UFO's in space, apollo 11

[Moontanman]

I just saw a show on the science channel that admitted that Apollo 11 was shadowed by an unknown object on it's way to the moon. for decades this object was said to be the top stage of the rocket that propelled them to the moon but on this show the astronauts that were there said that the rocket stage was 6000 miles away from them and this object was very close. they were afraid to report it over the radio because they thought that reporting an alien space ship might cause the mission to be scrubbed. I recorded it and watched it again just to make sure I hadn't mis heard the astronaut. They also said that many space flights were shadowed by UFO's that couldn't be explained and many people in NASA privately believe that UFO's are alien space craft.

 

Michael

[Queso]

I posted some videos last week about ex nasa employees who were hired to airbrush giant towers on the moon out of photographs, and that it's standard procedure to edit out ufo's from photographs.

check out the videos. no one really gave me any feedback...

 

I don't know what to believe. It's interesting.

[Tormod]

They also said that many space flights were shadowed by UFO's that couldn't be explained

 

Do you mean a "lot of moon missions" or regular, low-earth orbit flights? When they are in standard, low-earth orbit you can even see the shuttle at night *from the ground*, so how come they can't show any objects following it?

 

The things people are willing to believe...

[Moontanman]

I posted some videos last week about ex nasa employees who were hired to airbrush giant towers on the moon out of photographs, and that it's standard procedure to edit out ufo's from photographs.

check out the videos. no one really gave me any feedback...

 

I don't know what to believe. It's interesting.

 

It is interesting but the photos were flawed, there should have been giant shadows from structures that big. You couldn't have air brushed out the buildings with out air brushing the shadows as well but no shadow smudges were apparent. Of course I guess they could have used some tecnique to take out the shadows but there should have been shadow shaped smudges too. The UFO's were a little more convincing but photos are not proof. they can be faked very convincingly. I wouldn't go as far as to say these people weren't telling the truth there's just no way to be sure. On the show I saw the photos were actually released by NASA and showed unknown objects. When NASA goes as far as to release something like this it is a little more convincing but even they could be wrong. I have a feeling we will all be trying to see into this murky area until a UFO lands at a major airport or city. With CGI technology like it is now any new images are automatically suspect. With CGI you could make a convincing film of Marvin Martian landing on the white house lawn. If we could see the photos before and after they were air brushed we would have some real evidence.

 

Michael

[Moontanman]

Do you mean a "lot of moon missions" or regular, low-earth orbit flights? When they are in standard, low-earth orbit you can even see the shuttle at night *from the ground*, so how come they can't show any objects following it?

 

The things people are willing to believe...

 

Actually what they said was low earth orbits in the 60's. No mention of space shuttle UFO's. Even if they could be seen I'm quite sure every flight isn't being followed nor are they being followed the entire flight. So if you wanted to see them you would have to be lucky enough to be looking at the exact moment they were there. I'm not saying I am a true believer, I am sceptical of almost everything. I require real evidence to believe, that is why I say we won't know for sure until an alien space craft takes up orbit around the earth or actually lands in a public place. If the government came out and said they had aliens at area 51 I would have to see them in the presence of a noted news person or better yet in person before i would be a true believer. Everyone lies, especially goverments, sometimes they have good reason but most of the time it's just for the sake of keeping secrets.

 

Michael

[Tormod]

Actually what they said was low earth orbits in the 60's.

 

Lessee....

 

Mercury: 6 manned flights, 2 of which were suborbital

Gemini: 10 manned flights

Apollo: 6 flights (before 1970), only two of which were low orbit flights (the rest went to the Moon)

 

So...a total of 14 manned US space LEO flights.

 

Number of Russian flights: 15.

 

That's a whopping 29 missions in low earth orbit. Exactly how many of these were followed by UFOs? How were the UFO's detected, and how were they tracked?

 

I require real evidence to believe, that is why I say we won't know for sure until an alien space craft takes up orbit around the earth or actually lands in a public place.

 

Well, if you can believe something only by seeing evidence to the contrary, how can you actually believe *anything*?

 

Since you have no evidence for these flights except hearsay I recommend not believing it.

[Moontanman]

Lessee....

 

Mercury: 6 manned flights, 2 of which were suborbital

Gemini: 10 manned flights

Apollo: 6 flights (before 1970), only two of which were low orbit flights (the rest went to the Moon)

 

So...a total of 14 manned US space LEO flights.

 

Number of Russian flights: 15.

 

That's a whopping 29 missions in low earth orbit. Exactly how many of these were followed by UFOs? How were the UFO's detected, and how were they tracked?

 

 

 

Well, if you can believe something only by seeing evidence to the contrary, how can you actually believe *anything*?

