mhc70 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 I stumbled across this while searching the web for 'kinetic energy'. Richard P. Olenick, author of "Beyond the Mechanical Universe: From Electricity to Modern Physics", said this in a review of a new source of energy... The third use of benoullis principle had been achieved which has the potential to place solid matter in continuios motion and to achieve more horse power on the down work path than on the up return path due to the difference in travel time. It does appear you can gain power on the down work path then transmit it to an energy storage device. Claims it can run non stop after the intial stored energy starts it. A 5000kw generator uses 750kw to run, the remaining 4250kw is stored until needed. I know this is abroad subject I am just interested in your opinions. I believe the technology to revolutionize energy as we know it has already been discovered, what do you think? Quote
Buffy Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 You've mixed two questions here. One is easy: No perpetual motion machines (i.e. those that claim "will work non-stop after the intial stored energy starts it") do not and cannot work, due to the Second law of thermodynamics. There are oodles of threads here at Hypography about this subject: search for "perpetual motion" as a starting point. On the other hand, there's lots of potential for new energy sources, and its a really interesting topic. Heck, we know that "matter-anti-matter reaction" would be a *great* new energy source, we just don't know where to get a big enough supply of anti-matter! I can pretty much assure you though that the principle described in your post is not one of them.... Looking under the right rocks,Buffy Quote
mhc70 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Posted April 3, 2007 I have heard of the "perpetual motion" device, was not impressed. Ever heard of the dynalever? Richard P. Olenick “As a physicist, I can say with some expertise that the physics behind the second design, “ (the DYNALEVER,) ”is based on classical mechanics. However, I believe that physicists and engineers should take a new look at the underlying laws and principles pertaining to his technology and devices. I can see no violation of any existing physical laws: the simplicity of his design and the apparent results of the model perhaps opens up new applications of ‘well-understood’ phenomena.” Quote
Buffy Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Oh my. That's one amusing site! I'll take whatever he's having:We need 'like-minded' entities, especially corporations, to GIVE a "One-Time" Tax Deductible Financial Contribution, and RECEIVE what no other charitable organization can offer you in return. Our "SEVEN +2 SATISFACTIONS" for entities, corporations, and businesses, say's it all ! Your GIVING helps GOD, the World, and all Americans. But, your RECEIVING helps YOU, and YOUR DESCENDANTS - And, may help your CORPORATION.For BIG TIME USERS of ELECTRICITY,1/2 YOUR CURRENT COSTwill HELP YOU EVEN MORE ! He says its irrefutable, but no one's biting.... Don't bother with him, send all your charitable contributions to,Buffy Quote
mhc70 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Posted April 3, 2007 Oh my. That's one amusing site! I'll take whatever he's having: He says its irrefutable, but no one's biting.... Don't bother with him, send all your charitable contributions to,Buffy Nobody has been able to refute him, I have been watching closely.The only two people (a physics prof. and a engineer) who reviewed his device are now on his developement team. I believe we are on the verge of something like this. Some variation of kinetic or classical energy has or will be developed which will change many laws of science. IMHO It is just a matter of time. Quote
