Wireless Charging

[Jay-qu]

When I first thought about wireless charging I thought it was impossible - what could be done short of mini-lightning bolts :)

 

This is a much more tame wireless charging product that requires contact with the device - but how would it work?

 

Apparently through induction - but they dont give away the specifics, so what do you think?

[InfiniteNow]

When I first thought about wireless charging I thought it was impossible - what could be done short of mini-lightning bolts :phones:

 

This is a much more tame wireless charging product that requires contact with the device - but how would it work?

 

Apparently through induction - but they dont give away the specifics, so what do you think?

 

Hmmm... Neat. It looks as if it's done through Electromagnetic Induction, just like those electric toothbrushes (such as Sonicare).

 

 

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Well, actually, with a mat and a small adapter for each device that lets it charge wirelessly when placed on the mat. RFID tags and other low-powered devices such as electric toothbrushes similarly use electromagnetic induction to transfer power without any wires.

[Turtle]

When I first thought about wireless charging I thought it was impossible - what could be done short of mini-lightning bolts :cup:

 

This is a much more tame wireless charging product that requires contact with the device - but how would it work?

 

Apparently through induction - but they dont give away the specifics, so what do you think?

 

or it may use the principle of reasonance as this setup does.

 

Wireless energy promise powers up...

The system exploits "resonance", a phenomenon that causes an object to vibrate when energy of a certain frequency is applied....

 

shall we begin construction? :phones:

 

 

BBC NEWS | Technology | Wireless energy promise powers up

[freeztar]

shall we begin construction? :cup: :phones:

 

Yes.

 

What could we resonate?

Air is such a dynamic mixture that it would be unstable to transmit through, unless controlled of course. In the case of a controlled, closed system, it's possible to sling electrons around. Perhaps we could create "virtual wires" out of electromagnetic "tubes". :(

How do we do this you ask?

 

I have no flipping clue.

 

But my guess is that Turtle, Jay-Q, and IN are co-inspiring the formulation. Right guys? :)

 

This topic is of great importance. I think it could be the next revolution for energy. Imagine sun-absorbing satellites beaming free energy down upon us. :cup:

 

But then there's reality...:)

[Turtle]

Yes.

 

What could we resonate?

Air is such a dynamic mixture that it would be unstable to transmit through, unless controlled of course. In the case of a controlled, closed system, it's possible to sling electrons around. Perhaps we could create "virtual wires" out of electromagnetic "tubes".

How do we do this you ask?

 

I have no flipping clue. :cup:

 

But my guess is that Turtle, Jay-Q, and IN are co-inspiring the formulation. Right guys? :)

 

This topic is of great importance. I think it could be the next revolution for energy. Imagine sun-absorbing satellites beaming free energy down upon us. :)

 

But then there's reality...:evil:

 

:D think about the air...now think about radio...now go ....oooooooooo; that resonance! :hihi:

 

still, i have a mystery going here. i want to show a drawing from one of Tesla's patents. it is a type of coil he intended to use with his wireless transmission scheme and it was referenced in the Wicky article on Möbius strips. anyway, i looked at it once but now when i try to go it crashes my browser.

 

go to this Wicky article and scroll down to the section titled 'appearence in science and technology ' to find the Tesla reference & link. Möbius strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

it lists the patent as U.S. Patent 512,340 props to anyone who can get that drawing here.

 

all out for Möbius wireless power transmission. :) :( :cup: :phones:

[freeztar]

think about the air...now think about radio...now go ....oooooooooo; that resonance! :evil:

 

OK, now think about electricity...now think about the air....now go....oooooooooo

 

Of course air resonates, otherwise we would not hear like we do. The problem is that the only natural occurence of electricity being 'transported' through air is lightning. The whole system is ionic and based upon potentials, so hardly controllable (lightning rods do not count, or maybe they do).

 

Crystal radios derive their power from somewhere eh?

 

still, i have a mystery going here. i want to show a drawing from one of Tesla's patents. it is a type of coil he intended to use with his wireless transmission scheme and it was referenced in the Wicky article on Möbius strips. anyway, i looked at it once but now when i try to go it crashes my browser.

 

go to this Wicky article and scroll down to the section titled 'appearence in science and technology ' to find the Tesla reference & link. Möbius strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

it lists the patent as U.S. Patent 512,340 props to anyone who can get that drawing here.

 

No luck here.

all out for Möbius wireless power transmission. :) :( :) :cup: :phones: :hihi:

 

Then you could turn that 'butterfly-effect' solar panel fan into transmittable energy, for the open market. :cup:

[Jay-qu]

I saw this turtle, when you posted the wiki in the mobius thread, but i didnt see the sketch.. I got it to work but that patent only seems to have sketches of coils for electomagnets..

[InfiniteNow]

it lists the patent as U.S. Patent 512,340 props to anyone who can get that drawing here.