 

Since you have no evidence for these flights except hearsay I recommend not believing it.

 

they didn't say how many but it wasn't all of them I am sure. they did show a film taken from a low earth orbit that showed two disc shaped objects trailing the space capsule. They simply said the objects could not be identified and it was an unknown. I didn't say i could believe something only by seeing evidense to the contrary I said I had to see or hear it from a reliable source and the governemnt isn't most reliable source. an astronaunt is a reletively reliable source but having kept a secrete for 30 years kinda makes it suspect at least a little bit. It would have been more believeable if they had come out with it at the time, at least to me. I have seen nothing that proves alien space craft are visiting the earth I've seen some pictures that if taken at face value would be proof but photos are always suspect. But I do remain open to the possiblity.

 

Michael

[Theory5]

well i think thats probably a lie. in rosewell people saw flying craft that appeared to be UFO's, but were the government testing how well those kinds of craft fly, y'know what im talking about right? and if these aliens traveled here, 1 why didnt they observe from far away? even if they didnt invent the teloscope wouldnt they have something like it? another thing, that was when radio waves were the most popular right? If they wanted to hear what we were saying they would need a radio of sorts right? and somthing like that is bound to leak out right? otherwise couldnt some lowly employee of NASA blackmail them? or wouldnt some other country leak somthing? And anyways what science channel did u get this from? is it a well known and a reliable channel? or is it some channel that not alll TV providers carry? and what astronauts were these? this UFO thing is sorta like the wear-tin-foil-to-keep-the-government-from-finding-out-what-u-think thing. I think it was Popular science that did an article about a study done that shows that very few waves are blocked and the only waves that only the government might and could know about wasnt near the frequency that was blocked by the tinfoil.

[Moontanman]

well i think thats probably a lie. in rosewell people saw flying craft that appeared to be UFO's, but were the government testing how well those kinds of craft fly, y'know what im talking about right? and if these aliens traveled here, 1 why didnt they observe from far away? even if they didnt invent the teloscope wouldnt they have something like it? another thing, that was when radio waves were the most popular right? If they wanted to hear what we were saying they would need a radio of sorts right? and somthing like that is bound to leak out right? otherwise couldnt some lowly employee of NASA blackmail them? or wouldnt some other country leak somthing? And anyways what science channel did u get this from? is it a well known and a reliable channel? or is it some channel that not alll TV providers carry? and what astronauts were these? this UFO thing is sorta like the wear-tin-foil-to-keep-the-government-from-finding-out-what-u-think thing. I think it was Popular science that did an article about a study done that shows that very few waves are blocked and the only waves that only the government might and could know about wasnt near the frequency that was blocked by the tinfoil.

 

First I think Roswell is probably bullshit, keeping it a secret would be a logistical nightmare literally thousands of people would have to be willing not to talk over a period of decades. Not only that but the so called Roswell incident was identical to a book that had been released describing a supposed alien space craft crash a year earlier that had been shown to be a shame the authors were charged with and spent time in jail or at least were fined Big time. It's been a while and I can't remember the details. But many people think that this was how the Roswell incident got started by people retelling the story that had be told in that book. The town in the book was close to Roswell and the details was really very close to what all the people claim in the Roswell incident. The two people who really were involved tell a somewhat different story from the people who jumped on the band wagon many years later and their story was more like the fake book.

If indeed their was a close encounter with the Apollo 11 mission there could be many reasons why the aliens did what they did. Predicting what aliens would do by come paring it to what people might do is not a very good idea. I can think of many reasons why humans might decide to shadow a space mission like that instead of viewing or listening from a distance. Motives of aliens are completely inscrutable.

The Science Channel is part of the Discovery Channel network that is owned by Discovery magazine and is a well known and highly thought of science periodical. It is on a pare with Scientific American or Nature magazines. The information and films and pictures they presented was given to them directly by NASA and the astronauts and other people involved. They didn't claim it was an alien space craft just that it was an unknown object that shadowed Apollo 11 for a day or so. Of course there are only two possibilities. It was either a probe or craft from Earth or it was an alien probe or space craft. No one knows for sure but at that time there was no one on Earth known to be capable of launching a probe or space craft that could follow the Apollo 11 space craft.

 

Michael

[Jim Colyer]

UFO - Unbelievably Foolish Obsession

[TheFaithfulStone]

Actually, I heard this straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Buzz Aldrin will tell you about seeing a UFO on the return trip from the Apollo at length.

 

Basically, they were coming back, saw something outside the window, thought it was weird - radioed back to Houston to see if it was the fourth stage of the Saturn V. Turned out not to be. They couldn't ID it, so they forgot about it and went to sleep.

