The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[Queso]

what's the problem, guys?

 

Tim. Ultimately. What do you want?

[Moontanman]

what's the problem, guys?

 

Tim. Ultimately. What do you want?

 

Tell you what I want, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

Don't urinate on me and tell me it's raining! If you claim some extraordinary power or sense lets see some proof. Tell me anything that only I could know about anything, a message from my ancestors? The lotto numbers for this week? Stand a pencil on it's point without touching it. Anything that would allow me to know that all the letters and words Tim writes has any meaning what so ever. I'll discuss anything but don't make vague claims and then not be able to back them up. I've already said my experiences could be explained by statistical anomalies and a couple others by anoxia and maybe hallucinogens. No mumbo jumbo required. Just because something unusual happens doesn't mean the galactic federation is calling it could be a slow aneurysm talking to you! I've been waiting for years to see if anyone could tell me anything of substance that only I could know or that was unknowable through normals means. So far no winners. I've had lots of people claim to be able to but not even something simple like what the photo above my computer is has been done or even come close to being guessed. I think the possibilities are facinating but I'm still waiting on the real deal.

 

Michael

[Queso]

read the thread.

You will find my methods of inducing OBE's.

You'll read others as well.

You'll read about Tim's strange plan,

and a lot more.

OBE's happen.

I know how to make them happen.

I'm not trying to set up an institution for celebrities, though.

I do it for fun . . guidance . . dig?

[Moontanman]

read the thread.

You will find my methods of inducing OBE's.

You'll read others as well.

You'll read about Tim's strange plan,

and a lot more.

OBE's happen.

I know how to make them happen.

I'm not trying to set up an institution for celebrities, though.

I do it for fun . . guidance . . dig?

 

Let me in one the method, I used to do it naturally. I'm not completely sure if any of them were real but I did see people in places and then ask them later if they were there and they said they were. I even got thier clothes right but still it was within satistical possibilities of chance, ie not proveable.

 

Michael

[Queso]

My favorite method is wake induced lucid dreaming.

Google it, or look back into the thread.

It works for me every time.

[Moontanman]

My favorite method is wake induced lucid dreaming.

Google it, or look back into the thread.

It works for me every time.

 

I can lucid dream anytime I sleep. I sleep with my eyes open and when the spot of light on the ceiling starts to swirl it means I am dreaming and free to do anything I want. It's really a great way to entertain yourself but I never thought of it as OBE, that was always completely different.

 

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

Tell you what I want, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

Evidence is evidence, even though the space shuttle blew up in the sky, the evidence was small and scattered, and we knew about it.

 

 

Don't urinate on me and tell me it's raining! If you claim some extraordinary power or sense lets see some proof.

 

Please take the time to check all around the world and tell me how many people has claimed that we can communicate with BrainGate as I am saying. I would think the number would be none, or one for me.

 

Here is your sign, and let me tell you why. Lets say that I am on Highway 70, coming across 75. this can only happen in one place at one time to be done right.

 

You can not improve your golf swing, on visualization all your life and be a great golfer. If you could be, or if you could not, would still depend on some way of measuring it, just as I have proposed.

 

You take a patient of brainGate and you teach them toward this possibility.

 

First place a person in a room, then tell them what you want them to do, with out them being able to hear you.

 

that is part of this idea, we will try all type of different communication measuring, with real humans, and then try some different scenarios, and see if we get a hit. It's kind of like trying to find the right lure, for the right type of fish.

 

If the line is too heavy, it ways down your chances, it the line is too light, it will receive light.

 

Everything to do with my idea can be measured once the idea is put in place.

 

Tell me anything that only I could know about anything, a message from my ancestors?

 

Do you feel that I have been focused on that? Do you think that is an "a" list thing?

 

The lotto numbers for this week?

 

Pick 3

 

example:

 

123

 

023

223

113

133

122

124

 

each number follows a pattern, there is only 1,000 different numbers to the pick three, if you pick all thousand of them you would win, but you would lose a lot of money doing it.

 

numbers follow trends, and once you can spot the trends, you have a better chance of winning. This is only possible because the numbers are required to move every day, which gets the trends going.

 

That is not solving a problem

Stand a pencil on it's point without touching it. Anything that would allow me to know that all the letters and words Tim writes has any meaning what so ever. I'll discuss anything but don't make vague claims and then not be able to back them up.

 

I paint pictures, that once they are painted, back up anything I say. If you can not see it yet, that is because I have not started painting yet.

 

My evidence is in the gray area of the type of culture we live in.

