Repression

[coberst]

Repression

 

Norman Brown tells us that to comprehend Freud one must understand “repression”. “In the new Freudian perspective, the essence of society is repression of the individual, the essence of the individual is repression of the self.”

 

Freud discovered the importance of repression when he discovered the meaning of the “mad” symptoms of the mentally deranged, plus the meaning of dreams, and thirdly the everyday happenings regarded as slips of the tongue, errors, and random thoughts. He concludes that dreams, mental derangements, and common every day errors (Freudian slips) have meaningful causes that can be explained. Meaningful is the key word here.

 

Since these psychic phenomena are unconscious we must accept that we have motivation to action with a purpose for which we are unconscious (involuntary purposes). This inner nature of which we are completely unaware leads to Freud’s definition of psychoanalysis as “nothing more than the discovery of the unconscious in mental life.”

 

Freud discovered that sapiens have unconscious causes which are hidden from her because they are disowned and hidden by the conscious self. The dynamic relationship between the unconscious and conscious life is a constant battle and psychoanalysis is a science of this mental conflict.

 

The rejection of an idea which is one’s very own and remains so is repression. The essence of repression is in the fact that the individual refuses to recognize this reality of her very own nature. This nature becomes evident when it erupts into consciousness only in dreams or neurotic symptoms or by slips of the tongue.

 

The unconscious is illuminated only when it is being repressed by the conscious mind. It is a process of psychic conflict. “We obtain our theory of the unconscious from the theory of repression.” Freud’s hypothesis of the repressed unconscious results from the conclusion that it is common to all humans. This is a phenomenon of everyday life; neurosis is common to all humans.

 

Dreams are normal phenomena and being that the structure of dreams is common to neurotics and normal people the dream is also neurotic. “Between “normality” and “abnormality” there is no qualitative but only quantitative difference, based largely on the practical question of whether our neurosis is serious enough to incapacitate us for work…the doctrine of the universal neurosis of mankind is the psychoanalytical analogue of the theological doctrine of original sin.”

 

Quotes from “Life against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History” Norman O. Brown

 

Have you ever seriously tried to analyze your own dreams?

[HappytheStripper]

The definition of repression may be found in in other places..

 

In order to gain a panoramic view of repression.. one would be wise to understand also.. which role supression and oppression play in repression and why it occurs in the minds of humanity as depression

 

Ashley

[ErlyRisa]

TOUCH TYPING....

 

When we first sat down at a keyboard, we used our pionter fingers to locate a key and press it - the algortihm that defines pionting via the finger, hand, arm, spinalcord/brain is 'set' -> somewhat in the womb.

 

The act of typing slowly evolves, from the start you literally thought of every action - look for the key and press it. With typing tutuors, you learn to place those fingers on F, J ... and practise using more of your fingers, with time you no-longer consciencely think about which finger is doing what - you are now a touch typist.

 

-There is another breed of touch typist - the self tuaght type which is usally a programmer - they practise many methods of typing, from single handed typing to standing typing to instructing others how to type...

--These people have better access to the conscience part of thier typing ability - in other words, they can make the conscinece effort to do things like press CTRL c with A. the little finger + pionter or B. the thumb (especially when they will be putting a space after a CTRL v) or even right handed with pionter and V.

---The programmer type has placed more of a mental map of the keyboard in thier mind and are able to manipulate it as they wish, whereas the taught touch typist has assigned thier fingers to certain actions.

 

* so what am I trying to say....

The subconscience can be 'accesed' and re-taught if you are willing to build a map to try and get to it.

