What you make of these Mathmatics.

[arkain101]

The source refers to these math stratagies as Vedic Mathematics.

Some of it seems usefull. Other stuff I dunno..

 

 

Here are some examples.

 

97 x 97 = 97 – 3 / 3 x 3

 

= 94 / 09

 

 

96 x 96 = 96 – 4 / 4 x 4

 

= 92 / 16.

 

What if we enlarged our numbers to 998 squared?

 

It is close to 1,000 so we say Base 1,000 and know to have 3 digits on the right hand side of the ( / ).

 

998 x 998 = 998 – 2 / 2 x 2

 

= 996 / _ _ 4

 

= 996 / 004

 

= 996,004.

 

Understanding this, you can be calculating digits in the millions:

 

9998 x 9998 = 9998 – 2 / 2 x 2

 

= 9996 / _ _ _ 4

 

= 9996 / 0004

 

= 99,960,004.

 

(Since we are in Base 10,000 the 4 Zeroes determine the need for 4 digits after the ( / ).

 

Numbers that end in 5 follow the, "By one more than the first" rule.

25 x 25 = 2 “By” 3 / ........

 

= 2 x 3 / ........ To this we tag on the last digit “5” squared:

 

= 2 x 3 / 5 x 5

 

= 6 / 25

 

Thus the answer is 625.

 

 

35 x 35 = 3 x 4 / 5 x 5 = 12 / 25 = 1,225

 

45 x 45 = 4 x 5 / 5 x 5 = 20 / 25 = 2,025

 

55 x 55 = 5 x 6 / 5 x 5 = 30 / 25 = 3,025

 

 

 

When you apply a simple Sutra (One of 16) known as Sammucaya or Digital Sums or Digital Compression to the endless Fibonacci Sequence that generates the Phi Ratio, a whole universe of self-similarity appears and clearly reveals the heretofore hidden pattern or distinct periodicty of 24 recurring digits:

 

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987 etc.

 

By Digital Reduction or the mere adding of these above Fibonacci Numbers e.g. 144 = 1 + 4 + 4 = 9, we generate a continuous infinite series of 24 repeating single digits:

 

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 4, 3, 7, 1, 8, 9, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 8, 1

 

Then we take the last 12 of these and place them beneath the first 12 digits and observe that there are really 12 Pairs of 9 (a major connection with D.N.A):

 

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 4, 3, 7, 1, 8,

9, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 8, 1

[arkain101]

who would post such a crappy thread.. someone should delete it.. :lol:

[tmaromine]

who would post such a crappy thread.. someone should delete it.. :lol:

 

 

 

Bah.

 

I only just understand it ; it seems like an interesting idea, and something I'd like to play around with for the heck of it. It has a neat easy-complexity to it, once one grasps it. But other than my interest of it, I can't elaborate any more. :D

[Ryndanangnysen]

I think that Vedic Math is way more superior then the very clumpsy and akward '' conventional math".

 

Once you get the hang of it, you can see how beautifull and integreted it all is! And how much more effective!

 

Once you really understand how to work with Vedic maths, "conventional math" is just a laughing matter in all its stupidity,

 

and really, should be asap be banned from all schools! 

[Pmb]

Vedic math is not different than conventional math. Vedic math is really a way to rapid mental calculations of arithmetic. So its really mental arithmetic, not mental math. Math and arithmetic are different things. Look up the definitions of those terms in Wikipedia and you'll see what I mean.

[Ryndanangnysen]

Vedic math is not different than conventional math. Vedic math is really a way to rapid mental calculations of arithmetic. So its really mental arithmetic, not mental math. Math and arithmetic are different things. Look up the definitions of those terms in Wikipedia and you'll see what I mean.

 

 

Not different??? That gave me a laugh! it is COMPLETELY different in the way you solve math problems!

 

No, it is not only mental arithmetic. You  can even do calculus with it, way way faster!

 

I am sure you never studied the beautifull system of Vedic Mathematics.

