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Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Sure once you understand this then you it will come to you! http://kitekinto.hu/kep.php?id=31833%22%22%22%22 -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
It allows the heat to be removed from the planet to space since less water vapor will be formed in the atmosphere thus allowing the planet to cool more.They also remove fossil fuel GHG's which will also allow more heat to escape to space. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Weather in Europe would return to what it was prior to the industrial revolution. World wide sea water circulation will stay the same. Oxygen levels would stay the same but Co2 levels will lower and that is good for the calcium shelled organisms because carbonic acid won't dissolve their shells anymore.Sea life would flourish because they are too hot now since global ocean temps have risen 1.5 degrees C in the past 110 years. This idea restores those temperatures because they have the unique ability to regulate SSTs to what we determine will be the best for sea life and the coral reefs that suffer from coral bleaching because of the oppressive heat. They have to try and eek out an existence in waters that are to warm now. The heat we are making now is making hurricanes look trivial especially with what is going on at the North Arctic Ice cap. This idea has the opposite effect of what you may think! -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Seems the good professor worked it out for me. quote: Yes, I have spoken with Patrick, and, yes, a scheme somewhat like the one he describes could weaken hurricanes threatening places like Miami that have strong western-margin currents just offshore. There are, however, numerous qualifications. The scheme that we discussed involved an array of several rows devices across the Gulfstream. Each device would be a rectangular duct 140 m long and 10 by 14 m in cross section. Normally the devices would be moored horizontally at a depth of 100m with their long axes aligned with the current flow. They would be nearly neutrally buoyant. When a hurricane approached, ballast at the downstream end of the channel would be released, allowing the device to float up to a 45 deg angle. Cold water entering the upstream end would flow up to the surface and mix with the warmer water there. Since the mixture would be negatively buoyant, it would sink. But mixing due to several (3-10) lines of these devices could cool the surface waters of the Gulfstream by 1-2C, enough to weaken an Andrew-like hurricane from category 5 to category 3. A rough calculation indicates that a device every 100 m on each line of moorings (~1000 devices per ~100 km line) and 3-10 lines of moorings would be required. My guess is that it would cost $250K to fabricate and deploy a single device, but there might be economies of scale. One might also be able to optimize the size and spacing of the devices. Let's say that careful calculation told us that 4 lines of 1000 devices each would do the trick. At $0.25M per device, the cost works out to 4*1000*($0.25M) = $1000M. The actual cost might range from a few hundred million to a small multiple of a (US = 1000M) billion. One would want to do a detailed simulation before defining the scope of the project, but the basic notion is conversion of some of the kinetic energy of the Gulfstream into gravitational potential energy of the mixed water column. Again, I've not done that detailed simulation, only back-of-the-envelope calculations. Activation of the array would require accurate forecasting since it would take several days for the effect to make its way from south of the Dry Tortugas (optimum location for protecting the maximum amount of shoreline) to the landfall point. South Florida gets hit by a category 4 or 5 hurricane at every few years, but the really damaging ones like Andrew tend to be once-a-generation events, or less frequent. The array would need to be deployed and maintained for a long time between activations that actually safeguard property, although false alarms would not be particularly costly. Annual maintenance could easily exceed 10% of initial deployment cost. Bear in mind that Key West to Jacksonville is the only stretch of US coastline where this strategy would work. The other vulnerable sites, Houston-Galveston and New Orleans, lack the necessary strong offshore currents. While Georgia and the Carolinas also experience many hurricane landfalls and have the Gulfstream offshore, most of these cyclones are already weakening because of vertical shear of the horizontal wind so that a second installation north of Jacksonville would be much less useful. There has been a lot of talk about using wave and current energy to cool the ocean ahead of hurricanes. My general conclusion is that while these ideas might be made to work, the proponents underestimate the scope of the required effort, as well as the political will and recurring cost necessary to keep the project going in the long intervals between really damaging hurricanes. Skeptic that I am, I think that wiser land-use policy and more rigorous building standards are much more cost-effective and more politically feasible. A proof-of-concept that might entail deploying a half dozen devices has some appeal, but I think that there are more promising ways to spend disaster-prevention money. Best regards, Hugh Willoughby http://www2.fiu.edu/~geology/Content/People/Faculty/willoughby.htm -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Nah! I just tested a model I built of it and videoed it working and posted it on youtube. I'll work it out later. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Just enough to make it come out of the tunnel about 5 mph. What do you get? -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Correct the work needed is already in the flowing Gulfstream the net gain is already there. I just had to figure a way how to tap it. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Thanks Essay! It is a pretty simple formula that creates the flow through the tunnel.Basically it looks like this. F1>F2=Flow. Force 1 at tunnel inlet is greater than Force 2 at tunnel outlet. That is how the flow is created. If there were no flow in the Gulfstream then the differential across the tunnel would be zero. -
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cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Since the cold went into a warmer body of water and cooled it less vapor would be made. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
a lot of the heat would move back out to space since less water vapor would be made and thus there would be less cloud formation to trap that heat. The amount of heat would be variable based on what outlet temperature you would want to maintain downstream of the tunnels. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Depends on how much you want to cool Sea Surface temperatures with them. You can easily restore the Northern Arctic Ice during the summer if you want to with them. -
Underwater Suspension Tunnels
cyclonebuster replied to cyclonebuster's topic in Earth and Climate Science
Sure. The three way valve (TV-026) regulates the amount of cold water that is flowing through the tunnel thus cooling downstream sea surface temperatures in order to control the weather while at the same time the Kinetic Energy is extracted to supply electrical power to many customers thus reducing greenhouse gasses. -
I made a Wonderware computer graphic of the Tunnel how do you like it?
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Ir changes with altitude dude!You are wrong.
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Yes it is! Pressure is pressure it doesn't matter if it is gas pressure or regolith pressure. In fact before that ice was ejected out to space from the impact it could have been water below the surface prior to the impact and turned into ice once it was exposed to much cooler space.