Does God exist?

[Pyrotex]

Yes, I agree, too.

 

And there are SOOOooooooo many organizations out there who are so very, very eager and helpful in making sure that we are aware of "the unknown", and just how scary it could be.

 

[theme from the Twilight Zone]

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

The belief in God says not so much about the origin of the universe, the origin of life, the meaning of it all, man's place in the universe or why there will always be misery in the world as it says about human psychology and the Fear of the Unknown.

 

 

 

 

I agree. That is about it.

 

 

You guy’s reeeeeealy need to get a little more perspective here. Yes this is one aspect of why we create gods or god. There plenty of others reasons, and they are worth knowing.

One broader aspect is way for people to create and ideal leader figure and people tend to create what is already familiar to them. A figure that reflects the culture. If you belong to a culture that the females or the feminine aspect are revered, you will create a goddess, or mother figure. If you culture is one of warriors your god may be a fierce male figure. These are archetypes of the unconscious, and we all have them to some degree.

[Thunderbird]

Yes, I agree, too.

 

And there are SOOOooooooo many organizations out there who are so very, very eager and helpful in making sure that we are aware of "the unknown", and just how scary it could be.

 

[theme from the Twilight Zone]

 

Bush administration's war on terror.

 

 

 

That was really weird.... I did here that theme in my head....dededededededededededee..pom pom pom pom

[Moontanman]

The fact that one of God's exiles actually managed to become something of an anti-God speaks volumes about how powerful God isn't, don't you think? If God were truly as all-powerful as he claims to be, and loved us as much as he claims to, then why would he not have just wished Lucifer out of existence, and protect us from such a vile trickster?

 

It's laughable, this myth. If people really thought about it, they'd never believe it. And a lot of people don't! Most don't, if you ask me. As Hitchens' says, you get a different answer from everybody.

 

If you asked a religious person why god allows Satan to have power you would be told in a heart beat that we cannot question or even understand enough to question god, it's a sin and is not allowed! typical I guess

[Reaper]

God does not exist. End of story :):doh:.

[Moontanman]

God does not exist. End of story :):doh:.

 

If you really expect that to be believed with out some proof of some kind then you are no better than the people who claim God is all powerful but expect you to believe it with no proof.

[Reaper]

If you really expect that to be believed with out some proof of some kind then you are no better than the people who claim God is all powerful but expect you to believe it with no proof.

 

 

Nope. The fact of the matter is, God doesn't exist.

 

HA! You lose :)

[freeztar]

Nope. The fact of the matter is, God doesn't exist.

 

HA! You lose :)

 

Moontanman has a point. Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. :doh:

[Overdog]

You guy’s reeeeeealy need to get a little more perspective here.

I disagree with you here. Actually, I think I have a very broad perspective in this matter, as I have in my lifetime the experience of transitioning from devout fundamentalist christian to athiest. I understand the importance of religion. Without it, we would probably still be barbarians. But we have to move on...

Yes this is one aspect of why we create gods or god. There plenty of others reasons, and they are worth knowing.

I agree. They are worth knowing because it tells us something about ourselves.

One broader aspect is way for people to create and ideal leader figure and people tend to create what is already familiar to them. A figure that reflects the culture. If you belong to a culture that the females or the feminine aspect are revered, you will create a goddess, or mother figure. If you culture is one of warriors your god may be a fierce male figure. These are archetypes of the unconscious, and we all have them to some degree.

No disagreement here. No doubt Hitler and Osama Bin Ladin are products of this tendency. All I'm saying is that if we can can ever succeed in excreting all the bullshit we've inherited from the past, (not saying that at one point it wasn't usefull to get us where we are today), we will be a lot better off and avoid all kinds of problems going forward.

[Moontanman]

Nope. The fact of the matter is, God doesn't exist.

 

HA! You lose :)

 

My point exactly:naughty:

[Reaper]

Moontanman has a point. Lack of evidence does not equal evidence. :)

 

 

Sure it does. After all, the theists and the polytheists have been using that sort of defense of their assumptions for millenia. And they could never, ever be wrong, so everyone else must be.

 

Now it's time to strike back! Repeat after me: There is no God. There are plenty of pixie fairies though. QED.

[Moontanman]

Sure it does. After all, the theists and the polytheists have been using that sort of defense of their assumptions for millenia. And they could never, ever be wrong, so everyone else must be.

 

Now it's time to strike back! Repeat after me: There is no God. There are plenty of pixie fairies though. QED.

 

Your premise will get no argument from me but your way of proving it leaves quite a bit to be desired. :)

[freeztar]

Sure it does. After all, the theists and the polytheists have been using that kind of logic for millenia. And we all know they could never be wrong, so everyone else must be.

 

Now it's time to strike back! Repeat after me: There is no God.

 

I don't believe in god(s), Reaper. There's no evidence to suggest that god(s) exist. However, I see no evidence for why god(s) might not exist as well. Since we cannot know the answer, I choose to believe that there is not god(s), but I don't deny the possibility. This is not a contradiction, but rather a logical conclusion. Thus, I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I have heard the "pure" atheist argument and I'm just unwilling to make that leap of faith. :)

 

So, I will repeat after you, "There is no God", but if evidence presents itself to the contrary, I will abandon the parade. I don't expect that to happen, but I abhor absolutism.

[REASON]

I think Reaper understands you freez and Moon. Of course you're correct. He's just having fun being difficult in the face of those who have so often made the same claim from a thiest point of view. And you know how irritating that can be. :)

[freeztar]

He's just having fun...

 

Me too. :)

[Moontanman]

Me too. :)

 

Me three:hihi:

[nutronjon]

And from my first response to you regarding this assertion of yours I ask you to explain what the significance is of defining God as nature, and you have yet to reply.

 

It's always the same, "by studying nature, we can infer something about God."

 

What?

 

By studying matter we can infer that God is made of tiny particles.

By studying motion we can infer that God moves.

By studying rocks we can infer that God is hard.

By studying gases and liquids we can infer that God is fluid.

By studying evolution we can infer that God changes over time.

By studying energy we can infer that God is conserved and only changes form.

 

etc., etc, etc.

 

What does it mean scientifically to label these things about nature God. It has been asked over and over and over again.

 

You don't have an answer. Do you know why?

 

There isn't one.

 

God only exists as a personal consideration.

 

Oh for goodness sakes, I have other things to do than spend my days reading every post. Besides that, I once enjoyed these forums, and spent as much time as I could here, but since getting into this God debate, I have found so many of you to be so disagreeable and offensive, that I only come here when I have nothing else to do and that is not very often. It really doesn't matter how right you all are, when people are turned off by how you say it.

 

To all of you, I would like to say, only your definition of God doesn't exist. My definition of God does exist. God is the substance of universe, and we know of it by studying it. And why think of God as the substance of the universe? To get away from false and superstitious beliefs and to know truth.

 

I should add to this, accepting the existence of God, as the X factor of the universe, and keeps our minds open to the unknown. People who think they can know absolute truth, are absolutely dangerous. When we are speaking of God we can speak of things that are outside of science and when we do this, we can advance our civilizations and come closer to the human potential. The real reason I haven't been here much, is I found a forum that I find more meaningful and important to our future than this one. Science without philosophy is being smart by not wise, and that is not a good thing.