 

Way way way better then the extremely stupid conventional mathematics ( btw used to dumb us down!)

[Ryndanangnysen]

Can someone solve the following equation the stupid conventional way? And show us here?

 

 

Afterwards I will show how it is done by Vedic ( Galactic)  Math!

 

 

1/(x+4) + 1/(x+3)=1/(x+2) + 1/(x+5)

[Pmb]

Ryndanangnysen - You laugh too easily without thinking. In this case you made a fool out of yourself. You can't fool me because not only do I have a degree in physics but I also have a degree in math. You made the mistake of thinking that Vedic math is different than conventional math and that's what is laughable. Vedic math AS I ALREADY EXPLAINED is a METHOD for calculating faster by using mental techniques. But that math is the same. Not knowing that comes from your ignorance of advanced mathematics. If you were actually a mathematician this conversation would never have arisen because a mathematician would never make such a bogus mistake.

[Ryndanangnysen]

Ryndanangnysen - You laugh too easily without thinking. In this case you made a fool out of yourself. You can't fool me because not only do I have a degree in physics but I also have a degree in math. You made the mistake of thinking that Vedic math is different than conventional math and that's what is laughable. Vedic math AS I ALREADY EXPLAINED is a METHOD for calculating faster by using mental techniques. But that math is the same. Not knowing that comes from your ignorance of advanced mathematics. If you were actually a mathematician this conversation would never have arisen because a mathematician would never make such a bogus mistake.

 

Well, well, well, lot's to say here! 

 

 

Ryndanangnysen - You laugh too easily without thinking

 

Well, You assume to know me which you don't. And you really have no clue if I have thinking it over.

Furthermore, this is nothing more then an Ad Hominem, which is an invalid argument and mostly only used if one has no

arguments left OR if their religion (in this case 'science') is being attacked.

 

 

 You can't fool me because not only do I have a degree in physics but I also have a degree in math.

 

Now this is a very funny one. First I am not out to fool anyone. Secondly that you start mentioning your indoctrinations 

is nothing more then the logical fallacy of the appeal to authority. That means it doesn't mean a thing.

But just for the record, people who shout they can't be fooled are the most easily fooled.

Furthermore, considering your indoctrination, I do understand that Vedic or Galactic math is a threat for you.

Suddenly understanding that you have lost years with rubbish! Yes, rubbish!

You see, your indoctrination into ahum physics and math has dumbed you down. All provable so.

(Just look at your logical flaws above).

But I know you will never admit that, so you can keep feeling smart, but you really aren't.

 

This is really what science  is about:

 

 

Contrary to popular belief, scientific education does not require any intelligent thought, it's about "remembering" what science taught you. It's this remembering that makes you feel smart - even if you're not.

 

 

 

Furthermore, WHY haven't you solved the equation the stupid conventional way? can't you?

 

Come'on I think you can because you are indoctrinated into mathematics!

 

 

I will wait.

[Ryndanangnysen]

There ya go!

 

There is a world-wide debate currently raging about the efficacy of Vedic Mathematics versus the crumbling foundations of Western Mathematics.
Generally speaking, the theorems we all learned at school are not wrong but clumsy. Some of the Western geometrical formulae are certainly wrong or inadequate: for example, the formulae for sphere packing in the higher dimensions increase up to the 6th Dimension then suddenly decrease for higher dimensions, which is simply absurd.
Unfortunately, some die-hard senior mathematicians in an attempt to protect the crumbling foundations that they now stand on feel threatened by the lightning quick mental calculations of the Vedic seers, and go to great lengths to deride Vedic maths as a "bag of tricks". And of course, many insecure teachers worldwide are afraid to rewrite all their course material.

 

Edited July 21, 2015 by Ryndanangnysen

[CraigD]

Can someone solve the following equation the stupid conventional way? And show us here?

