Queso Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 I have never heard of a blind out of body experience, even Helen Keller who was blind at the time of her out of body experience claim to be able to see, so what was ever affecting her vision in The real world, was not doing this during that time, maybe that is because your inner core of energy is pure, with out any type of defects. Third eye, man. The only chakra science is forced to accept in total awe and mystery. I did some research and found some people that have known blind people who've taken psychedelics, like lysergic acid dimethylide, and were able to see inside themselves. Even common herbs like mugwort are said to stimulate the third eye.Sleep next to some drying herb, or stick it in your pillow, or make some tea, or smoke it. dreams become wildly vivid. I once had an out of body experience, and I felt it was real and I did leave my body, but I no longer want to have a seizure to prove it. Please google "wake induced lucid dreaming" there are videos, websites, all dedicated to this easy physical algorithm to initiate an OBEDo you really feel you leave your body during these situations, or are you dreaming? When I leave my body I feel a physical catapulsion. It's intense, and loud.I can then see myself sometimes.I was once dancing in deep meditation and I had an out of body experience. My mind bounced backwards and up about 20 feet and I watched myself somehow still dancing just in total awe of everything... I couldn't control my body I just exploded in amazment.It lasted 20 seconds then I ZOOOOMED back into my body SO FAST and it was like it never even happened! I just kept on dancing in awe at what we're capable of and barely anyone realizes it . . I feel very lucky and blessed to have these experiences.Do you feel you are of sound mind when this happens, just like you are when you decide to explore this possibility, when you do what you do with your eyes. almost always. Please feel free to pick one or more. 3) Love to analyze, into music, Arts, introvert, melancholy 4) Laid back easy going, get along with everybody I am right handed. I am 19 years old and I have had about a dozen out of body experiences. What was you trying to do while you were in that state?explore. I you did leave your body, how did it eel when you came back into it? Like a super fast zoom. Intense. Did you ever have a seizure during this time?No. Quote
LaurieAG Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 That's interesting Moontanman/Tim, Were you still having normal thoughts? I'm not sure i understand what you mean by normal thoughts. It seemed ok other than the bazarre nature of ther experience. could you remember if you could hear or not? No sound, complete quiet. How would you describe the form of your body? I looked the same as far as I could tell, but when you are awake how much of your body are you aware of? I could see or detect no more no less than normal of myself. the fact I could float or fly didn't seem to make me feel any difference. Do you remember if you were scared? No completly confident. I had a similar 'dream' in the early 90's. I have removed the few points that were not applicable in my case. The experience was very vivid and, while I could feel my body, or more correctly, felt the physical presence of other objects brushing my body, I was fully aware of my surroundings but cannot recall seeing anybody else or feeling physical discomfort (heat/cold). The dream went in 3 stages, all related to the height I was at and I had the distinct impression that I would continue to rise if I thought 'up'. The first stage went from the ground, in a twisting course through all the power lines etc to around 300M above my home, the second stage went to 1km high and I watched 8 foot swells roll in at my local beach (200m down the road, I could have watched the surf for a long time but was dragged further upwards), the third stage left me about 5km up after a seemingly endless procession of nothingness. When I came out of the clouds I could see what looked like a gigantic ancient altar (in the ocean) 5km high that looked a bit like Stonehenge, excepting that it had a humungeous maelstrom (whirlpool) at the center. I was lining myself up for a high dive straight down the throat of the maelstrom when I heard a booming voice say (BTW I've never had this experience before, apart from this one dream, but once I did become aware that I was in a dream and tested it (safely)) "DO NOT ENTER THE MAELSTROM". I turned away and woke up. I wasn't scared either. Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Orbsycli, If you are true, then I welcome you to other sites that I visit. Please let me know, if you would be interested in doing that from time to time. The reason I say that is for many different reasons. It gives me a chance to ask you more questions about your experiences It gives me time to explain my topic to you more It gives me time to bounce different things off of you, and it gives you a chance to interact with different people, at different points, with my topic. I tried and pick different sites to talk about my topic, so I could get different a better perspective, of how people feel about the possibility, or if they could bring forth any reason why it can't be done, but they have not been able to do that. Thank you for reading my thoughts,Tim Queso 1 Quote