Zythryn Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Nobody has been able to refute him, I have been watching closely.The only two people (a physics prof. and a engineer) who reviewed his device are now on his developement team. I believe we are on the verge of something like this. Some variation of kinetic or classical energy has or will be developed which will change many laws of science. IMHO It is just a matter of time. Could I interest you in a bridge in Brooklyn? Seriously, when you say no one has been able to refute him, according to who? His own site?New energy sources are wonderful and I will be the first to encourage their research and developement. However, this sounds like snake oil:naughty: Quote
mhc70 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Posted April 3, 2007 Seriously, when you say no one has been able to refute him, according to who? His own site? Good point. New energy sources are wonderful and I will be the first to encourage their research and developement. However, this sounds like snake oil:naughty: He has posted on his sight a letter from the IRS granted his co. charitable status, as not for profit. Puts alot of doubt in the snake oil verdict. You guys pass very quick judgement based on little data. He has a very interesting view and description of classical mechanics. I never rule out the possibilty anything is possible. Quote
Buffy Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 I read the testimonials. The Physics professor from the University of Dallas has a reputable background and is the author of a popular physics text book. It is notable that his letters are quite equivocal: he has not seen the device and has only discussed the ideas of this fellow in general. He does say that he can find "no violation of existing physical laws" in the concepts, but does not describe them at all, so its not clear what he's refering to. He apparently vouched for him in the process of obtaining an NSF grant, and then offered his services as a consultant, which is not all that unusual, but is enough to taint his opinion among academics. He also has not lent any support to it since 1995. The engineer is a legitimate *Acoustical* Engineer who has no expertise in mechanical or electrical engineering or physics. He also has been employed by the company formed by the fellow with the idea. There are no outside independent critiques, and they would be just about impossible to perform, since virtually no details are presented on the site. Indeed, he's so paranoid about it that in the page that shows little more than a diagram of the "trailer" that his device is constructed on he says:The POINT IS: The EM 5000 will not be re-constructed in one area and left there for any Industrial Espionage, It will be moved, and moved, and only a handful of people will know the exact location of it at any one time for security reasons. [the genius behind the idea (name removed to protect us all from him getting a higher Google rank)] IS THE ONLY EXPERT, IN THE WORLD, CONCERNING THE OLD SCIENCE and his NEW SCIENCE. PERIOD!And this is one of the few paragraphs in the whole site that is not at least 50% all caps. I can't prove it, but he certainly comes across as a raving lunatic. If you want to donate to him, you're certainly free to do so but both Zythryn's bridge and my own secret project will be much better investments! Soon parted,Buffy Quote