 

1/(x+4) + 1/(x+3)=1/(x+2) + 1/(x+5)

One of many algebraic way to find the values of x for which

[math]\frac{1}{x+4} + \frac{1}{x+3} = \frac{1}{x+2} + \frac{1}{x+5}[/math]

is true is:

add [math]-\frac1{x+2} -\frac1{x+5}[/math] to both sides:

[math]\frac{1}{x+4} + \frac{1}{x+3} - \frac{1}{x+2} - \frac{1}{x+5} = 0[/math]

 

multiply each term to have all terms have same denominator:

[math]\frac{(x+3)(x+2)(x+5) +(x+4)(x+2)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+2)}{(x+4)(x+3)(x+2)(x+5)} =0 [/math]

 

multiply both sides by [math](x+4)(x+3)(x+2)(x+5)[/math]:

[math](x+3)(x+2)(x+5) +(x+4)(x+2)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+2) =0 [/math]

 

multiply all binomials:

[math](x^3+10x^2+31x+30) +(x^3+11x^2+38x+40) -(x^3+12x^2+47x+60) -(x^3+9x^2+26x+24) = 0[/math]

 

add terms with common [math]x^{exponent}[/math]:

[math]-4x -14 = 0[/math]

 

Add [math]14[/math] to both sides and divide both sides by [math]-4[/math]:

[math]x = \frac{-7}{2}[/math]

 

Afterwards I will show how it is done by Vedic ( Galactic) Math!

Please do!

 

Like Pmb, I gather that what most people understand “Vedic math” to mean is to quote this Wikipedia article about a “a list of mental calculation techniques claimed to be based on the Vedas”, not techniques for rearranging equations to find the values of variable terms.

 

You seem to mean something different. I’m curious to see what you mean.

[Ryndanangnysen]

One of many algebraic way to find the values of x for which

[math]\frac{1}{x+4} + \frac{1}{x+3} = \frac{1}{x+2} + \frac{1}{x+5}[/math]

is true is:

add [math]-\frac1{x+2} -\frac1{x+5}[/math] to both sides:

[math]\frac{1}{x+4} + \frac{1}{x+3} - \frac{1}{x+2} - \frac{1}{x+5} = 0[/math]

 

multiply each term to have all terms have same denominator:

[math]\frac{(x+3)(x+2)(x+5) +(x+4)(x+2)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+2)}{(x+4)(x+3)(x+2)(x+5)} =0 [/math]

 

multiply both sides by [math](x+4)(x+3)(x+2)(x+5)[/math]:

[math](x+3)(x+2)(x+5) +(x+4)(x+2)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+5) -(x+4)(x+3)(x+2) =0 [/math]

 

multiply all binomials:

[math](x^3+10x^2+31x+30) +(x^3+11x^2+38x+40) -(x^3+12x^2+47x+60) -(x^3+9x^2+26x+24) = 0[/math]

 

add terms with common [math]x^{exponent}[/math]:

[math]-4x -14 = 0[/math]

 

Add [math]14[/math] to both sides and divide both sides by [math]-4[/math]:

[math]x = \frac{-7}{2}[/math]

 

 

Ok, thanks mate! Much appreciated!

 

But what a clumpsy mess it is! with of course with a great change of making lots of errors!

 

This is how vedic Math works in this case:

 

 

 

 

In the equation

 

1/(x+4) + 1/(x+3)=1/(x+2) + 1/(x+5)

 

We see that

 

the left hand side : x+4+x+3=2x+7

 

And at the right hand side:x+2+x+5=2x+7

 

Both the same!

 

That means we can use the sutra: 

 

"When the samuccaya is the same that samuccaya is zero"

 

That means 2x+7=0 2x=-7 x=-7/2

 

Voila! That is a LOT QUICKER than the conventional way!

 

won't you say?

 

 

 

And about wikipedia, well lets say it isn't as trustworthy as a lot of people think. And that is kind of an understatement.