Queso Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 edit:read your post wrong. I'd like to help you any way I can. Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 edit:read your post wrong. I'd like to help you any way I can. Sound good, what are you good at? Please take the time and tell me about some of your strong points, things that you have done, and had a passion while you were doing it. For my idea to work, we have to go over board on the positive because that is the only way, all these people who watch negativity on TV, is ever going to go for it, because they love to get lost in the drama of the moment, and that is just the way it is. Unless we can sell them in the positive of the possibility, they don't even want to try and understand it. People don't feel this is an everyday think about thing, unless we can explain why it is. It has to rate right up there with Hollywood everyday; are you ready to take on the world? Quote
Queso Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 I don't really understand your intentions.What do you mean by take on the world?From my perspective, OBE's are not an every day thing.Sure they're always happening to someone out there, but personally, from my perspective,they are very special events.I don't try and blast out of my body every single day. It's a little too intense. As a mass,people are dumb.I couldn't explain my experiences to a lot of people.I could, but they wouldn't understand.UNLESS they've experienced it.Dumb people tend to think they're dying, or they are getting abducted by aliens, or something dumb like that.When in reality it seems like when we have an OBE we're just changing the channel on the dimension...perspective....whatever you want to call it. Look-If you want to understand this more,I told you how you can do it.Go do it.Learn from your experiences.Are you afraid?Don't be. Peace wake induced lucid dreaming - Google Search Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 Thank you for reading my thoughts, I have an idea on how we can communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured, but there is more. Some do not want you to know this information, because they are afraid that they will be found, for mistakes that they have made, but If I am right, anybody who has not been certified correctly; to be who you say you are.Don't think when your turn comes up and you did not get red homeland security red tape certified, that you will not all of a sudden become a second citizen, world order will create more people who are happy to promote unhealthy life styles, let them enjoy there self down to a broken soul, because they are not afraid of broken souls, they can control broken souls, but to let them have the opportunity to communicate with their past family tree, now that was not in the plan.Is it a good deal or not for the rich? I think it would, because it opens up a whole new market, one that can be used by anybody on the Internet, after it is reviewed, for security reasons for now, but everybody gets am unity, so they are not in fear of the possibility, and all contacts at first will monitored for security reasons only, or anything that would be considered hurtful to any other party, making sure that people are warned of future mistakes, because everybody got am unity, so if you are O.J. old wife, and you have a chance to communicate back and explain what he did, would be breaking a law her self, since o.j. or anybody else that is alive, would get am unity, with special past privileges, and any one trying to bring up this past, will be stopped ands warned, and you will also have the ability to stop any type of information that floats through the sky, and stop it, review it, if you like, and destroy it, and report somebody, if they break this new type of experimental communication. We do not need Government, we need a purpose, this is my purpose, what do you think about having a back up plan? I know after I saw how bad things got in New Orleans, that maybe we need to think about all the back up plans, ex-specially since Lisa Williams is back for her second season. Thank you for reading my thoughts, seams like their was something I was suppose to do on this site this week end. Is there anybody out there, who would like to see this idea work out as I feel it should? Can you remember what I said I was going to do on Sunday? Tim Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 Thank you for reading my thoughts, I'm bored tonight and I am just throwing anything out there all week end long, because it just don't matter. I thought this possibility was a can't miss opportunity, ex specially since the potential of needing to be on the other end at some point made it a no brainier, and I truly don't know why. If I was a rain maker and told you I could make it to rain, would you not be interested, or the guy I saw who had an idea to lower the size of any hurricane, or my friend at work who believes he knows how to operate any machine, with just using gravity. Sure they say that everybody has a purpose, and they prob ally do depend on the traits of their DNA, and if they are making the right chooses through life, but back to my topic. My inner thoughts believe what they believe, and what does it hurt to try it anyway? Thank you for listening to my thoughts,Tim Quote
Queso Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 I don't see how any of that was relevent to out of body experiences. . Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 I don't see how any of that was relevant to out of body experiences. . It really was not, but instead of running off and analyzing it my self for so many years as Newton would do, because he had a hard time interacting, I just clear my mind from time to time, for all to see and do the best I can at the time with what I have to work with. I am in a strange situation, because of my credibility and nothing else. I already know in my inner thoughts that I can make this possibility of communicating a reality, I just have to wait until the opportunity or 15 minute window opens up, based on many different factors. Example, Five years from now, Bill Gates or Oprah has an out of body experience them self and they explore more about the experience and comes across my topic, and then I am explaining it better at that time, and they give me the support and tools to make it a reality. Bottom line,I am sitting against a fence that was created a long time ago, and I know that this long shot is ready to happen on so many different levels, and all we have to do at this time is keep an open mind for the possibility, because the evolution of our own thought and the random selection of people who have out of body experience is so close. Example, for every ten that have an out of body experience, at least one of them is a person of credibility, and the only thing that keeps them from helping this become a possibility, is the fact that they don't know how strong the value of the possibility is. Example: Have you ever had anything happen in your life, and you did not understand it, but after you talked to other people, you find that it is normal. A wet dream for example, it seamed strange at the time, and sure people did not talk about it everyday, but as your life continue to get older, you find the reason it happens, and you see it was just a small thing in the bigger picture, so is too this topic. It would be one thing, if curtain things only happen to me, but that is not the case, and when you take in consideration that it has happened for ever, and it will continue to happen makes it as much a constants to a wet dream, as anything else, an as we know with no science what so ever, that it is a natural normal. So let's get of of kinky for a moment and look at something else. Science says there is a lot of things on this Earth that it does not know, but they are pretty sure that energy can not be destroyed. We are energy, and we do exist from the inside out. Science can not know this to be fact, unless they have patients that is willing to show this as a possibility, and that is what I am trying to do. Unless you put the tools in place from both sides of this possibility, and see all the paradigm that is associated with it, we are just assuming, and sure this possibility could not be done years ago, because we did not have the tools to make it happen at that time, but we sure do now. The only problem about mind map thinking and paradigm thinking is, that there is no starting or ending point, and you have to explore it from a matrix that has the answers, you just have to learn to be patient during this time, not trying to be critical, because you then limit the matrix of the possibility. I think comedian Carol Burnett said it best, "about the time you get your head on straight your body falls apart." We have over 6 billion people on this Earth, and the only think stopping these people from thinking about this topic, is our lack of understanding how important it is to have them use their 40,000 thoughts a day toward making this a reality. Example: You don't know what I am thinking , as I do not know what you are thinking, but if we put a plan toward this possibility, at least we know we are thinking in the same direction, and the answer that we need to make it a reality has a better chance at that time. I honestly feel if I had more time and tools to make this a reality just on that merit alone, I could do it, but if I have to be the only one to get other people to speed on my own, I will have a harder time, because I am waisting my 40,000 thoughts. It is kind of like a quarter back who is trying to do it all them self, they will lose. They need a team to help them, so he can focus on what he does best. Thank you for reading my thoughts, Tim Quote
Queso Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 what are you trying to do?set up an out of body institution? you might want to look into crystal bowl performances, and things like that. as for the whole make-money-off-dumb-rich-people scheme, you're on your own. Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 what are you trying to do?set up an out of body institution? you might want to look into crystal bowl performances, and things like that. as for the whole make-money-off-dumb-rich-people scheme, you're on your own. My ultimate goal is to help in making this possibility a reality, and to get better at explaining it to the general masses, because they will have so many different questions. This topic for now, is a place where you can interact about the possibility, with out having to be ridicule for doing so. A lot of people on this Earth has had some type of experience along this field, and thanks to the Internet, I might be able to understand what they are trying to say, and use it to help this topic.I feel it is in our best interest to continue listening to these things as we put together the best plan in making it a reality. I tell future management all the time, that when you work with different management, remember all there strong points, and forget their bad, and this topic is no different, but if some continue to write off this possibility, by using lame excuses, and not creating value to all the good points.They are wasting time and limiting this communication possibility. Thank you for reading my thoughts,Tim Quote
