Souls, "Energy", and Consciousness

[LJP07]

This discussion concerns, souls, energy and how this relates with our consciousness if in any way. Energy in this sense refers to what people claim to be meft over after the death of a human, energy that remains by which some people claim to say it can be easily located, maybe in a household for example. Souls is another common word used throughout any lifetimes existance and it normally refers to some immortal existance that remains from the body of the dead person.

 

Do these souls actually exist or are they what some atheist people claim are manifestations of the deeply religious corner of life. People claim to feel energy and that it emanates the region where this person was. Consciousness plays a part in this because if we are dead and unconscious, what does this actually mean for our body, hence is there a relation with "energy" and souls.

 

If souls were to exist or energy then I can't understand why there wouldn't be more common occurences, from this I conclude that they don't exist. Many people who enter a home claim to feel the presence of that person, I believe like Atheists/Agnostics that these are in fact manifestations of the mind but does one or two manifestations account for all occurences accounted for? I would encourage and opinion or possibly experience that you may have in relation to any of the above.

[Boerseun]

I don't believe in souls or anything that can survive outside the body. If we have eternal souls, where were we before birth? Do you have any recollection of a life (or anything) before your birth? That's about the same that will exist after your death. Not eternal darkness and silence, because that implies a consciousness able to register time passing. There is nothing. Nothing at all, and you won't even be aware of the fact that there's nothing.

 

Feeling someone's presence in an empty house could have something to do with the sense of smell. The only people sensing the presence of a specific person, is people who knew that person. They knew his smell. Now, considering that roughly 90% of dust inside an average house is dead skin cells, you should 'perceive' the person's presence until the whole place is vacuumed and washed down. Our sense of smell is very bad, but subconsciously, you identify people based on their individual smells, too. And if you walk into a house that's filled with a person's dead skin cells, well, there you go. No souls, though.

[Queso]

Soul is what happens when consciousness evolves to a point of self awareness, where we are right now.

 

The soul is a projection of the psyche, like magick!

 

It's only there if you believe it. Showing us how creative us monkeys are :]

[jungjedi]

Soul is what happens when consciousness evolves to a point of self awareness, where we are right now.

 

The soul is a projection of the psyche, like magick!

 

It's only there if you believe it. Showing us how creative us monkeys are :]

 

I would still like an electic schematic of what goes on with the soul

Electricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[zkid15]

i dont know much about this subject scientificly but one thing is for sure

 

if humans only use about 20% of there brains and everyone uses different parts then maby anything is posible...

maby a rare group of people can sense other things than most...

and what would happen if we used 100% thats kinda off topic but i think if we did use 100% of our brains we would know the exact answer to the question of souls and energy...

 

on another note...i belive that energy is left over but not souls...

[snoopy]

I think this one is too easy to dismiss so I will play devils advocate.

 

You cant scientifically dismiss the soul. All the laws that should explain how the brain operates are known. But science is at a loss to explain how conciousness is created by the brain. Yes they can explain how neurons and dendrites operate but as to why all this junk in our heads leads to individuals such as you and I its a mystery.

 

Also the Psychiatric profession are not so quick to entirely dismiss the notion of soul just the more modern interpretation of it as being immortal. The original Jewish religon contained souls that were mortal and died when your body did. Soul in this interpretaion can be taken to mean your pysche or the part of you that is the thinking you and I dont mean by that just your brain. The brain has many functions like regulating your body temperature but you dont have to constantly think of this. Your brain does it automatically and just as well as it would be exhauasting regulating all your biological functions conciously.

 

Obviously the soul if there is one resides in the brain but the brain is just the machinery your soul runs on. Its not your soul. An analogy would be with a computer. The computer doesnt do anything at all until a program is run on it so your soul would be like a computer program.

 

Still doesnt help you survive death the information that made the thinking you unique would disintegrate shortly after you died. But hey no solution is perfect. :)

[Queso]

http://hypography.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1491&catid=newimages

[Boerseun]

Snoopy, if you liken the 'soul' to a computer program, then you're saying that the soul is the result of a certain organisation of neurons and alignment of synapses.

 

Which obviously disproves the popular notion of a soul as anything more! Because then, what we believe a sould to be, it nothing more and nothing less than the result of a certain organisation of neurons and alignment of synapses - which is exactly what we've been saying all along. There's nothing mysterious about it.

[jungjedi]

rhat looked alot alike when i was beemed aboard the alien starship-cathedral.only my balls wernt hangin out like in the picture:naughty:

[Queso]

rhat looked alot alike when i was beemed aboard the alien starship-cathedral.only my balls wernt hangin out like in the picture:naughty:

 

You had contact with aliens?

 

*cough cough DMT cough*

[jungjedi]

yes i have.it was like being aboard a starship or a reaaly cool disco.loved it

[Queso]

yes i have.it was like being aboard a starship or a reaaly cool disco.loved it

 

I know exactly what you're talking about.

Did you hear them communicate by any chance?

[jungjedi]

got to wear electric boots.solid walls of sound.

[LJP07]

Speaking of consciousness and using 20% of your brain apparently, what about Deja Vu? Many people seem to think they think beforehand on what actions they happen to take and reinact them in real life.

 

The last sentence actually shows why it's not true no matter what the experiences that I've heard. If you have thought about something say in a dream, you have entered that location but also a possible conversation so to speak. If we go to this area or person, were bound to subconsciously reinact a situationour brain has previously become familiar with, and we realise it's " Deja Vu" when it's finished, just like the dream, it ends and like the dream when it's finished.

 

We account for it by thinking of it and so it's so shocking that we think we predetermined it, which ultimately results in no Deja Vu although many people believe in it.

[Pyrotex]

Recent studies using MRI and PET show that we use all of our brains. Some parts work harder (absorb more oxygen) when we are doing different tasks, like reading, listening to music, trying to remember phone numbers, etc.

 

Where the belief that we use only 10% or 20% of our brain came from, I don't know, but I do know that it did not come from any objective test.

[LJP07]

Where the belief that we use only 10% or 20% of our brain came from, I don't know, but I do know that it did not come from any objective test.

 

True, whether or not this is true or not still makes Deja Vu experiences null and void. I've never actually read any source that has ever claimed this, looks like we do actually use all our brains possible functions after all. Exploiting them might be a different kettle of fish in some peoples minds though.

[zkid15]

wow i have deja vu at least once a week...its gotten to the point where i dont even see it as a big deal...but i dont know if it is deja vu cuz when it happens i just remember that same thing happening before...ex. i was on a bus with my moms school and my dad walked onto the bus and handed me 20 dollors to go see a movie...and i rememberd that happening to me but it never had...its always small things and thats why i belive in phycics because if sometimes i feel like ive seen something b4 in a dream i couldnt remember but when it happend my brain triggers and i remember then theres a posibillity of something as crazy as phycics:eek_big: