Michaelangelica Posted May 25, 2007 Report Posted May 25, 2007 I though we had a thread on this? O wellKurt has given me permission to re-post his Terra preta list posthttp://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0044-59672004000200004&script=sci_arttext An interesting bit of information comes out of the above article. The "cauixi" mentioned is a freshwater sponge. Sponges have 'skeletons'consisting of tiny needles (spicules) of SiO2----- glass to you. Thephotomicrographs quite clearly show these little needle like structuresin the pottery made with cauixi. Embedded in a matrix of clay, thesequite simply operated as glassfiber reinforcement, not unlike the glassfiber reinforced plastics we often see in things like automotive rearvision mirrors and other, often injection moulded, plastic parts. As well, it appears that the clay was not fired to very hightemperatures and therefore not fully vitrified, but the cauixi spiculeswould have done a lot to strengthen the resulting pottery quitesubstantially. The spicules apparently are also hollow, which would haveadded to the porosity of the resultant pottery material, furtherenhancing it's ability to soak up nutrients from the foods that werecooked or stored in the containers made from it. Additionally, siliconwould have been available as a nutrient for plants from them, once thewee beasties had quarried it out of the pottery. The cariape was a siliceous ash that was also added to pottery, therebyincreasing the store of silicate in the TP soils, making it available toplants, via the wee beasties efforts. Silicone is a micro nutrient of some importance to plants, but reallyonly recently recognised as such. It increases plant stiffness and alsogives increased disease resistance. Untempered clay shrinks and distorts considerably in drying and firingand consequently potters add other materials, such as sand, and in thecase of the relevant amazon area, crushed rock, cauixi and cariape, thusproducing a usable pottery clay that could be effectively made intovessels. I suppose, eventually someone noticed that garden plots whichcontained cast off pottery sherds produced greater yields and as, withthe charcoal, people began adding the sherds on purpose. If we want to emulate them, we might have to make and burn theirequivalents from clay, tempered with the rock dust that organic growersuse to re-mineralise their soils and perhaps the siliceous ash fromburned grass or bamboo. Perhaps even incorporate ground bones in theclay. If using a TLUD type charcoal burner the clay blanks could perhapsbe mixed in with the biomass that is to be pyrolised KurtI think zeolite might be amodern day alternative to Amazonian Pottery It seems to do many of the same things that charcoal does in soilSEEZeolite :: Castle Mountain Zeolites - The Finest ZeolitesZeolite - the mineral and its uses Quote
Philip Small Posted May 25, 2007 Report Posted May 25, 2007 There is obviously something to this. The porous fired clay will act as a refuge for beneficial critters, potentially a significant effect with charcoal. This seems more significant than the silica nutrient effect. If using a TLUD type charcoal burner the clay blanks could perhaps be mixed in with the biomass that is to be pyrolised I really like TLUD pyrolysis, but adding clay with the fuel seems like a stretch - it would have to have quite an effect on soil to warrant the effort. A TLUD is a top-lit-up-draft configuration. It can be adapted to other biomass fuels besides charcoal, wood being a more common TLUD fuel than charcoal. It is capable of high fuel use efficiency and low CO and particulate emissions. It is scalable to individual or family meal cooking. It is adaptable to batch charcoal production. In regions that rely on wood for fuel, TLUD-based stove use could help make agrichar's benefits available for a vast population dependent on family plots for subsistence. Quote
Michaelangelica Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Posted December 13, 2007 Here pottery shards litter the ground. At one of the site’s two excavations, the broken bits stick out from the earthen walls of a large square pit. The layers of protruding pottery are so tight and thick they look almost like wall coverings.Black Gold of the Amazon | Archaeology | DISCOVER Magazine Cultural mosaic Climbing to the top of Ibibaté, a forested loma (mound) 18 meters higher than the surrounding savanna, Erickson comes to a bare patch of earth created by a fallen tree. Bending over the uncovered ground, he points out the dark, almost black soil, which is filled with fragments of pottery. Several pieces of pot rim are visible, along with the leg of a vessel shaped like a human foot. Both the richness of the soil and the abundance of the potsherds are typical, in Erickson's view. "Many of the lomas are almost nothing but enormous heaps of sherds," he says. "I've never seen anything like it—10, 20, 30 feet of sherds"Earthmovers of the Amazon The firing of the potteries occur in open atmosphere (Fig. 6), possibly in the same primitive way as the actual Indians and caboclos still do. The firing temperature didn't exceed 600 ºC, as demonstrated by partial dehydroxylation of clay material and the formation of maghemite. This phase formed the ceramic minerals: dehydroxylation of clay giving rise to burned clay, maghemite and recrystallization of anatase. Maghemite promotes the slightly brown to red color of the potteries. . . . Chemical elements such P, Mg, Ca, Mn, Ba, Zn, Pb, etc. are fixed partly and concentrated in the organic humus of ABE soils and possibly is partly absorved in the ceramic fragments, contributing to formation of phosphates and