i must say i do believe in free will but as in all cases free will does not affect the 1 who makes a choice and in exercising the free will of 1 the free will of another is distroyed. does this mean that the one without a choice can not exercise free will? i would reply no. he (dont kill me, or she) can stil refuse to put up with watever circumstance that befalls him. as for the matter of predestination how can we feel sad over the horrible things going on in the world how can we be angered by the pain of the innocent if it is all to be anyway in that case should we not do watever we want disregarding all morals and laws scince if we do so it was meant to be? i feel that this train of logic is flawed only leading to complete chaos. so if we have a choice in wat we do we have freewill no?