Edited July 21, 2015 by Ryndanangnysen

[Ryndanangnysen]

btw the best thing to do to understand Vedic maths is working with it.

As long as ypu won't work with it, you can't appreciate the system.

Only having criticism etc and not using it or try it, is not the way to go.

 

Just use the system for a while

However, I must also say that people who have studied mathematics ( i did!, most stupid thing I did in my life).

will have more problems understanding it, because that stupid conventional system is in the way. At least at the beginning.

So, I won't take any criticism serious from people who have leanerd math at university level;, because, they are not able to comprehend it, Unless they unlearn the very awkard and stupid conventional mathematics.

[Ryndanangnysen]

Now, Can please someone

 

calculate the equation of the line with points (5, 3) and (2, 7).?

 

the conventional way. Then afterwards I will show the Vedic or Galactic math way.

[Ryndanangnysen]

"I only had heard about Vedic Maths. I knew it was fast and easy. But it is entirely different since I experience it. It's much easier, simpler, faster, more interesting, more exciting, and full of fun. I feel overwhelmed by the power of this Vedic Math- not known or heard before. I feel the more I delve into it, more treasure I am getting from it. I just don't want to come out of this most exciting, funfilled moments of my life. I told my brother, nephew, my son, and my family about this, and I said this Math is so much fun I never imagined before. I am simply excited about it, and want to keep doing it forever. I really want to share this magical maths with lot of people, and change their approach towards it. I want to help lot of students master some of the most difficult topics of Math using Vedic Math. I am totally excited about learning this new Math."Tarlika Desai, Maths Teacher, USA

 

"Introduced my students of 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade to subtraction using all from 9 and the last from 10 for subtracting numbers near a base. They just loved the method. During the maths lab activity I had combined all the students together. And using this method the 1st grade students could compete with 2nd and 3rd grade students with the speed which I had not imagined. When I started learning VM 5 years back, there was a misconception that VM is only for high school students. But this training has proved it wrong. I can introduce even 1st grade students to VM and the results are amazing. They have started loving maths."

Shylashree Ravishankar, Teacher, India

 

"The more I am learning the more awed I feel about the simplicity of the Vedic System. I shared one of the addition technique with some my students and reactions on their faces were amazing. One common question they all had was when this method is so simple and can be done mentally why are we taught the cumbersome method in the school? I told them that this system was lost/ignored for many many years and now people have realized their importance and would be used more and more. I am having a wonderful experience of learning and teaching........can't wait for the next set of lessons!!"

Mudaliar Shraddha, Teacher, USA

 

"If I'd have had VM 15 years ago it would have saved our family years of grief and stress. We homeschool and math has been the thorn in our side since grade 2. Everything was made to be hard and difficult. How beautiful and simple VM is! At first I was annoyed that we wasted so much time, but now I am grateful to have had the experience of going through the transitional route as now we can see clearly the beauty of VM and how blessed my youngest child and my students will be to experience VM very young. "

Sonya Post, Teacher, USA

 

Even our weakest maths student Sukaran mastered it so well that he remarked, "Come what may, I can never get the question of simultaneous equations wrong in the GCSE examination"."

Rajni Obhrai, maths teacher, U.K. (quoting a student)

 

"All I can hear from them is "wow" and they get frenzy when they started to be able to solve math problems up to 4-digits times 4-digits multiplication in their heads. Some students approach me expressed how thankful they are that I teach them Vedic Math. They were already in their 3rd year level and still struggling in their multiplication skills and this is a relief for them."

Rosendo Jr. Agulto, Philippines

 

VERY WELL PUT!!

 

"But the interesting part of it is once you start doing it you start understanding the power of VM and you just get drawn towards it. And the coherence and the simplicity of the methods....it's pretty much like a novel, you start at the first page, you just cannot stop until the last page - it's very similar to that. Once you get into it you just don't want to stop because it's so powerful."

Lalit Shah: from a TV interview, 5th August 2012

 

Well, need I say more? Let the case speak for itself.

 

"One young girl, aged 9 was brought here by her mother and was very unwilling to have anything to do with me. She was crying. I let her cry for a while and then told her that we would either have to ask her mother to pick her up, or we should get on with our lesson. She turned around and said that she would have a lesson. That girl was at the bottom of the class in maths, she had very low self esteem, had talked of killing herself on more than one occasion and was seeing a therapist.

Within a few weeks she was learning at a rate that I found astounding, she was at the top of the class, excelling in English, no more therapist, achieving in sport and an all round delight of a child.

I told her mother that she didn't need any more lessons, but the mother told me that the family needed her to continue having lessons with me. She is now pushing me to learn more and more Vedic maths to keep up with her insatiable appetite for mathematics."

Vera Stevens, maths teacher. Australia

 

makes you wonder...

 

"I have been teaching a neighbors kid (8 year old) some VM on the fly. He was so impressed by the system that he decided to make VM his 3rd grade science project - "Is Vedic Math better than Conventional math". Then he called 4 or 5 of his friends, taught them some concepts and timed them. The result of his project was VM is faster and more fun. In one specific instance the time came down from 7 min to 45 seconds..."

[Jalaj M. went on to win first place with this project in the 2012 Science Fair.]

Lalit Shah, USA.

Edited July 24, 2015 by CraigD

[Pmb]

I'm happy to see that Ryndanangynsen was banned. It's comforting to know that those people who are rude and insulting will eventually pay the price for it if they keep on doing it. My compliments to the moderators for making me feel safer being here. :)

[CraigD]

I'm happy to see that Ryndanangynsen was banned. It's comforting to know that those people who are rude and insulting will eventually pay the price for it if they keep on doing it. My compliments to the moderators for making me feel safer being here. :)

Applause again to Buffy for showing Ryndanangynsen the door.

 

Though the messenger proved unfit for our company, I think the subject, “Vedic Math”, and the

[math]\frac{1}{x+4} + \frac{1}{x+3} = \frac{1}{x+2} + \frac{1}{x+5}[/math]

example from post #11, are interesting.

 

“Vedic Math” looks to me to be a labor of love by a small (3 people, most notably Kenneth Williams) company of legitimate math educators, inspired by and started a few years after Hindu cleric Bharati Krishna Tirthaji’s 1965 book Vedic Math. This page has a brief “what is” description of it. It’s legitimate promoters don’t present it as a refutation or replacement for conventional math, but a complementary pedagogical approach to teaching math to young children though teaching interesting and rewarding tricks of mental calculation.

 

The equation is a specific case of the general

[math]\frac{1}{x+a} + \frac{1}{x+b} = \frac{1}{x+c} + \frac{1}{x+(a+b-c)}[/math]

The “voila! a LOT QUICKER” solution Ryndanangynsen gave is true given [math]a \not= b[/math]. The proof is trivial, coming from

[math]\frac{1}{x+a} + \frac{1}{x+b} = 0 = \frac{1}{x+c} + \frac{1}{x+(a+b-c)}[/math]

which boils down to there being a single solution to [math](x+a) +(x+b ) =0[/math]

 

It gets more interesting when you look at a more general

[math]\frac{1}{ex+a} + \frac{1}{fx+b} = 0 = \frac{1}{gx+c} + \frac{1}{(e+f-g)hx+(a+b-c)}[/math]

Which has 3 solutions, one of them the “easy” VM one. The proof is less trivial (meaning I spent an hour at it and got stuck, but tried enough example values to be convinced the proof is out there :) )

 

More general yet

[math]\sum_{n=1}^{m} \frac{1}{a_nx+b_n} \,=\, 0[/math]

has solution [math]x=-\frac{\sum_{n=1}^{m} b_n}{\sum_{n=1}^{m}a_n}[/math]

but only when [math]m[/math] is even. When [math]m[/math] is odd, the “middle” fraction is undefined (has a zero denominator).