The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[Queso]

And by outward projection, I mean "injection"

that seems to fit better.

[LaurieAG]

So, is anyone interested not only in having OBEs, but in testing for their objective reality? Early experiments of this kind don’t need elaborate planning or controls – a simple, good-faith effort not to “cheat”, some simple paper products, and, ideally, a trustworthy assistant, will suffice. If a positive result can be demonstrated – for example, successfully reading numbers from a concealed card using WILD-induced OBEs – the tests can be repeated using appropriately rigorous controls.

 

Hi Craig,

 

This page refers to some of the experimental tests undertaken since the early 60's. Dreaming, Illusion, and Reality

 

Verifying to your subconscious, within a dream/OBE, that you are within a dream/OBE is vastly different to external physical verification of an OBE, especially if the dream/OBE is that of an observer. However in certain cases, especially those that are being experimented on and tested today, external verification of a physical nature does also include describing a location you have never visited, after the dream/OBE ends.

 

Once I realised that I was in a dream. I thought that I must devise a test that would show me if I was in the dream, while also covering myself if I wasn't. I had to do something that I would normally not do, something that might only wind me if I wasn't in a dream. I 'found' a cliff in a clay quarry about 15 feet high and dived off it. As I came down I braced my body for the crunch and landed without any pain. I immediately got up, brushed the dust off, and did it again.

[Moontanman]

I don't know if this qualifies as an out of the body experience but I had a strange half dream last night. I often have this type of dream but this time it was unique. I often have dreams where I am looking at the world through someone else's eyes. I have no control over where they look but I see what they see. Often I have seen things that were on the news that day or a day or two later. I can't prove it so you'll just have to take my word for it.

But this time I was looking through the eyes of an old man riding in a car. His hands were wrinkled and covered with white hairs. He looked at the road and it was an old road with a train track running down the middle of it. I had the impression the train track hadn't been used in a very long time. As we came up over a rise the train track veered to the right and disappeared behind a ragged brick wall. The wall was painted with gang signs the newest of which were painted in bright purple. As we drove along we drove by a large ware house type building that was lighted inside with actinic lighting. Several odd looking purple vans or cars were parked outside. I got the feeling the man I was looking through was scared and he looked over at the driver.

The driver was my son at my age now and I realized the old man was me. I was holding a book in my hands and my son said to me. "Dad you know this is best, they can care for you there. You can't even remember that you wrote the book you are holding." I looked down and sure enough my name was listed as the author. I began to have a very bad feeling I was being taken some place very bad. The car was odd with a joy stick instead of a steering wheel and the way it ran I could tell it wasn't a piston engine but it didn't feel like an electric car either. The book was a book I have been making notes on and thinking of writing. Then I woke up. Really odd, first time I have ever looked through my own eyes in one of these dreams.

 

Michael

[Queso]

Inside the mind,

in the dimensions that are yet to be explained

time dilates.

Your dream was a vision. Maybe it will become true, maybe it won't.

Maybe because you saw the vision you might avoid it now.

It could have just been made up.

So many possibilities.

 

I really believe that our consciousness gives us the ability to choose which path we want to take. We now have the ability to be free. A lot of folks haven't grasped what that truly means yet.

You saw down one path.

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

 

Would you like to know what I see down that path?

[Queso]

As long as it doesn't involve celebrities and money.

[Moontanman]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

 

Would you like to know what I see down that path?

 

Go for it, I like to hear what others think, when my sons and I get together we have made some amazing hits on psi tests, mostly remote veiwing. I don't know why we have to be togther for it to work as well as it does but I've seen weirder things.

 

Michael

[Moontanman]

Sorry not going to happen.

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for that reply,

 

My inner thoughts tell me that I need attention from the media on this topic and they will take care of the rest.

 

Is this possible,

 

Thank you,

Tim

[Moontanman]

Thank you for that reply,

 

My inner thoughts tell me that I need attention from the media on this topic and they will take care of the rest.

 

Is this possible,

 

Thank you,

Tim

 

I don't see what you mean? Media attention about my friends death? I don't think so!

 

Michael

[Queso]

he wants to make some sort of institution for out of body experiences so that famous people will get involved.

 

pretty weird intentions.

[Moontanman]

he wants to make some sort of institution for out of body experiences so that famous people will get involved.

 

pretty weird intentions.

 

Not with my friends death, never, Never!

 

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

I don't see what you mean? Media attention about my friends death? I don't think so!