Tim Brewer Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 To whom it may concern, Have you ever tried to make something out of nothing, it is hard to do, but as much as we know and don't know about this topic, there will be some who will come a long and act as though we have nothing to explore, because it has already been done before. I believe that is not the case, and this field is open to anybody who has the time to do the research, I don't care what others feel about stopping a possibility, that I have seen before.Pleas tell these people to take the time to connect the dots, surrounding this possibility, and we they say they don't get it, tell them to go back to square one and connect the dots again. We have plenty of people on this earth that would like to live the life of an victim, but that does not mean we all have too. The bars are empty, because everybody wants to show they have better will power than Brittney Spears. People who use to me friends might go, but everybody else is showing that their emotions can change depending what is in the news today. Lets first look at me, to save time. Everybody has an ego and I am no different, but I put my ego into the fact that I love to analyze. At one point in my life, I loved to lay in my parents gravel driveway and just play in the dirt with all the different toy cars, and feel the moment, but that was then, and this is now. I am always bored, regardless how good I get at anything, and the best way to rest that ego, is to use that ability toward something that can solve the most problems in our life. My body and your body is always taking us out of pain and into pleasure and we need to pay attention to that more. Example, yesterday we are complaining it is hot, today we might be thinking it is too cold. I believe this topic falls in some people comfort zone in the wrong spot, but that spot can be changed if we want too. Example, you have never been scared of anything, and then all of a sudden something happens in your life, and you are scared. My topic in your thoughts might think of this topic one way, and regardless how I keep explaining it, you still don't really get it. This is normal, now we have to recognize this, and make some changes. Where you create this world matrix, is only one good thought. Say i put the front door of a business to the right of the building, or left of the building, or I just have one big front door, what ever way I decide to do it, changes you in the slightest of ways, just like Home Depot, who puts the exit doors at one end of the building, or the enter door at a different spot. Now you are left having to think, where is the best place to park for this situation, and what do I have to do to get in and out of that place. Here I am complaining about these check out machine lines, but I am wanting you to try my idea. This part might sound bad as well, since they put that sensor inside your scull. Now I would not expect anybody to have to go through any side of surgery, and I will do my best to limit your access to the actual machine, because you truly just want to keep it on the emotional level, like you do any thing else in life, but trust me when I say. there is no part of this topic, that I can not explore better. I bounce around from topic to topic, and jump off of topic, but at least you have somebody who is able to do this? I once remember being at The Indy 500, and sitting on the inside of the track. close to the pits, when a car wrecked, and the people at the front of the bleachers, leaned back in their seats, and as I could see the wave of other people leaning back as the wave came at me, I moved only in body, not in thought, as I was wondering what would happen to the fans on the back row. Out of body afterlife is like this. In my out of body state, I was connected to other energy that was around me, but I still had the ability to move with very little effort, and that effort depended on how I was feeling at the time. You feel like you are vulnerable at the time, and you could show the potential to be scared of everything, or just hoping somebody else will figure it out, but I don't feel that is the case with this topic, because I am connected to it, so I am stuck with it, unless somebody else can come along and quote me thought for thought word for word, depending where we are at with this topic, so I am an expert, that might be showing potential in a field, but also want to express it Like the Rush likes to do on radio. Some people try all their life to be successful, I tried for the longest time not to be, because I wanted to have fun and just think about my self, not knowing at the time that I have a purpose, and now I show up out of the blue to you, and say I confess this is my purpose and you are thinking it is not, don't waste your time. I have forgot more about this topic, than some will ever know. I was analyzing this shot in 8-ball, when this inner thoughts told me that they are ready to communicate, I did not know at the time that it was nothing more than my inner thoughts wanting to communicate, but after asking my inner thoughts more questions, and respecting what my inner thoughts had to say, that I began to notice that I was on to something that was very big. At that time in my life, I was not focused on afterlife, I was a vice President of operations, for a financial company. I had five supervisors working under me, with an assistant that understood me, and could brake it down. When I first started for them, they gave me a region to supervise, that was not even built yet, but we could see what needed done and we made it happen. Everything I did, just came to me, with no effort. Before I left that company, I had cross trained everybody on how to do everything that I could do, and I was an icon in the public eye. I decided one day that I need to put all my effort toward this topic, so I started to do the research. I watched all these shows, read