Mn oxyhydroxides in less extension. Untitled1 Rich in humus, pieces of pre-Columbian unfired clay pottery, and black carbon, it's like a "microbial reef" that promotes and sustains mycorrhizae growth and other beneficial microbes, and it has been shown to retain its fertility for thousands of years. . . . South American terra preta soils are also full of pieces (sherds) of unfired pottery. It is generally believed that the pottery was introduced into the soil much as modern growers add perlite or sand to potting mix, as a way of keeping the soil from baking completely tight under the tropical sun before a cover of vegetation could grow over it. Much is made of these sherds as "proof" that terra preta deposits are really prehistoric trash piles, but Charles C. Mann asserts there are indications that much of this pottery was actually made specifically for incorporation into the soil. TERRA: Living Soil The above described minerals and organic substances led to identify the following materials as raw materials for the ceramics: 1) clay material derived from weathering (saprolite/mottling zone) of fine crystalline and less frequent sedimentary rocks (indicated by clay-derived minerals and iron oxy-hydroxides, anatase and quartz ); 2) fresh crystalline rocks crushed (feldspars, quartz and rock fragments); 3) organic materials (cauixi and burned cariapé). http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0044-59672004000200004&script=sci_arttext Quote
Michaelangelica Posted April 6, 2008 Author Report Posted April 6, 2008 An Amazonian pot from an Auction catalogue.“Unusual Tullawohara Indian vertical double pot with rawhide strip reinforcing. The Tullawohara are located in the Amazon drainage of Brazil.” - [8fli-105] - Floyd Lyerla collection. - Indian artifacts to auction Nov. 2 - Kull & Supica It seems that that this pot is very different from this one from the Discover article on TP.Black Gold of the Amazon | Archaeology | DISCOVER Magazine A pot from the pre-Columbian Guarita culture.In the afternoon, Neves takes me to the Hatahara site, about eight miles from Donna Stella, which contains traces of a more sedentary way of life. Here pottery shards litter the ground. At one of the site’s two excavations, the broken bits stick out from the earthen walls of a large square pit. The layers of protruding pottery are so tight and thick they look almost like wall coverings. The Hatahara site contains traces of four separate occupations by farmers. The people of the Açutuba phase, who are thought to have come from the Caribbean coast, may have been the first to settle the area, living in villages up to five acres in size, each supporting 100 to 200 people. Neves believes that they lived on fish, wild meats, palms, fruits, and manioc, a root that can grow in poorer soils year-round. Although this early culture had only rudimentary agricultural practices, Neves says, the plant and animal refuse they were leaving provided the substrate for future terra preta soils. Helena Lima, a Ph.D. student at the University of São Paulo, is trying to pinpoint when and how this soil was used to support greater populations in the Amazon Basin. She sees a stark difference between the Açutuba phase, from 300 B.C. to A.D. 400, and the later Manacapuru phase, from A.D. 400 to 900. “The Manacapuru were the first people who really changed the soil,” she says. The terra preta soils at Hatahara and the other sites are made from a mixture of plant refuse and animal and fish bones, along with large quantities of charcoal that were deposited after settlers used stone axes and slow-burning fires to clear forest. Such smouldering fires produced more charcoal than ash. The charcoal, soot, and other carbon remains (collectively called biochar) retained nutrients, particularly potassium and phosphorus, that are limited in tropical soils. The resulting improvement in soil fertility may have allowed the land to support a larger, more stable crop-based population, although studies of fossilised pollen have not yet revealed the specific plants they cultivated. The next phase of settlement, the Paredão, occurred from about A.D. 700 to 1200. Neves suspects that the Paredão were outsiders from the south. The occupation is peaceful, though, and the Paredão and the Manacapuru lived and traded with each other. The Paredão exploited terra preta soils even more than their predecessors. While the initial settlers in this area may have created the dark soils by accident, William Woods, director of environmental studies at the University of Kansas, says that “at some point they recognize their importance and start to promote them.” Over time, the villages of the Paredão become larger, denser, and surrounded by agricultural fields. Populations grow into the thousands at sites ranging from 5 to 40 acres. The lack of fortification strongly suggests that the groups lived in peace. But around 1200, the Guarita people from the east threatened to attack, and the Paredão built defensive structures. This phase lasted into the time of European occupation. Over the same period, the Paredão vanished. The Guarita apparently moved in from areas near the mouth of the lower Amazon, which have even more terra preta soils than the Paredão, and brought with them wilder, multicolored styles of pottery.“They are like the barbarians attacking the Romans,” Neves speculates. He suspects that the newcomers may also have had a valuable possession—corn. This new, more nutritious staple requires better soils, and it is not unreasonable to suspect that the Guarita drove the Paredão out to take over their valuable cropland, built on terra preta. Analysis of buried human remains suggests that the inhabitants of all four occupations were robust—a well-being that extended even after death. In the site’s remains, Anne Rapp and her husband, Claide Moraes, both students at the University of São Paulo, find evidence that hints at ceremonial procedures, priests, and perhaps a cottage industry of funerary artisans as well. Quote