Buffy Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 He has posted on his sight a letter from the IRS granted his co. charitable status, as not for profit. Puts alot of doubt in the snake oil verdict.Hardly. Anyone can get these: I've gotten one myself for the condominium association I used to live in. The IRS has no problem giving these out, mostly because they love the penalties they can extract from you when you don't pass your audit! :) Revenooers,Buffy Quote
mhc70 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Posted April 3, 2007 I read the testimonials. The Physics professor from the University of Dallas has a reputable background and is the author of a popular physics text book. It is notable that his letters are quite equivocal: he has not seen the device and has only discussed the ideas of this fellow in general. He does say that he can find "no violation of existing physical laws" in the concepts, but does not describe them at all, so its not clear what he's refering to. He apparently vouched for him in the process of obtaining an NSF grant, and then offered his services as a consultant, which is not all that unusual, but is enough to taint his opinion among academics. He also has not lent any support to it since 1995. The engineer is a legitimate *Acoustical* Engineer who has no expertise in mechanical or electrical engineering or physics. He also has been employed by the company formed by the fellow with the idea. There are no outside independent critiques, and they would be just about impossible to perform, since virtually no details are presented on the site. Indeed, he's so paranoid about it that in the page that shows little more than a diagram of the "trailer" that his device is constructed on he says:And this is one of the few paragraphs in the whole site that is not at least 50% all caps. I can't prove it, but he certainly comes across as a raving lunatic. If you want to donate to him, you're certainly free to do so but both Zythryn's bridge and my own secret project will be much better investments! Soon parted,Buffy Thanks Buffy I agree with much of what you say, but I'm not looking for investment nor is it being offered. I agree there are few paragraphs in the whole site that is not at least 50% all caps. But how would you expect him to act, he claims to have built the first one in 1964, developed nine more since, forty years of hiding a secret like that would make me act excited or goofy at times. Any way only time will tell, but I would venture to say the combustion engine will be all but extinct in ten years. Quote
Jay-qu Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 We pass quick judgment because we have seen this type of thing before. There is no physics introduced and I bet if I asked to try and refute his design I would be politely declined and probably told its 'in the interest of keeping his work secret' so I cant steal his idea and become rich off it... Anythings possible, so long as it agrees with the laws of physics..J Quote
Boerseun Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Perpetual motion is certainly possible. If you take a star, and you put a planet in orbit around it, you'll have perpetual motion. Problem being, of course, that if you take ANY energy from the planet's motion around the star, being the only energy available in this setup, you'll shorten the orbit and eventually make the planet spiral into the star. There is NO SUCH THING as free energy, or a system producing more energy than you put in. But there seems to be barrels and barrels of snake oil on the open market. As an example, in the early '80s, Voyagers 1 & 2 got a gravitational boost from Jupiter. They 'tapped' some form of 'free energy', no? Their outbound speeds increased by a lot. Was this energy 'free'? Not at all. A few billion years