 

eg. Feelings - the Vulcans. - for each feeling - and ur a feelling ALL the TIME - including while you are reading this, you can build a MAP that accesses the algortithm that instaciates the parts of the brain which enact and react to the chemical constituants which define those feelings. The vessel that is our brain is nothing more than a cyrocomputer, where the liquid holding the elctrical neural network has an effect on the netwrok --its figuring out how to manipulate the chemical to the desired state that makes a human even more powerfull than wht they were when they were born. ie. when you are developing in the womb, the vessel's chemicals are set for 'growth' / 'curiosity' to help the mind develop pathways which will later be subconscience thought like moving a finger. --> when you can access the algorithm that makes your finger move - you may just be able to sit absolutley still (buddhism -the real Freud)

[coberst]

Following algorithms is a useful techniques for solving some problems but is not useful for solving many of life's problems that are not pattern like.

[HappytheStripper]

Have you ever seriously tried to analyze your own dreams?

 

Yes :)

[ErlyRisa]

Isn't the whole piont of Freudian stuff is 'Finding the Pattern' that is resulting in your or social ills?

 

-ie, Repression, is simply your subconscience 'Main' algortithm, akin to the machine in the matrix, that organises and 'hides' data/algorithms into the subconscience. things like the relfex actions are actually stored in the spinal column, and are created during birth... you have no real hope of ever being able to tap ur spinal conscience, but the repressed sections of your mind are somewhat 'grabbable' ... the hardest part is taking control of your 'machine algortihm' - the one that delegates just how information ends up getting stored, and intacniated and accessed.

 

--the problem though is that the machine algorithm knows what it is doing better than your conscience -- the repressed memory is an encrypted safety storage section of the mind --your conscience is not supposed to remmeber that information.... your machine knows that you will not survive mentally with that knowledge., Hence 'blackouts' and 'momery wipes'.

 

We like to worship Gods outside our minds and even our realities - but does anyone worship thier own God inside thier brain?

 

another watchowsy ideology

[coberst]

Humans do not act in pattern like manner. Math cannot help us when considering human behavior except in statistical form when we can count the number of times a certain behavior happens. Math helps us predict behavior inside the atom but not so inside the human brain.

[ErlyRisa]

Watchowsky movie:

 

paraquote:: the underlying flaw with the matrix is the decision

 

-everything else can be expressed mathematically... the question is ...

 

what decisions are YOU actually making?

 

it could be postulated that the entire trilogy (trinity) had not a single unmathematical decision made.

 

other than the decision we humans always fall for -> LOVE, Trinity = undefined.

 

,,but we are reminded that it surpirsingly is love that drives the overall equation.

 

--in other words the movie reminds us that us humans/animals, will sacfrice existance (the creator of the matrix asks neo which door (1|0)) -eno actually chooses zero for the sake of love... with HOPE for 1 arising ... this is what can't be expressed mathematically.... but the machine that is the matrix accounted for this, in effect after 6 tries, it also had learnt about HOPE, with 7 finally being the lucky number.

 

so how do we translate Matix ideology to the vessel that is our mind?

 

Trinity = overall drive for existance.

Neo = learnt traits

Matrix = data storage / brain

The machine (server that powers the matrix) = subconscience automoton

Other Characters = traits of the mind, some accesible, others not so easy, morpheus for example is the part of the subconscinec that converts subconscience thought to conscience.

 

--so how do I acces the red pill?

som say it's a swinging ticking clock and the snap of a finger that access the held memories of our subCon, but their only vain memories.... what would be neat is to be able to acces the routines that control the beat of my heart!!!, or just simply controlling my emotions would be nice?, some of us have enough difficulty just controlling the chemical resovoir that is our skull, let alone actually analysing the twitch of our little finger while holding a coffe cup, while calculating the trajectory your hand should follow to set the cup on the table.

 

--There is an Autistic type guy that can calculate Pi indefinetly - he doesn't know how he does it, and was never formally trained in math.

[InfiniteNow]

Humans do not act in pattern like manner. Math cannot help us when considering human behavior except in statistical form when we can count the number of times a certain behavior happens. Math helps us predict behavior inside the atom but not so inside the human brain.

 

Can you elaborate this point, Coberst? I can show you probably 100 examples that would indicate otherwise.