 

I could tell you that playing a record back wards, can cause weird noises, but I can not give you evidence, until I am given access to a record player.

 

I've already said my experiences could be explained by statistical anomalies and a couple others by anoxia and maybe hallucinogens. No mumbo jumbo required. Just because something unusual happens doesn't mean the galactic federation is calling it could be a slow aneurysm talking to you! I've been waiting for years to see if anyone could tell me anything of substance that only I could know or that was unknowable through normals means. So far no winners.

 

I think the problem is, that you are looking at this idea all wrong. I don't care at any point in my life, that I ever see anything strange, but I stil want to have a back up plan in place.

 

I want to know that there is a place where we all know where it is, and we can try and make it work in the afterlife if we find that we are still thinking, seeing and moving around after we die.

 

This is a thought that can only be explained if you ever saw the black and white version of Miracle on Th street. Some things in life you just have to try, even when silly common sense tells you not too.

 

My idea is no right or wrong, good or bad, or anything, because it has not seen the light of day, because we want to attack the concept of doing it to begin with, and that is just not right.

 

How many life's will be lost as a result of my experiment?

 

None

 

Will anybody be forced to do something that they don't want to do?

No

 

Can we record my idea every step of the way?

Yes

 

Is this how you close on a house?

 

That is the best that you have, for wanting to stop this idea in it's track?

 

You must not know about me.

 

 

I've had lots of people claim to be able to but not even something simple like what the photo above my computer is has been done or even come close to being guessed. I think the possibilities are fascinating but I'm still waiting on the real deal.

 

 

Opportunity comes everyday, and you have to be in the right mind set or position to make a difference.

 

Michael

 

Tim

[Tim Brewer]

Hi Craig,

 

This page refers to some of the experimental tests undertaken since the early 60's. Dreaming, Illusion, and Reality

 

Verifying to your subconscious, within a dream/OBE, that you are within a dream/OBE is vastly different to external physical verification of an OBE, especially if the dream/OBE is that of an observer. However in certain cases, especially those that are being experimented on and tested today, external verification of a physical nature does also include describing a location you have never visited, after the dream/OBE ends.

 

Once I realised that I was in a dream. I thought that I must devise a test that would show me if I was in the dream, while also covering myself if I wasn't. I had to do something that I would normally not do, something that might only wind me if I wasn't in a dream. I 'found' a cliff in a clay quarry about 15 feet high and dived off it. As I came down I braced my body for the crunch and landed without any pain. I immediately got up, brushed the dust off, and did it again.

 

Don't waste your time and get tied up on if it was a dream or not as they did, they added info but they were off base, and that is that for now. this reality is a part of your energy, and yes dreams are their just like everything else that goes on in your thoughts but that is not all of it, for any length of time, unles that is what is needed for the time at hand. Your thought swear so many different hats, that you are just in the way most of the time to what it could do if given the right opportunity.

 

My goal is to let people fly in ways that they have never flown before, and all they have to do is act naturally, because in the big picture of things, this ain't rocket science, and sure it is going to be a little more complicated than just washing your hands of some germs, but that is the thrill of taking on challnges that have value, such as this topic.

[Moontanman]

Tim

 

 

Do you really think none of the things you say have never been done? You really need to do some research, a great many experiments have been performed both in the past and in the present. sometimes you get significant results sometimes you don't. So far it all falls within the satistical probabilities of chance. I've heard some interesting claims that Supposedly the CIA experimented with remote veiwing and had some success but abanded it as unreliable. So far it has been about as repeatable as UFO's.

 

Michael

[Queso]

I can lucid dream anytime I sleep. I sleep with my eyes open and when the spot of light on the ceiling starts to swirl it means I am dreaming and free to do anything I want. It's really a great way to entertain yourself but I never thought of it as OBE, that was always completely different.

 

Michael

 

You really should go back and read this thread.

There's a difference between lucid dreaming and an OBE.

[Tim Brewer]

Do you really think none of the things you say have never been done? You really need to do some research, a great many experiments have been performed both in the past and in the present. sometimes you get significant results sometimes you don't. So far it all falls within the satistical probabilities of chance. I've heard some interesting claims that Supposedly the CIA experimented with remote veiwing and had some success but abanded it as unreliable. So far it has been about as repeatable as UFO's.

 

Michael

 

No I don't, because the technology is too new, at least the part I am talking about.

[Moontanman]

No I don't, because the technology is too new, at least the part I am talking about.

 

Ok, I'll ask, what technology are you talking about? I know that alien abduction type experiences can be induced by low level electromagnetic waves, so can obe's. What tecnology is so new that it is not being used right now to explore psi phenomenoma? I really thought I was up to date on this subject.