down the line, when the sun blows itself up because it finally got tired of the pointlessness of it all, Jupiter will be a few millimeters away from where it would have been, were it not for some pesky uppity humans sucking energy from it in the late 20th century. Doesn't sound like much, but already Jupiter isn't where it would've been, if it wasn't for us (although you'd need a really fine micrometer to measure it). Since Pluto don't count as a planet any more, we have successfully altered all planets in our solar system's orbits, and we didn't get one single ounce of free energy out of the deal. Quote
Zythryn Posted April 3, 2007 Report Posted April 3, 2007 Any way only time will tell, but I would venture to say the combustion engine will be all but extinct in ten years. Hopefully much faster than that. A company called Tesla Motors is producing their second set of prototypes of a car with an electric motor. Deliveries start at the end of this year. The internal combustion engine is woefully inefficient. However no need to build a new set of rules for physics. Now, when this guy has a prototype or even details, I will be happy to act as his PR person. Until then, I would not suggest holding your breath:) BTW, did I mention my bridge comes with a toll booth? Quote
mhc70 Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Posted August 16, 2007 Here is a recent news release. Now not only do contributers get a tax deduction but also fir rights of refusal when production of the powerplants begin. I have been following this for several months nobody has been able to invalidate his work, rather it has been validated. THIS ENERGY WAS THE ONLY ORIGINAL ENERGY PLACED ON EARTH WHEN THE EARTH WAS CREATED. IN FACT, THE EARTH ITSELF DELIVERS A MAGNANIMOUS AMOUNT OF THIS ENERGY. IT NEVER WORE DOWN AND NEVER WILL. THERE IS MORE TODAY THAN THERE EVER WAS. IT PRECEDED THE CREATION OF ALL FOSSIL FUELS, BUT WAS ONLY DISCOVERED IN 1807. SINCE THEN SCIENCE SIMPLY, THROUGH IGNORANCE, FORGOT ABOUT IT. IT WAS RE-DISCOVERED BY A NON-SCIENTIST IN 1957. ITS NOW READY FOR THE WORLD TO ENJOY, AS ONLY WE OWN THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF IT! WE DO, HOWEVER, NEED A FEW WEALTHY “GIVERS TO CHARITY” FRIENDS TO JOIN US WITH ONLY A GENEROUS ONE-TIME, LIFETIME CONTRIBUTION! THEY WILL BENEFIT AS THEY HAVE NEVER BENEFITED BEFORE, WITH A PROFIT POTENTIAL EQUAL TO NONE! ONLY WE OF ANY CHARITY AND/OR FOUNDATIONS IN THE WORLD CAN OFFER THIS POTENTIALLY HUGE PROFIT POTENTIAL TO A GENEROUS CONTRIBUTING FRIEND THROUGH OUR SEPARATE TEXAS MARKETING CORPORATION CALLED “CEDCO”! IT IS NOW THE BIGGEST ENERGY AND FUELNEWS OF THE MILLENNIUM FOR GENERATING CHEAP, CLEAN, SAFE, ABUNDANT AND MORE AVAILABLE ELECTRICITY FOR ANY AND ALL USES, HOME, BUSINESS AND AUTOMOBILES, WORLD-WIDE! AND WE, ONEGIFT4POWER THE MOST UNIQUE CHARITY IN THE WORLD, OWN THE USE OF IT EXCLUSIVELY. YOU’VE NEVER READ WHAT YOUR ABOUT TO READ IN THIS NEWS RELEASE. WE GUARANTEE IT. IF INTERESTED, VISIT OUR WEB SITE AND CALL, E-MAIL, FAX OR WRITE US FOR ANY MORE NEEDED INFORMATION. IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST, MAYBE A GENEROUS FRIEND OR ASSOCIATE DOES. PLEASE PASS THIS ON! MOST ALL IN SCIENCE, PHYSICS AND/OR ENGINEERING ARE IGNORANT OF THE TRUE, OLD SCIENCE, HISTORICAL, PROVABLE FACTS WHICH FOLLOW. PLEASE BEAR WITH US SO AS ONE CAN GET THE ENTIRE STORY AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE. IN 1807 THIS ORIGINAL ENERGY AND FUEL WAS DISCOVERED BY THOMAS YOUNG. HE DISCOVERED THAT INANIMATE OBJECTS HAD “WORK-STORED-WITHIN” AND HE USED THE GREEK WORD ENERGY, WHICH MEANS “WORK-WITHIN” AS THE TERM FOR HIS DISCOVERY. SCIENCE APPROVED. IN 1847, A CERTAIN