 

I don't know about the bit about gag order - that wasn't included in the story. But I know that Buzz didn't ever say much about it because he didn't want to look "some damn idiot."

 

Of course, he seems to start talking about it right before he starts pimping his book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446604046/ But then, he's ALWAYS pimping his book.

 

TFS

[Tormod]

Well, if he saw something and couldn't identify it...then by definition it was a UFO...or at least a UO (we don't know that it was flying). :)

[TheFaithfulStone]

I still think we could use the F.

 

Floating.

 

Flying.

 

Freaky. :)

 

TFS

[Moontanman]

I still think we could use the F.

 

Floating.

 

Flying.

 

Freaky. ;)

 

TFS

 

 

Oh where have all the questions gone? Long time passing

Oh where have all the questions gone? Long time passing

 

Michael

Life is the poetry of the universe

Love is the poetry of life

[Buffy]

Oh where have all the questions gone? Long time passing

Gone to flowers, every one...

 

When will they ever learn, ;)

Buffy

[snoopy]

 

Oh where have all the questions gone? Long time passing

 

Gone to War everyone, when will they ever learn ?

When will they ever learn ?

 

To Moontanman,

 

First of all not sure if you can get a suntan off the moon or can feasibly sunbathe on it.

 

Now thats out the way, I would just like to say who knows what they saw ?

 

It could be anything.

 

ET is out there, I have faith in that (in other words I believe it)

 

But is unlikely to be visiting us as Amateur astronomers would have found out by now if big spacecraft were buzzing our world.

 

They are such gossips not one of them would be able to keep shut about it.

 

You basically have to ask if ET is out there he is not very radio intensive is he ?

 

Which is fine sort of as we don't yet know if radio is the best form of long distance communication but even then around local worlds radio is pretty useful so you would still expect to pick up some radio, wouldn't you ?

 

Also where did this craft come from and how did it know Apollo 11 was launching does ET have foresight knowledge are we to believe he/she is omniscient as well as being extra-solar.

 

How did ET get here so fast just to have a look at basically what to them must have been 'a pretty crap spacecraft'

 

You think they would have landed and given some advice on spacecraft building sort of like the interstellar equivalent of 'go fast stripes' or 'fluffy dice'

 

Anything after all would have been an improvement by what to them must have looked like 'a horse drawn cart'

 

I have come to the conclusion that ET if he/she exists is pretty sarky and purposely only visiting Earth just to sneer at us.

 

I feel totally miserable now please someone cheer me up and tell me ET doesn't exist. ;)

[Moontanman]

Gone to War everyone, when will they ever learn ?

When will they ever learn ?

 

To Moontanman,

 

First of all not sure if you can get a suntan off the moon or can feasibly sunbathe on it.

 

Now thats out the way, I would just like to say who knows what they saw ?

 

It could be anything.

 

ET is out there, I have faith in that (in other words I believe it)

 

But is unlikely to be visiting us as Amateur astronomers would have found out by now if big spacecraft were buzzing our world.

 

They are such gossips not one of them would be able to keep shut about it.

 

You basically have to ask if ET is out there he is not very radio intensive is he ?

 

Which is fine sort of as we don't yet know if radio is the best form of long distance communication but even then around local worlds radio is pretty useful so you would still expect to pick up some radio, wouldn't you ?

 

Also where did this craft come from and how did it know Apollo 11 was launching does ET have foresight knowledge are we to believe he/she is omniscient as well as being extra-solar.

 

How did ET get here so fast just to have a look at basically what to them must have been 'a pretty crap spacecraft'

 

You think they would have landed and given some advice on spacecraft building sort of like the interstellar equivalent of 'go fast stripes' or 'fluffy dice'

 

Anything after all would have been an improvement by what to them must have looked like 'a horse drawn cart'

 

I have come to the conclusion that ET if he/she exists is pretty sarky and purposely only visiting Earth just to sneer at us.

 

I feel totally miserable now please someone cheer me up and tell me ET doesn't exist. ;)

 

Well I'm not sure I can give you the information you require. I don't really think anyone can really deny or confirm the existence of ET. Having said that The story goes that ET has been monitoring us for quite some time. Some say WW 2 others say much longer then that. So if they have been looking us over they could have been intercepting our transmissions and pretty much knew what we were up to. One thing that is for sure is that any object following Apollo under it's own power at that time would have been ET. that of course is the real problem, exactly what if anything was following Apollo? Some say it was space craft pieces that weren't identifiable because of the inability to judge distance in space. This of course make more sense than ET. Later flights actually filmed objects that were a little bit more difficult to explain but still without some kind of radar observation real distance in space is difficult to judge. I guess until one lands on the white house lawn or comes into low earth orbit we won't know what is what!

 

Michael