Fukudairafarm Posted April 9, 2008 Report Posted April 9, 2008 Hmm... maybe the clay pots were low-tech retorts for making charcoal with less waste. Put a bundle of twigs/branches/manures/etc... tight together, slather it with clay (except for a small opening), when it dries, build a fire on/around it. Then shatter the pots that should have charcoal in them. Quote
Ahmabeliever Posted April 9, 2008 Report Posted April 9, 2008 Nice thinking. Now I (perhaps) understand the crazy neck on that jar. Quote
Chemist Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 My first post here! I would imagine that large amounts of clay pots were fired all at once in large pits or in piles. Lots of charcoal would likely remain in and around the pottery after the firing process. Any potter will tell you that some peices will allways crack and break during the firing process. Several hundred bowls, plates, pots and pans, toys and other trinkets might be fired in a single large burn pile. All of the dried clay peices would be filled with dried grass or small pieces of wood, carefully stacked in a pit, surrounded with larger pieces of wood, covered(wet branches and soil?) to prevent overfiring, and lit on fire. Some of the peices would break and be left where the were. The first terra preta was probably a by-product of pottery making. I would suggest that the eariest areas of black earth either exist where there were clay deposits that could be mined or where there were forests that lent themselves to the firing of clay to the extent that inhabitants transported clay there to be fired. After some time it was probably noted that plants grew better where the potters fired their clay. Only after the discovery that plants grew better in these areas is it likely that people started using charcoal and pottery peices to deliberately improve the soil fertility. Quote
Turtle Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 My first post here! I would imagine that large amounts of clay pots were fired all at once in large pits or in piles. Lots of charcoal would likely remain in and around the pottery after the firing process. Any potter will tell you that some peices will allways crack and break during the firing process. Several hundred bowls, plates, pots and pans, toys and other trinkets might be fired in a single large burn pile. All of the dried clay peices would be filled with dried grass or small pieces of wood, carefully stacked in a pit, surrounded with larger pieces of wood, covered(wet branches and soil?) to prevent overfiring, and lit on fire. Some of the peices would break and be left where the were. The first terra preta was probably a by-product of pottery making. I would suggest that the eariest areas of black earth either exist where there were clay deposits that could be mined or where there were forests that lent themselves to the firing of clay to the extent that inhabitants transported clay there to be fired. After some time it was probably noted that plants grew better where the potters fired their clay. Only after the discovery that plants grew better in these areas is it likely that people started using charcoal and pottery peices to deliberately improve the soil fertility. Welcome aboard. :beer: I think you make some reasonable assertions. Hmm... maybe the clay pots were low-tech retorts for making charcoal with less waste. Put a bundle of twigs/branches/manures/etc... tight together, slather it with clay (except for a small opening), when it dries, build a fire on/around it. Then shatter the pots that should have charcoal in them. This sounds reasonable in general, however looking at the specific pots Mick posted with their decoration, it doesn't make much sense to me for them to have their use as retorts. Practically, decorating a pot you mean to break & bury is a waste of resources, in spite of the potential argument it served a ritual purpose. Follow the money.........:D Quote
Essay Posted April 22, 2008 Report Posted April 22, 2008 Love the retort idea... many possibilities there..... Anyway, I've been reading 1491 (on my Kindle) ...and I'll have to get the quote, but.... Mulch! :D That's the effect of the pottery! Rain is what decimates the soils down there, leaching out the minerals as it drills down through un-canopied soil. Pottery shards protect the soil from the relentless rain of ruin....as well as being a bit sponge-like & hosting beasties & providing buffering surfaces. IMHO :beer: Quote
Michaelangelica Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Posted April 22, 2008 All as good a theory as the next. How about adding soil mineralisation and homes for "wee beasties"? I stopped half way though 1492.The biggest human kill-off in history. The plague, at best, did 30% of the population. But 90%! No wonder. Cortez et., al., had it easy. I am glad NASA takes such care with off-planet bugs. Quote
Ahmabeliever Posted April 23, 2008 Report Posted April 23, 2008 Just a wee note. I don't know if it's the clay shards (smashed terra cotta pot) or the bones (smashed chicken lamb and beef) but... I added roughly 3% smashed pottery and 3% smashed bones to one mix. The TP mix including the bones and pottery is outperforming the other TP mixes without the bones and pottery by roughly 100%. Quote