[coberst]

Can you elaborate this point, Coberst? I can show you probably 100 examples that would indicate otherwise.

 

If humans performed in a pattern like manner we could use math to help us predict human behavior. This is not to say that some humans do not perform much like many others or that one individual might behave in a very predictable way. If math is not used in the human sciences it is an indication that the human sciences are dealing with non pattern behavior. There is nothing comprable to Newtonion mechanics that will allow us to predict human reaction to a force exerted on him or her..

[HappytheStripper]

One of the techniques I use.. when assessing a clients needs on a psychological level.. is.. a timeline..

 

Timelines are a wonderful equation for lifes' experiences.. and use math to help them.. 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. 5 and so on.. each number representing an age and stage in life..

 

These stages/ages.. when matched with memory.. provide me with an insight into the behavioural patterns of the client..

 

Behavioural problems often form in a pattern.. which are repeated often throughout a lifetime.. for whichever reason..

 

These patterns are noticable when a person is in a situation that defines the use of such a pattern..

 

The reason I use this as a guiding light for clients.. is because..

 

All behaviour has a reason.. regardless.. although behaviour takes into account for many things including religion and ethnic background..

 

Coberst.. I trust this helps you understand .. everything they say is relative to the current experience.. or you would not be here..

 

Behaving Badly (always)

Ashley

[coberst]

Thanks for the info Ashley.

[coberst]

“gods with anuses”

 

Humans seek to be more than animals. We seek to be gods or at least propagate that level above animal and just below God.

 

That which promotes life is good that which promotes death is evil. “Evil lies not in the hearts of men but in the social arrangements that men take for granted.”

 

Wo/man lives a debased life under tyranny and self delusion because s/he does not comprehend the conditions of natural freedom. Sapiens need hope and belief in themselves; thus illusion is necessary if it is creative for life, but is evil if it promotes death.

 

A psychodynamic analysis of history displays saga of death, destruction, and coercion from the outside while inside we see self-delusion and self enslavement. We seek mystification. We seek transference; we seek hypnotists as our chosen leaders.

 

We seek the power to ward off big evil by reflexively embracing small terrors and small fascinations in the place of overwhelming ones.

 

Courage is the fundamental qualifying quality for being a hero. So, why are we all so naturally cowardly? Our goal is to be a hero and we lack the courage to be so.

 

We constantly struggle for a life that has meaning. All meaning for us is associated with that which comes to us from the outside. Our sense of self is derived by looking at others for determining who and what we are. “Our whole world of right and wrong, good and bad, our name, precisely who we are, is grafted into us; and we never feel we have authority to offer things on our own…we feel ourselves in many ways guilty and beholden to others…indebted to them for our very birth.”

 

Abraham Maslow spoke of our being fearful of standing alone. We fear actualizing our potential. We have the urge to ‘be all we can be’ but we fear to attempt the fulfillment of this urge. “We fear our highest possibility…we even thrill to the godlike possibilities we see in our self…yet we simultaneously shiver with weakness.” Maslow coined the phrase ‘Jonah Syndrome’ to mean the evasion of the full intensity of life.

 

The Jonah Syndrome is a justified fear of losing control and being torn apart—to even being killed by the experience of being all we can be. Otto Rank spoke of our natural feeling of inferiority in the face of the transcendence of life and creation.

 

Quotes from “The Denial of Death” by Ernest Becker

[Queso]

Yeah I can harmonize with these observations.

 

Man wants to BE god because man IS god.

 

A blip in the rippling dimensions. Now what?

 

The real fun.

[Boerseun]

Ignoring your quest for supernatural entities with posterior orifices for a second; does this post contain anything resembling a point, perchance? Do you have any particular point that seek discussion, mayhap?

 

Just asking.

[Queso]

This thread is one that is shared.

 

So what if you have nothing to say?

 

It was to be read.

[Buffy]

Sounds like someone is fixated on Freud's Second Psychosexual Stage of Development...

 

Sometimes its just a cigar,

Buffy