all type of information, mostly just confirming things that I already knew. I learn something new everyday, and on some days, I took it up into the thousands. I believe you can listen or visualize even more than the 40,000 thoughts they say you can have on average everyday. Part of my mind right now is on hold, just waiting for the opportunity to perform task that can make all of our life 's better. Thank you for reading my thoughts, unless you have one really good question that you want posted on Sunday. To save time in the future, I will be only answering one question from one site on every Sunday, as time permits. Instead I will be explaining things about this topic, because the more I can express, the more you can feel. and then the sooner this becomes a reality. I am willing to bet, that the file cabinet in the sky, already has plans for my file folder. Nobody through out your life can be tougher on you, than you, and the only reason some don't understand that, is because we love to communicate, so we love to bi-past the fact that we are inner energy possibilities, and I say that, because our inner ability has the ability to evolve with thought, always changing the energy of ever thing. In other words, if you have to continue trying to think what people are thinking hear on Earth, since they can express it in so many different ways or media contacts, then what chance in Hell do you ever expect to communicate with them there. I use to always ask my wife what she was thinking, and then measuring the results, it just comes natural to me. Now at that point, I could throw all type of drama in there if I wanted too, but I did not. There are so many things on this Earth that we could be focused on, and each one of them takes it's allotted amount of time, so if I am wrong, to allow my life to be compromised, so others could continue to do what they love to do, then that is fine with me. Is my topic a light switch possibility. It is taking energy, that can be measured and putting it in a different situation, and seeing if it can still be measured, but changing the lay out a little to be more customer friendly, for all parties involved. the fact that they don't understand them self, and it is not about the hustle, it is about treating every person like family and backing it up. In my family we do not criticize, condemn or complain about family, Have a plan, that is always growing, being watched, but very little control, because things can only happen when you let it grow. Thank you for reading my off topic thoughts,Tim Quote
Eclogite Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 If I was a rain maker and told you I could make it to rain, would you not be interested, ....?TimNo I would not be interested. Why? Out of one thousand individuals claiming to be rainmakers approximately one thousand of them are wholly unable to make rain. Therefore, to invest time, money, resources or attention in them and their claim is almost certainly going to be a waste. I am opposed to waste. for every ten that have an out of body experience, at least one of them is a person of credibilityI am not questioning the reality of out of body experiences, I am questioning their credibility. Quote
Queso Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 there are people who really claim they can make it rain?reminds me of Tom Waits :doh: "MAKE IT RAIN!" This thread is a department of out of body possibilities.So is there anyone interested in having an out of body experience? I think it would be interesting if all hypography members interested in OBE's would follow the Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming procedure (or any other method that works for them. WILD technique is just easiest for me) and then document their experiences here for our analyzation. I've tried to do this a few times but I think everyone's too lazy and uninterested in experimenting with their state of mind. :evil: :) Quote
CraigD Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 So is there anyone interested in having an out of body experience? I think it would be interesting if all hypography members interested in OBE's would follow the Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming procedure (or any other method that works for them. WILD technique is just easiest for me) and then document their experiences here for our analyzation.I’ll join. It’s been over a decade since I tried WILD or similar “deaming about where you actually are” techniques but enjoyed the experience when last I did. I didn’t get the strong impression of interacting with objective reality that some people claim – there were too many dream signs present, such as objects in my rooms I knew weren’t actually there, or weren’t present in the quantities I experiences – one of my most memorable experiences was marveling at a construction apparently made by my then six-year-old son’s out of his toy hardwood blocks that required many times the number of blocks he had. To use a term popularized by C.J. Jung, the experience was numinous. :xparty: :Exclamati I think it’s critically important, though, to objectively, scientifically define what is meant in this thread by “out of body experience”. I propose that it be defined as objectively real and verifiable. For an experience to be considered an OBE, the subject must interact with or perceive something they could not with their body and its senses. For example, and OBE in which “you” leave your body, move to another room or another place in a room and affect a physical object beyond your body’s physical reach, such as flipping a light switch, qualifies. An experience in which you move to a location