Insistence on the Clarification of History on Holocaust, etc.

[Fatstep]

fascist Zionism must also be held accountable to these criminalities.

 

So, basically you want to zionists to suffer, punish violence with violence.

[Lancaster]

So, basically you want to zionists to suffer, punish violence with violence.

 

Good point.

 

 

Also, are you saying that Zionists are responsible for the Nazi atrocities? How can you make that claim? Are the Nazis zionists? I'm at a loss, here.

[TheBigDog]

Good point.

 

 

Also, are you saying that Zionists are responsible for the Nazi atrocities? How can you make that claim? Are the Nazis zionists? I'm at a loss, here.

Everyone knows the Jews control the government and the media. Why should Nazi Germany be any different? :phones:

 

Bill

[rocket art]

Hey this is strange, some culprit deliberately created this thread and I did not even do it!

 

Whoever did this obviously has agenda and attempt to sow lies by making it look that I'm the one making this thread, or showing some kind of influence. Strange indeed, people glimpse at what fanaticism can do.

 

Anyway, people should know that I didn't make this thread and someone did it to make it look like I did it. May he finally wake up and discover that the dilemma is not with me or anybody else but on himself/herself.

[Buffy]

In response to the title of this thread I ask, "How are they responsible?" Are they responsible for the number being so high or so low?

I modified the thread title a bit. My understanding of rocket art's argument is that the Nazi's sole motivation for the Holocaust was Zionist philosophy, and that they were aided and abetted by the Zionists in carrying out the Holocaust.

 

We're all kinda asking rocket for some clarification because he's made some oblique statements that need to be interpreted.

 

rocket art: I moved this because it was off topic, and while I asked you to move the discussion elsewhere, that did not happen. If you wish to change the title of the thread, I'm happy to do so, but remember that part of the reason its here at all is to address specifically these claims which several members have asked for clarification on. Obfuscation and blurring of the "facts" however are central issues, and giving it a purposely obscure title might backfire!

 

Open for debate,

Buffy

[rocket art]

So how do I change the title? I did not make it and it is not in line with what I have in mind and neither is this fair.

 

Did I insist only 30,000 victims died in the holocaust? NO

 

Do I believe that zionist are solely responsible for it? NO

 

This title is a malicious attempt and an arorgant move to false accusation.

 

Tell me how to change this title because the one that's written is not my opinion and it is a LIE.

[Buffy]

So how do I change the title? I did not make it and it is not in line with what I have in mind and neither is this fair.

As I said, you let me know and I'll be happy to change it. Its your thread now! You get to lead!

 

Fairnunbalanced,

Buffy

[rocket art]

Buffy, change the title to: "Insistence on the Clarification about History on Holocaust, etc.", right now!

 

Thanks.

[infamous]

As I said, you let me know and I'll be happy to change it. Its your thread now! You get to lead!

 

Fairnunbalanced,

Buffy

Excellent Buffy; If I'm not mistaken, I think the correct term for this special occasion should be:

 

Put up or shut up!

 

.......................................Infy

[TheBigDog]

So how do I change the title? I did not make it and it is not in line with what I have in mind and neither is this fair.

 

Did I insist only 30,000 victims died in the holocaust? NO

 

Do I believe that zionist are solely responsible for it? NO

 

This title is a malicious attempt and an arorgant move to false accusation.

 

Tell me how to change this title because the one that's written is not my opinion and it is a LIE.

I changed it for you RA. I am left with two questions...

 

What is the number? What is the level of responsibility? (%)

 

Thanks

 

Bill

[Buffy]

...There were indeed deaths, but supposedly account to about 30,000 and most of these were supposedly accounted in zionist-run concentration camps because the authorities there corruptedly embezzled the funds for food and supplies. Adolf Eichmann was a zionist symphatizer and even made deals with zionists.

 

Did I insist only 30,000 victims died in the holocaust? NO

I guess you didn't "insist" but you did make the claim.... I'll also grant that you did not explicitly state that you "deny" the Holocaust, but there is an argument that says that stating that the well-established evidence of the numbers is some sort of vast Zionist conspiracy to hide the truth is denial of *somthing*. As several others have asked, what is your evidence supporting this 30,000 figure? Its interesting of course that even those at the center of the Final Solution did not deny its factuality, only that they were "not responsible."

Do I believe that zionist are solely responsible for it? NO

You're right, you imply that Eichmann did it but you make the unsupported claim that he was a Zionist. That really doesn't make any sense when you think about it of course: Zionism--the movement to create a Jewish state--was the opposite of what the Final Solution was all about, which was ridding the Reich of its Jews and other undesirables; why would they want a state that would be able to then fight back? Eichmann sure didn't leave any obvious evidence of this and was happy to slice and dice Zionists along with non-political Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, etc.

 

This title is a malicious attempt and an arorgant move to false accusation.