 

Michael

 

I'm sorry, that was not what I am talking about. Ever since the first day since I got these thoughts that it is possible to communicate with future out of body afterlife people, my inner thoughts have been making it happen, now since I personally don't even know my moms phone number by heart, I would have to say that my inner thoughts are working on there own.

 

Now do I waste time and say nothing about this path I am down, or do we allow it to play out?

 

I don't know about you, but I can't think of anything else going on right now, that couldn't get better with this possibility.

 

Is medium Lisa Williams real or not, and if she is, then my topic could be as well.

 

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

[Moontanman]

I'm sorry, that was not what I am talking about. Ever since the first day since I got these thoughts that it is possible to communicate with future out of body afterlife people, my inner thoughts have been making it happen, now since I personally don't even know my moms phone number by heart, I would have to say that my inner thoughts are working on there own.

 

Now do I waste time and say nothing about this path I am down, or do we allow it to play out?

 

I don't know about you, but I can't think of anything else going on right now, that couldn't get better with this possibility.

 

Is medium Lisa Williams real or not, and if she is, then my topic could be as well.

 

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

 

Every medium I have ever seen or heard of including faith healers are just illisonists in disguse. They are not real and use time tested tricks to pick out and manipulate their marks. If you want to comment on my dream or OBE's feels free to do so just leave my friend out of it.

 

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

I am deeply sorry, this topic is like a blanket and at times, it will lay in places that don't need to be touched. That is why this possibility can be reached, but it will need regulations just like anything else that is touchy in nature.

 

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

[Moontanman]

I am deeply sorry, this topic is like a blanket and at times, it will lay in places that don't need to be touched. That is why this possibility can be reached, but it will need regulations just like anything else that is touchy in nature.

 

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

 

Are you trying to tell me you are a medium Tim? Pass the Skeptical Inquirer test and I'll give you credence other wise tell me what three objects I Keep on top of my computer. They've been there for almost ten years and have deep meaning for me. I also keep a picture above my computer, tell me what it is. So far no one has been able to do so. But my sons and I did take a test by a psi team and we made a direct hit completely and totally describing a picture from more than 2000 miles away. It totally floored all of us and we have had less spectacular results as well but that one time was outside the bell curve or we really saw the picture in our minds. We each saw a separate detail that completed the picture. It was the only honest real hit I have ever seen done that exactly with no outside information. But as I said earlier it could have just been a fluke. If it's not repeatable, it can't be measured, and so lies outside the realm of science.

 

 

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

I believe we are all mediums, but not at the level you are talking about.

 

We are medium to our nature, and depending what is going on in that nature might dictate what we know or don't know.

 

My medium goes to the point where we touch space, what ever that might be, and listening with an empathy that I would use with any other person, and just excepting what I see at time as fact, and trying to learn from it as well.

 

The this topic is the only Fields of science that I know, that they don't want to do anything about it, even though they know they don't know anything about it. They have not ever used patients as I am wanting to do, or use the machine that I want to use, even though they would have to be quite aware that I have done some home work, some time, and have a passion and a desire to see it happen.

 

Why should I have to do anything. I don't need to prove anything. I have laid out the idea, it is easier in theory than putting a bicycle in place from start to finish. Looking at the pictures, talking about it, working on putting it together, and then deciding if we need to put on training wheels or not. What can you handle, just like Lisa Williams saids, how much do you want to know?

 

You want the gossip, the drama, the denial, the conflicts, the dirt on ever thing and everybody, and if you don't want that, something else that could be made up just as well. All that is possible, but it also can be controlled, depending on how you want it to play out.

 

This type of communication will be set up as a privilege, and besides the fact that all will be immune to any type of law suite, or public scrutiny, there will be guidelines that will make the whole topic boring.

 

Is my idea possible, who knows, but as of this time right now, it is not impossible,

 

Thank you,

Tim

 

 

If what you say about the early information on the towers is correct, then that does fall in line with what I am saying. Just because you are in the water with the fish, don't mean they are going to bite every time.

 

Everybody can't be a witness, and it usually only happens once, if it ever happens to you.

 

I feel the force, and they want to communicate in a simple straight forward way of doing it, so what is the problem?

 

Please make it good, so we can move toward making this happen.

 

My idea is almost as easy as closing on a house, we talk about this and we talk about that, but we are always moving toward a closing date, a time where we can put it all in place, since it Will be nothing more than making a few little changes in thought and action as a result of that.

 

Can we close my idea like closing on a house, what do you think, because the price really don't mean anything.

 

Thank you again for reading my thoughts,

Tim

 

P.S. I almost feel like somebody is trying to slow me down on a no brainier of an idea.