gluon theoretically holds them together or transmits this force. How? I look at what comes out of an atom when they are split, light, heat, radiation. I don't know of any "Proton chunks". The proton is now divided into quarks. I think they have not gone small enough yet. The electron is small enough. The rest of the atom isn't. Are you giving me an english lesson? Each key ring atom is a logical unit. It is just like a cell in a life form. Hydrogen has 1 proton. That is a logical unit of 1. Oxygen has 8 neutrons and 8 protons. I consider that to be 16 logical units. 1 logical unit equals a mass of 1. The mass gives each molecule an atom weight. I have started a new thread "Introducing the key ring compounds". I answer some of you questions there. Look at what I have and ask specific questions on that thread. I will try to answer them under that thread. I am going to post a thread called "What causes hot and cold in the key ring atom". I hope to have it posted before the 4th week of July. Hot and cold in the present theory is a huge flaw. I will show that flaw and compare it to the key ring atom. Thank you for your questions. I published my book in December of 2004. It has been available in stores since about April. I am rewriting parts of it and posting it at my web site. It takes time. This is the only forum I am currently posting those parts of my theory at. I am learning as I go. Thank you for your interest in my ideas. I hope you respond on my other threads. We can go into more detail on functions 5 and 6. -
Introducing the Key Ring Compounds. You should read the sections introducing the Key Ring Atom and introducing The Key Ring Molecules at my web site before continuing this section. For a model of a molecule to work it must provide at least these 7 functions. We dealt with 1 through 5 in the previous section. We will be dealing with only parts of function 5 or the connecting of molecules to other molecules. 1. It must be the mechanism by which gravity works. 2. It must hold the atom and the molecule together. 3. It must be able to provide or change into all the energy particles that come out when the atom/molecule is split. 4. It must have a logical unit that determines it’s mass. 5. It must be able to connect or not connect to other elements. 6. It must provide the mechanism for hot and cold. (In another section). 7. It must provide the mechanism of adhesion between molecules. (In another section). Under the section “Introducing the Key Ring Molecules” we have a model of Hydrogen and a model of Oxygen. We are going to connect 2 Hydrogen atoms to 1 Oxygen atom. How do we do this? It’s the same way you chain things together. Just add a link in a chain. What will we use for the link? We will use what we already have. We will use an electron ring. All one has to do is just share an electron ring. I have an illustration at my web site. It’s the first illustration. It is H20 or water. The proton rings of the Oxygen are purple. The electron rings are red. The proton rings of the Hydrogen are green. There are 2 shared electron rings that are light blue. You can see the shared electron rings between each Hydrogen atom and each end of the Oxygen molecule. This is the chemical bond that holds the water molecule together. It is very simple. The next compound is Carbon Dioxide or CO2. To build Carbon Dioxide we will take 1 Carbon molecule and 2 Oxygen molecules. The proton rings of the Carbon are black. The proton rings of the Oxygen molecules are purple. The electron rings of all molecules are red. The shared electron rings for both are light blue. An illustration is at my web site. It is the second compound. To build the Carbon Dioxide compound, we connect the 2 ends of the first Oxygen molecule to 2 legs on the Carbon molecule. Then we connect the other 2 ends of the remaining Oxygen molecule to the remaining 2 legs of the Carbon molecule. The shared electron rings hold the Carbon Dioxide compound together. It’s that simple. In my book there are illustrations of Oxygen(O2), Ozone(O3), Diamond(C4), Ammonia(NH3), Nitrous Oxide(N2O), Nitrogen(N2), Silicon Dioxide(SiO2) and Silicon Oxide(Si4O4). They all show how the molecules connect using the shared electron ring. Why do some elements connect and others don’t? It will have a lot to do with the configuration of each molecule. One reason is how long the legs are. Another is the twist at the end of the legs. For the shared electron ring to work the proton rings should be side by side. Twists will make the shared electron ring hard to combine or make a connection weak. How does this model work chemically? The same as what is taught in school. One atom gives up an electron and the other provides the one that is shared. An illustration of Water (H20) with the with the standard model is the third illustration at my web site. Atoms are believed to share an electron. This shared electron is what I didn’t “get” in school. I didn’t understand this. It did not make sense to me that a shared ball would hold each element together. It looked to me that the electron would have to make figure 8’s. I could find nothing in nature to compare this to. Two planets don’t share a moon. You can’t hook your dog up to a dog house with a figure 8ing ball. It just doesn’t work. Models of this type are extremely hard to make. This is one of the reasons why I think the geometry of the standard model is wrong. With the model of the key ring compound it’s just another link in a chain. We use similar chains everywhere. We hold jewelry around our neck. We can pull a car out of a ditch with a chain. We can chain a dog to a dog house. It is something we use everywhere. Links in chains can be formed or broken. Models of the key ring compounds are pretty easy to make. My children in grade school, junior high, and senior high have all made them. I will be posting these pictures soon. I think the geometry of the key ring atoms, the key ring molecules and the key ring compounds is right. Next I will be dealing with function 6.
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Introducing the Key Ring Molecules
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
Sarcastic or not does not matter to me. It is a better way of expressing what I have. It is a good scientific term. I am sharing my ideas. I will gladly accept any contibutions to my theory. The "coils" were illustrated over a year ago. I will show them soon. We never assigned them a "number". We just viewed them as their size. A couple of the people who helped on the book liked the "Coilnum". I am getting some illustrations put on my web site that everyone can see. I will start a thread on Introducting the Key Ring compounds when that is completed. A shared electron ring will be the "Hook". You are very close to what I have. I have illustations that show the heat and the thermal conductivity. I should have some of these posted at my web site by the third week of July. I will also start a thread at this web site by then. I don't have any extra dimensions because I don't need them. I thought I did answer it. If you go out on a clear night and look up in the sky. Light from all the distant stars can be seen. I think light is a particle. Think about how many particles of light come to your two little eyes. How many particles of just light hit per square inch per second? It's would have to be a huge number. I believe the light particles change state after they reach their destination. The former light particles are then able to join any stream of gravity. A light particle could come to the earth from a star a hundred million light years away. That light particle could hit your arm. That particle could then go out and find the end of a gravity stream going to our sun. Once the particle gets to the sun it would change to light and contiunue in the cycle. Light and gravity are just two of the states of a particle. This is a fundamental part of the Theory of Energy States(TOES). You always have the same number of particles in the universe. -
Introducing the Key Ring Molecules
Dannel Roberts replied to Dannel Roberts's topic in Strange Claims Forum
This is actually a very good way of stating this. The tadtrons do coil. I have always considered it an overlap in the ring. I am trying to present my ideas so that people can see and visualize them. I like the idea of a coil number. I prefer to call it a Coilnum. This number comes into play in a big way when I show how key ring molecules produce hot and cold. I view the proton ring as a triple overlap or coiled into 3 circles. This triple wrap would be considered to be a coilnum of 3. If the head of the tadron touched the tip of the tail it would be a coilnum of 1. It would be a complete circle with no overlap. All proton rings and electron rings are open ended coils. They connect and then they hold tight until some external force causes them to break or change to another State. I believe they all rotate. I don't know the RPM. They are just like your keyring. Each element is determined by the number of proton rings and their configuration. The coilnum of the electron rings will determine the temperature of that molecule. I should have a post for the hot and cold of the keyring atom by the end of July. Thank you for the "coilnum" idea. If this goes anywhere you will get credit for it. (Don't expect any money).