As far as I can tell, its exactly what you stated in the quote above. I know when its called out you might be embarrassed, but that's your problem. Either you do think what you clearly said, or you made some sort of mistake for some reason.

 

We all just want some clarification....

 

And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state, :phones:

Buffy

[rocket art]

So, basically you want to zionists to suffer, punish violence with violence.

 

They have already caused much suffering, and basing on the views I mentioned, may even be suffering themselves. It may be necessarily to deal with it at individual level. as an individual do you personally see that justice will be served by continuing the suffering, or by punishing violence with violence?

 

Everyone knows the Jews control the government and the media. Why should Nazi Germany be any different?

 

Pardon, although there could be basis to your statement, but I think this is a sweeping generalization and it may not be fair to all concerned, except for some.

 

I changed it for you RA. I am left with two questions...

 

What is the number? What is the level of responsibility? (%)

 

Thanks

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill.

 

Give me some time to reply on other issues, shedule is tight for the moment.BRB

[infamous]

 

 

 

Pardon, although there could be basis to your statement, but I think this is a sweeping generalization and it may not be fair to all concerned, except for some.

 

 

 

Thanks Bill.

 

 

Do you understand the meaning of sarcasm rr? I think not!

 

..................................Infy

[rocket art]

I guess you didn't "insist" but you did make the claim....

 

Hey geesh, I said "supposedly".

 

Anyway while you folks are on it, may as well start browsing at YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. or Google Video for reliable video documentaries about these with tags: zionism, nazism, holocaust etc.

[Lancaster]

Hey geesh, I said "supposedly".

 

Anyway while you folks are on it, may as well start browsing at YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. or Google Video for reliable video documentaries about these with tags: zionism, nazism, holocaust etc.

 

I've got a better idea. How about you actually defend your point instead of changing the subject and giving us links to sites with millions of videos that were not made by you?

 

If you have a position on this subject defend it!

[Pyrotex]

Ok. I didn't argue :phones: , atrocities indeed occured against Jews, and that tens of thousands did lost their lives (by corrupt zionist-run concentration camps with nazi-zionist collaboration, which obviously was used as propaganda for their advantage at the expense of their victims). Neither did I hijack this thread, ...

That's it. You did so hijack this thread, and then you "altered the history" of what you did. The same way you try to "alter the history" of the holocaust.

 

You are repetitive and boring and without any evidence whatsoever. There were no "zionists" prior to the end of World War II. There could have been no nazi-zionist collaborations. Sheer poppycock and stupidity. The SS built and ran the death camps. The evidence for this is mountainous, concrete, absolute. Only "mental cases" would believe they could make all this evidence go away.

 

So, either defend your point with honesty and integrity--or go away.

[rocket art]

That's it. You did so hijack this thread, and then you "altered the history" of what you did. The same way you try to "alter the history" of the holocaust.

 

English may be my 2nd language, but I understand what "reverse" (sometimes, a mirror's reflection can be shocking!) and "racism" means. please do your research, there are obviously many available data in there to prove that I didn't start "altering the history (wish I did)." :naughty: Just mirroring what many have already said.

 

You are repetitive and boring and without any evidence whatsoever.

 

That's funny, your hysterical reaction to my otherwise 'repetitive and boring' views definitely aren't.

 

There were no "zionists" prior to the end of World War II.There could have been no nazi-zionist collaborations. Sheer poppycock and stupidity. The SS built and ran the death camps. The evidence for this is mountainous, concrete, absolute. Only "mental cases" would believe they could make all this evidence go away.

 

 

Zionism was coined as early as 1890's. To try to understand your closemindedness amidst the growing clamor (although not as treated with much hype compared with the Iraqi WMD by puppet media) around the world for clarification, and growing evidences regarding these matters, may be attempted.

 

So, either defend your point with honesty and integrity--or go away.

 

Hopefully, such means must be achieved. But the recent revelations of otherwise supressed informations with the advent of internet, wishing to let the issue go away, may seem like an itch that cannot be reached.

 

I've got a better idea. How about you actually defend your point instead of changing the subject and giving us links to sites with millions of videos that were not made by you?

 

If you have a position on this subject defend it!

 

Learn insights with the links from millions of videos is a better idea too, and to disregard it in this discussion with the excuse that I did not make it may seem motivated and may not be a better idea either.

 

In case it was not noticed I have actually defended my point with an original concept that dealing with the complexity of the matter such as this needs to be tackled at the individual level. I have always been consistent with my original views and I have positioned myself, as an independent thinking individual, with concepts that I generously posted in this website with my compositions on 'Culturism' and what I term as Rocket's Theory. My reply to your request is review, right now, on these original viewpoints that I posted so we could communicate better. I assure you everything I discuss have been consistent with my viewpoints. In fact, the fiery testing for my philosophical views, even with complex matters such as these, has begun.