Essay Posted April 23, 2008 Report Posted April 23, 2008 Just a wee note. I don't know if it's the clay shards (smashed terra cotta pot) or the bones (smashed chicken lamb and beef) but... I added roughly 3% smashed pottery and 3% smashed bones to one mix. The TP mix including the bones and pottery is outperforming the other TP mixes without the bones and pottery by roughly 100%.I'd think that the clay would be relatively inert (on this short time scale) except for drainage/aeration, physical (mulchy?) effects;but the bones, are an obvious source of higher performance (especially if "activated" by the beasties)! Thanks for the update!:naughty: Quote
Fukudairafarm Posted April 24, 2008 Report Posted April 24, 2008 This sounds reasonable in general, however looking at the specific pots Mick posted with their decoration, it doesn't make much sense to me for them to have their use as retorts. Practically, decorating a pot you mean to break & bury is a waste of resources, in spite of the potential argument it served a ritual purpose. Follow the money.........;) Oh, I agree- I don't think the pots in the picture would be the ones I was dreaming of. I think they would be plain and oddly shaped. The posted pot looks like it was to be used for other purposes. Quote
mavrickjohn Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 One of he links I found on this site led me to some research that is being done in India. The web site said that they were charging the Charcoal with nitrogen using pee as a source. Got me to thinking and wondering if the creators of TP also used urine as a priming source for their charcoal. Where would you conduct this operation but in a pottery container if you were a Amazon Indian. I filled about a 1/3 of a quart jar with charcoal and then urinated in the jar checking each time looking for the order of ammonia. I've filled it twice and strained out the liquid residue left over so far the ammonia smell has been absorbed by the charcoal. When does this stuff finally load up. I'm starting the experiment all over with a measured amount of charcoal in a terra cotta pot with a cork plugging the hole. I'll measure the urine input until I smell the ammonia order. Basically I'm thinking they used many of those pots as chamber pots in their homes in the fields and other places where they conducted frequent activities. I wonder how many times a pot could be used until it would absorb enough urine till it could no longer be used for this function? I hope to get some answers with my experiment. I'll keep you posted but I think it will take some time. Essay and Michaelangelica 2 Quote
Essay Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 One of he links I found on this site led me to some research that is being done in India. The web site said that they were charging the Charcoal with nitrogen using pee as a source. Got me to thinking and wondering if the creators of TP also used urine as a priming source for their charcoal. Where would you conduct this operation but in a pottery container if you were a Amazon Indian. I filled about a 1/3 of a quart jar with charcoal and then urinated in the jar checking each time looking for the order of ammonia. I've filled it twice and strained out the liquid residue left over so far the ammonia smell has been absorbed by the charcoal. When does this stuff finally load up. I'm starting the experiment all over with a measured amount of charcoal in a terra cotta pot with a cork plugging the hole. I'll measure the urine input until I smell the ammonia order. Basically I'm thinking they used many of those pots as chamber pots in their homes in the fields and other places where they conducted frequent activities. I wonder how many times a pot could be used until it would absorb enough urine till it could no longer be used for this function? I hope to get some answers with my experiment. I'll keep you posted but I think it will take some time. :hihi: Does this strike others as that rare sort of "Aha moment!" we enjoy so much? It does me! I have tears in my eyes from laughing; but also....For this great insight [imho] into the anthropological and chem./biochemical aspects of this TP mystery: Thanks! Keep us posted on the stream ...of information! :doh: ~ :) Quote
mavrickjohn Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Ahmabeliever have you duplicated your experiment using Bio-char + bones only and Bio-char + clay and if so what are the results? Another question I have were the clay shards mixed in the soil or placed on top of the soil as a mulch? Now we may have to be making our own clay pots!. Quote
mavrickjohn Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 I went to Wikipedia to read up on Terra Cotta. When I finished digesting that information I looked up clay and found a note that seemed very interesting and followed that. There they were using iron rich clay minerals that had been used to treat Buruli ulcer patients to see if they had antibacterial properties. AsAgO2 did have pathogenic properties against bacteria and antibiotic resistant bacteria. I wonder if these properties would have worked in the soil and could be one of the reasons clay shards were incorporated in TP. I tend to think that TP was created with Humanure because of the lack of nutrients in the tropics. Perhaps the use of the clay shards helped to control soil pathogens from the human manure if it was not properly composted or poorly composted? Broad-spectrum in vitro antibacterial activities of clay minerals against antibiotic-susceptible and antibiotic-resistant bacterial pathogens -- Haydel et al. 61 (2): 353 -- Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy Quote
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