HERMAN HELMHOLTZ INVENTED A LAW AND THIS LAW STOPPED SCIENCE COLD, DEAD IN ITS TRACKS, FROM PURSUING IT FURTHER. BUT, BECAUSE THE 1897 ENERGY WAS A LEGITIMATE AND STRONG ENERGY AND FUEL, AT LEAST ONE SCIENTIST CONTINUED: IN 1853, A CERTAIN WILLIAM RANKINE SUGGESTED THAT THE TERM “POTENTIAL ENERGY” BE USED FOR THIS 1807 ENERGY, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT CONTAINED “WORK-STORED-WITHIN” , IT COULDN’T PERFORM, AS NO ENERGY COULD COME OUT OF IT. BUT WHY DID SOME IN SCIENCE CONTINUE, SINCE IT WAS STOPPED IN 1847? SOMEHOW IT KEPT GOING: IN 1856 THIS ENERGY WAS PINPOINTED BY A CERTAIN LORD KELVIN AS TO HOW TO DELIVER IT AND THE TERM “KINETIC ENERGY” WAS BORN, AS NOW, THE 1807 FUEL COULD BE PUT INTO MOTION, AND THE ENERGY WITHIN COULD BE DELIVERED, SOMETHING THAT HERMAN HELMHOLTZ DIDN’T KNOW SOME 8 YEARS PRIOR, IN 1847 WHEN HE STOPPED THE USE AND/OR PROPAGATION OF THIS ENERGY SOURCE AND FUEL. BUT, SCIENCE BEING ARROGANT EVEN IN THOSE DAYS, MOST STAYED AWAY FROM IT. NOW, AFTER 1856, VELOCITY CONTROLLED THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT COULD BE DELIVERED BY A GIVEN AMOUNT OF FUEL. THIS, AS WELL, CONFUSED SCIENCE, UNTIL 1887 WHEN ERNST MACH PROVED IT AND IN 1905 WHEN EINSTEIN FURTHER PROVED VELOCITY WAS THE KEY. IT WAS BELIEVED, AS FAR BACK AS 1847, THE REASON THE LAW SCIENCE PUT INTO PLACE WAS INVENTED, (ERNST MACH, IN 1887 AND EINSTEIN IN 1905 AND PAULI IN 1935 BLEW GREAT HOLES IN THIS LAW, PROVING IT WAS FALSE,) THAT NO MECHANICAL MEANS, PRIME MOVERS AND/OR POWER PLANTS, COULD BE INVENTED TO DELIVER THIS PURE, FIRST ENERGY BY WAY OF THE USE OF THE FUEL. THEN, IN 1860, AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE WAS PATENTED BY JEAN LENOIR, BUT A LATER MODEL WAS TO COME ALONG BY NIKOLAUS OTTO IN 1876, AND; THE FOSSIL FUEL AGE WAS ON, THE DIRTY ENVIRONMENT STARTED ON THIS DAY, AND BIG BUSINESS KNEW IT COULD GET RICH ON OIL, AND THEY, AS WELL AS SCIENCE, FORGOT THE 1807 ENERGY, ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE IT WAS A RELATIVE FREE ENERGY AND HOW MUCH MONEY COULD BE MADE ON FREE, PLUS IT WAS BELIEVED, BY SCIENCE, THAT NO POWER PLANT COULD BE INVENTED USING THE FUEL AND DELIVERING THE ENERGY? TODAY, HOWEVER, FOSSIL FUELS ARE KILLING EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. THEY ARE GETTING MORE SCARCE AND MORE COSTLY, AND THAT WHICH WILL REPLACE IT, IS MORE COSTLY. AMERICA NEEDS HELP NOW! SCIENCE, THE GOVERNMENT OR ESPECIALLY BIG OIL BUSINESS DOESN’T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT PEOPLE! PERIOD! THIS NEWS IS MORE THAN HELP, IT IS THE SALVATION OF THE EARTH. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE BEAR WITH US WHILE WE EXPLAIN, IN AS BRIEF A SPACE AS POSSIBLE, (2200 WORDS + OR -,) ABOUT THE GREATEST ENERGY AND FUEL ON EARTH, WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE CAME FROM, WHERE WE ARE GOING, WHAT WE OWN, WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING, PLUS WHAT WE NEED AND OTHER CONCERNS POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY DIRECTED AT US! NEWS AND FACTS THIS BIG, NEEDS A FEW WORDS TO EVEN BRIEFLY DESCRIBE ALL! PLUS, YOU THE READER CAN PROVE ALL STATED FOR YOURSELVES AT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY! WE ARE ONEGIFT4POWER AND WE OWN WHAT AMERICA AND THE WORLD NEEDS AND WANTS. IN FACT, WE OWN WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY SAVE AMERICA AND THE WORLD’S ENERGY AND FUEL CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL, CAPACITY AND COSTS DEALING WITH ENERGY AND FUEL AND CLEAN, CHEAP ELECTRICITY GENERATION! (THIS ISN’T ANY OF THE SO CALLED “FREE ENERGY”, MAGNETISM OR ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICES FOUND ALL OVER THE WEB, OR HYDROGEN, ETHANOL, OR ANY OF THE SO CALLED “ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES” FOUND ON THE LYING LIPS OF BIG BUSINESS, SCIENCE AND/OR GOVERNMENT! THE 1807 ENERGY AND FUEL ARE NEAR FREE ENERGIES AND FUELS, THE “GREENEST ELECTRICAL ENERGY” EVER DEVELOPED, AND THE ELECTRICITY GENERATED FROM THEM WILL COST, AT THE MOST, ½ OF WHAT IS BEING CHARGED TODAY! PLUS, THE GOVERNMENT, BIG CORPORATIONS, SCIENCE OR ANY OTHER ENTITY CONTROLS US, TELLS US WHAT TO DO AND/OR WHEN, AND NO ONE CAN STOP US FROM BRINGING IT TO MARKET. NO ONE.) WE DO NOT OWN THE ENERGY OR FUEL, AS THIS IS FREE TO EVERYONE. WHAT WE OWN, WHICH NO OTHER IN THE WORLD OWNS, IS THE “MEANS”, THE POWER PLANTS, TO DELIVER THIS ENERGY USING THE FUEL. PERIOD! IN 1957, THE 1807 ENERGY, BY WAY OF THE FUEL, WAS RE-DISCOVERED, BY ACCIDENT, BY DANTE A. DONATELLI JR. AND DANTE, NOW 71, SPENT SOME 50 YEARS SINCE DISCOVERING 10 BASIC LAWS OF NATURE THAT CONTROLLED THE KINETIC ENERGY OF THE FUEL DELIVERING THIS ENERGY, INVENTED 10 POWER PLANTS TO DELIVER VARIOUS AMOUNTS OF THIS ENERGY, BY WAY OF THE 1807 FUEL. (10 POWER PLANTS BECAUSE HE DISCOVERED 10 BASIC LAWS OF NATURE THAT CONTROL THE FUEL AND EACH POWER PLANT HAS THE ABILITY TO DELIVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HORSEPOWER, ENERGY AND WORK, AS SOME BASIC LAWS OF NATURE ARE STRONGER THAN OTHERS, AND ONE, HIS “DYNALEVER” POWER PLANT, THE ONE HIS EXPERTS WERE AMAZED AT, CAN DELIVER TEN TIMES WHAT THE HOOVER DAM DELIVERS, IN CHEAP, CLEAN, SAFE, ABUNDANT AND MORE AVAILABLE ELECTRICAL ENERGY. ANOTHER, HIS “MINI-POWER PLANT” USES HIS “GREATEST DISCOVERY OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY” DISCOVERY OF THE THIRD USE OF THE BERNOULLI PRINCIPLE, AS STATED BY A CERTAIN DR. RICHARD OLENICK, PHYSICS PROFESSOR, CHAIR, THE UNIVERSITY OF DALLAS PHYSICS DEPT., RECIPIENT OF 2 MILLION DOLLARS FOR WRITING A HIGH SCHOOL CURRICULUM AS HE DID SUCCESSFULLY, CALLED THE: “MECHANICAL UNIVERSE” FOR UNIVERSITY STUDENTS, IN A 1995 REPORT TO DANTE, WHICH DANTE IS IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AS BEING THE DISCOVERER OF! ALL AND ONE OTHER WORLD CLASS EXPERT MECHANICAL ENGINEERS REPORTS ARE ON OUR WEBSITE!) THE 1807 ENERGY IS THE FIRST TO BE CALLED THE EXACT TERM ENERGY, AS IT WAS FIRST EVER DISCOVERED AS ALL OTHER FORMS, OIL, GASOLINE, WOOD, THE SUN’S, NATURAL GAS, NUCLEAR, GEO-THERMAL, AND ALL BEING TOUTED AS ENERGY TODAY, EVEN THE SO CALLED “GREEN ENERGY”, ETC., ENERGIES, WERE CALLED ENERGY AFTER 1807. YES, COAL WAS BEING USED CENTURIES BEFORE, BUT THIS WAS ONLY KNOWN OF AS A ROCK THAT COULD BE BURNED, NOT A FORM OF ENERGY! VISIT YOUR LIBRARY AND PROVE ALL THIS TO YOURSELF, IF YOU CARE TO! ALL OTHERS ARE ONLY MOCK FORMS OF THIS ORIGINAL ENERGY! IT IS THE ULTIMATE ENERGY THAT WILL IN FACT REPLACE EVERY OTHER FORM OF ENERGY AND FUEL KNOWN TO MAN, BEING FOSSIL FUELS, NUCLEAR, ETHANOL, HYDROGEN, EVEN THE SUN, (WHICH HAS LIMITED ABILITIES TO GENERATE VAST AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICITY,) HYDRO AND WIND, AS THESE ARE NOT CONCENTRATED ENOUGH, (AS THE 1807 ENERGY IS OMNI-PRESENT ON EVERY SQUARE INCH OF LAND AND SEA, ON AND IN EARTH,) TO SOLVE THE EARTHS ENERGY NEEDS AND WANTS. THE SO CALLED “ENERGY CONSERVATION” BEING TOUTED TO CONSUMERS, IS A PHONY SOLUTION TO CONSERVE FOSSIL FUELS. THIS 1807 REPLACES FOSSIL FUELS, ERGO IT REPLACES ENERGY CONSERVATION, AS WELL! THIS 1807 ENERGY AND FUEL DELIVERS THE MOST, CHEAP, CLEAN, SAFE AND ABUNDANT ELECTRICITY FOR EVERY BUSINESS, PERSON AND AUTO ON THE PLANET TO USE AND ENJOY, BY THE “MEANS: THAT WE OWN. ONE CAN USE AS MUCH AS HE WANTS, WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. PERIOD! IN 