 

Michael

[Moontanman]

read the thread.

You will find my methods of inducing OBE's.

You'll read others as well.

You'll read about Tim's strange plan,

and a lot more.

OBE's happen.

I know how to make them happen.

I'm not trying to set up an institution for celebrities, though.

I do it for fun . . guidance . . dig?

 

I wish I could still make them happen but it has been a number of years since I had what felt to be a real obe. When I was young all I had to do was fall asleep on my back and I would go into an obe much of the time especially when I was working midnight shift and had to sleep during the day. I seldom really sleep at all anymore like most people do. My wife sleeps like the dead but i am always aware at some level of everything that is going on around me. Very frustrating sometimes when you feel the need for deep sleep but it just won't come.

 

Michael

[Moontanman]

I honestly don't see a connection between "Brain Gate" and anything like an OBE. It's just a straight forward sensing of brain waves by a machine that uses those brain waves to operate another machine.

 

Using electromagnetic waves to induce OBE's or other experiences would seem a little bit closer to what you are saying or at least what I think you are saying.

 

If you really want a mind trip take an EEG, wildest experience I ever had, you could sell time on a machine like that. I saw some of the wildest visions I have ever imagined. But then again there is a part of my brain that gives off anomalous readings so maybe it's just me that sees the wild multidimensional vista when they flash the lights in my eyes.

 

Michael

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

 

I am sorry to anybody who is having trouble sleeping, especially if you love to sleep. There are days where I come home from work with the plan of just taking a quick nap, so I can get two days out of one.

Unless you have a medical problem you can use your right brain to talk your left brain into going to sleep.

 

Please let me know if you would like to try what I do?

 

Thank you,

Tim

[Tim Brewer]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

 

My idea has value, and let me tell you why.

 

It breaks no laws of science, it is only able to add to them.

 

This free concept on setting it up for free, will start to catch on.

 

Who would not want to know more about this topic for free.

 

Things are happening so fast with it now, you have to start to wonder when they are going to do it.

 

As a country, we have no back up plan in this field now. I ask that we do it, open the door to my free idea, from start to finish.

 

If we were attacked by another country with this type of capability.

 

Just take a moment and imagine what life would be like if another country kept it from us that this idea is possible, because they are using it for their own imagination. Would they use it for good or bad. Either way, it is out of our control at that point, because we have been played on this possibility and I don't know why.

 

The idea is sound, and the cost is free to try on my end of it, but that is as far as it got.

 

I am on this one religious site, where I get the feeling every time I place a post, they can't do anything until they go to church on Sunday and get the politically correct answer for what I might of said. Now that does not count how many of my post they have deleted.

 

They do not want to be informed, regardless if there might be some type of truth to it.

 

 

Once again this idea does not take from any religion, or people thoughts on what happens to them when they die, it can only add to it.

 

Regardless what somebody is doing, this idea will only add to it, because if you think you die and this happens, or you think this happens, then you too needs this back up plan, because everybody might not be right, and to only see the right hand, you have to have a plan, and it is so quick, easy and free.

 

How many shows of fox worthy do you have to watch, before you see the signs your self?

 

Some feel it is over the top, well yes that is a problem because that is where the over the top happens, in reality.

 

If it is real, then it does not matter if it is over the top or not, because it is going to happen, with or with out you, and yes after it finally sinks in with you, then you start seeing how you could build a career around this possibility, because it is a true natural challenge that needs explored again, just to make sure that we did not miss something that could of worked after all, ex specially since his idea is doable and it could be started for free!!!

 

Now if you ever find your self in this situation, you will now have a place where you can go and hang out or work out, using your energy like never before. Your goal is to do what ever you can to make this happen and do that free.

 

Thank you once again for reading my thoughts,

 

Tim

[Queso]

If it is real, then it does not matter if it is over the top or not, because it is going to happen, with or with out you, and yes after it finally sinks in with you, then you start seeing how you could build a career around this possibility, because it is a true natural challenge that needs explored again, just to make sure that we did not miss something that could of worked after all, ex specially since his idea is doable and it could be started for free!!!

 

Now if you ever find your self in this situation, you will now have a place where you can go and hang out or work out, using your energy like never before. Your goal is to do what ever you can to make this happen and do that free.

 

What are you saying??

If what is real??

 

Out of body experiences aren't a countries "problem" nor are they a weapon. (Unless you could just switch everyones brain on to blast them out of their bodies rendering everyone immobile....)

 

And what situation are you talking about?

Mr. Brewer you are being extremely vague.