and obtain information you could not perceive from your body’s current location, such as a 5-digit number printed on a card placed on a stand facing away from your body’s position (in a room without mirrors, etc, and, obviously, without you viewing the card before or after the candidate OBE). An experience in which you vividly experience flipping a switch, but the switch is not actually flipped as verified by an independent observer, or vividly experience reading a number which you can later recall, but that does not match the actual printed number, does not qualify. It’s OK to agree that this is not our definition of an OBE, but without defining it as objectively real, our investigation falls into the domain of “soft science” such as psychology. Referring as it does to the objectively real entity “body” and objectively real region of space “outside of”, change the definition of an OBE to a subjective psychological experience and belief is, IMHO, quite a demotion. :( So, is anyone interested not only in having OBEs, but in testing for their objective reality? Early experiments of this kind don’t need elaborate planning or controls – a simple, good-faith effort not to “cheat”, some simple paper products, and, ideally, a trustworthy assistant, will suffice. If a positive result can be demonstrated – for example, successfully reading numbers from a concealed card using WILD-induced OBEs – the tests can be repeated using appropriately rigorous controls. Quote
Queso Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 I’ll join. It’s been over a decade since I tried WILD or similar “deaming about where you actually are” techniques but enjoyed the experience when last I did. I didn’t get the strong impression of interacting with objective reality that some people claim – there were too many dream signs present, such as objects in my rooms I knew weren’t actually there, or weren’t present in the quantities I experiences – one of my most memorable experiences was marveling at a construction apparently made by my then six-year-old son’s out of his toy hardwood blocks that required many times the number of blocks he had. To use a term popularized by C.J. Jung, the experience was numinous. :xparty: :Exclamati I think it’s critically important, though, to objectively, scientifically define what is meant in this thread by “out of body experience”. I propose that it be defined as objectively real and verifiable. For an experience to be considered an OBE, the subject must interact with or perceive something they could not with their body and its senses. For example, and OBE in which “you” leave your body, move to another room or another place in a room and affect a physical object beyond your body’s physical reach, such as flipping a light switch, qualifies. An experience in which you move to a location and obtain information you could not perceive from your body’s current location, such as a 5-digit number printed on a card placed on a stand facing away from your body’s position (in a room without mirrors, etc, and, obviously, without you viewing the card before or after the candidate OBE). An experience in which you vividly experience flipping a switch, but the switch is not actually flipped as verified by an independent observer, or vividly experience reading a number which you can later recall, but that does not match the actual printed number, does not qualify. It’s OK to agree that this is not our definition of an OBE, but without defining it as objectively real, our investigation falls into the domain of “soft science” such as psychology. Referring as it does to the objectively real entity “body” and objectively real region of space “outside of”, change the definition of an OBE to a subjective psychological experience and belief is, IMHO, quite a demotion. :eek: So, is anyone interested not only in having OBEs, but in testing for their objective reality? Early experiments of this kind don’t need elaborate planning or controls – a simple, good-faith effort not to “cheat”, some simple paper products, and, ideally, a trustworthy assistant, will suffice. If a positive result can be demonstrated – for example, successfully reading numbers from a concealed card using WILD-induced OBEs – the tests can be repeated using appropriately rigorous controls. Thanks for chiming in.I've never thought of testing this state of mind with concealed flash cards or anything like that. that is very interesting. To me, an OBE is a seperation of mind and body. When this happens, I experience an intense blast off. This is always an indication I have "left"but I don't believe I always leave.Sometimes I go inwards, inside.Since this is the case, I have no idea how I would be able to read concealed flash cards in my room if I was just in the memory of my room in my mind,rather than a true "astral projection" where my mind finds itself hovering over my body, in the space that I frequently inhabit. (A lot of people experience this and have no idea what to think) I've had both inward and outward projections, and I havn't figured out how to control that yet. In fact, I've only had one outward projection (and that was while I was dancing with photon lights. amazing) There is a very distinct difference. The vividity and quality of these outward projections are so astonishing they dumbfound you and leave you in a state of total shock and awe. Inward OBE's are just as intense, but there's just a difference.Hard to explain:( All the rest of my experiences have been inward, my imagiNation. What do you think about the inward/outward projections?Have you experienced this as well? Quote
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