2005, RIGHT AFTER THE U.S. CONGRESS ALTERED THE LAWS OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY GIFTING TO CHARITIES, WE, ONEGIFT4POWER WAS BORN. DANTE A. DONATELLI JR., WANTING TO MAKE SURE HIS POWER PLANTS WOULD NOT BE STOPPED FROM COMING TO MARKET, FORMED US, GAVE US ONE OF HIS TEN POWER PLANTS AND 10% OF THE TECHNOLOGY EACH USES IN ONE FORM OR THE OTHER. HE NOW IS OUR PRESIDENT. IN 2006, WE WERE APPROVED FOR TWO CHARITABLE ACTIVITIES, (AS ALL OTHERS ONLY ARE APPROVED FOR ONE CHARITABLE ACTIVITY,) BY THE I. R. S. 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TRY READING THEM FOR YOURSELVES, OR HAVE YOUR EXPERT FRIEND READ THEM, AND SEE IF HE CAN ANSWER ANY! IN SHORT, WE OWN THIS GIFT THAT DELIVERS THE 1807 ENERGY FROM THE 1807 DISCOVERED FUEL, AND WE WILL PROPAGATE IT. AND, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE READ THIS FAR, JUST A TOUCH OF TECHNOLOGY INFO, WE CALL THIS ENERGY THE ELUSIVE 6TH PRIMARY FORM: DEVELOPED FREE MECHANICAL ENERGY! AND WITHOUT GOING INTO THIS MUCH HERE, IT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE 5TH KNOWN PRIMARY FORM OF ENERGY NOW KNOWN BY SCIENCE AND USED ON EARTH: CONVERTED COSTLY MECHANICAL ENERGY. MORE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY ON OUR WEB SITE! THEN WHEN WE ARE SUCCESSFUL AT PROPAGATING THE ONE GIFT GIVEN, WE WILL CONTROL ALL THE OTHER 9 POWER PLANTS THAT DANTE OWNS, AND WE THEN WILL BE ABLE TO MARKET TO THE ENTIRE WORLD, WITH NO COMPETITION. ONCE AGAIN, IN SHORT, OUR POWER PLANTS NEED NO REFUELING AFTER THE INITIAL CHARGE. THEY CREATE NO WASTE OR ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. 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Tormod Posted August 16, 2007 Report Posted August 16, 2007 This is hogwash, not to mention a huge scam. The GIFT, although freely given by Dante A. Donatelli Jr., is really a GIFT from GOD! Moving this to Strange Claims. Quote
Tormod Posted August 16, 2007 Report Posted August 16, 2007 I love stuff like this: NONE even had an ONE ANSWER, NOT ONE, for the over 300 questions we asked them about THEIR OWN OLD SCIENCE HISTORY. NONE HAS ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER ANY ONE OF THEM FOR A YEAR NOW! Wouldn’t one at least if they were an expert, AS MOST CLAIM THEY ARE, KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THEIR OWN OLD SCIENCE HISTORY? ASK YOUR EXPERT TO ANSWER A FEW. BET HE OR SHE CANNOT! In OUR CASE, THEY DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS, ERGO THEY ARE NOT EXPERTS, NO MATTER WHAT DEGREE THEY HOLD, WHAT UNIVERSITY THEY BELONG TO, OR WHAT THEY SAY WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTHS! VERY, VERY, VERY FEW in science know WHAT WE DO! Not surprising, considering they have not once - once - *revealed* what they do. :) Quote
mhc70 Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Posted August 16, 2007 I love stuff like this: Not surprising, considering they have not once - once - *revealed* what they do. :) Revealed in what manner? If I had the technology he claims to I wouldn't just open source it or patent it either. Too many big corporations would go to great lengths to squash it. His idea is similar to what xerox did, lease the machines, because no one knew the technology existed and they did not want it reverse engineered. On his site there are letters of validation, that give small clues as to how he achieves 5000w with only 750w of input, from respected professors and others with PHD's. Nobody who has seen his models have anything negative to say, on the contrary all are astounded and have only positives. Quote
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