 

Patent 512,340

 

 

 

In carrying out my invention it is to be observed that certain facts are well understood by those skilled in the art, viz: the relations of capacity, self-induction, and the frequency and potential difference of the current. What capacity, therefore, in any given case it is desirable to obtain and what special winding will secure it, are readily determinable from the other factors which are known.

 

What I claim as my invention is:

 

1. A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as herein before described.
   
2. A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.
   

[Turtle]

OK, now think about electricity...now think about the air....now go....oooooooooo

:)

 

Of course air resonates, otherwise we would not hear like we do. The problem is that the only natural occurence of electricity being 'transported' through air is lightning. The whole system is ionic and based upon potentials, so hardly controllable (lightning rods do not count, or maybe they do).

 

Crystal radios derive their power from somewhere eh?

 

No luck here.

 

sorry if i was vauge. radio waves, a type of electromagnetic radiation, travels through the air with relative indifference. the reception of the signal requires the tuning circuit to be in resonance with the transmitted signal, i.e. tuned to the same frequency.

 

 

Then you could turn that 'butterfly-effect' solar panel fan into transmittable energy, for the open market. :cup:

 

OT i had this up for a day last week 'til rain threatened. :) i'm thinking of canibalizing the fan motor for my dibble machine as the motor has a transmission that drives the fan's oscillation.

 

brotherly conduct and a deep genuflection in your direction Buddy, for providing the evidence. :(

 

Jay-qu

I saw this turtle, when you posted the wiki in the mobius thread, but i didnt see the sketch.. I got it to work but that patent only seems to have sketches of coils for electomagnets..

 

indeed...so now with the drawing & description at hand we can set to determining why the device is referenced in relation to Mobius strips. :phones: inquiring minds want to know. :cup:

[Jay-qu]

so now with the drawing & description at hand we can set to determining why the device is referenced in relation to Mobius strips. :phones: inquiring minds want to know. :)

Hmm it doesnt seem to make sense why they reference this device..

 

One device that does get a mention is the Mobius resistor, but still that has nothing to do with the price of fish in china..

 

I dont see how it is that the above patent, in use with a mobius resistor can be used for "global transmission of electricity without wires" :cup:

[freeztar]

Hmm it doesnt seem to make sense why they reference this device..

 

One device that does get a mention is the Mobius resistor, but still that has nothing to do with the price of fish in china..

 

I dont see how it is that the above patent, in use with a mobius resistor can be used for "global transmission of electricity without wires" :)

 

I ran across the Mobius resistor in my searches as well and like you, it doesn't shed any light for me. :)

[InfiniteNow]

I ran across the Mobius resistor in my searches as well and like you, it doesn't shed any light for me. :)

 

It appears to use it's internal parts to focus the output.

 

United States Patent: 7203914

The RTWO concept involves operation not by resonance, but by the generation and maintaining of a rotating voltage transition in an endless differential electromagnetic path. A twist (or odd number of twists) in the path forces phase inversion during rotation, so that there is effective oscillation as represented in the resulting wave-form. Power consumption is low because of inherent energy recycling action, thus requiring only top-up energy by its regenerative provisions.

For the or each said included area, one of the dual conductors of each said plurality will be inner and the other outer (of the included area concerned), and there will be two different types of one-to-one interconnections, namely between inners and outers of both pluralities or between inner of one plurality and outer of the other.

 

A single inners-to-outers interconnection has the Moebius-twist effect (considering the dual conductors as edges of a strip). Two or any even number of such inter-connections negates the Moebius-twist, but any odd number preserves it.

 

For the alternation of dual conductors from one and the other said plurality about said included area, there will be four said crossing positions, for three of which the one-tone connection will be the same but different from the fourth. Any of the endless signal paths can share part of its path with part of another endless signal path so long as the signal rotations in each path have the same direction in the shared parts, so long as the equal power-in/power-out and related impedance implications are met for junctions at ends of the parts.

 

Where the dual conductors of each said plurality are parallel with those of one said plurality orthogonal to those of the other said plurality, as in rows and columns relationship, the included area will be rectangular with said interconnections at its four corners.

 

For rectangular RTW signal paths, i.e. with four corners available for the interconnections, the three-the-same-but-one-different requirement for the interconnections, and the preservation of the Moebius-twist effect by one or three inners-to-outers interconnections, combine to allow every included rectangle of a configuration of the pluralities of dual conductors in rows and columns to be an active RTW circuit.

[freeztar]

I'm sure there is some useful information there, but it eludes me. I got lost at "rotating voltage transition in an endless differential electromagnetic path". :)

[lamb.charlie]

I think that trying to use electricity as a wireless energy source isn't the best route. As was said above, the only evident Long distance travel of electricity without wires is lightning. This brings up certain risks, that if a method was developed to "broadcast" electrical energy over a large area, how would it react to metal? What would be the damage to electrical equipment, hospital equipment, ect?

 

A wireless source of energy would revolutionize technology. Perhaps it is time to give up our long used electricity and seek a new power source.

[Turtle]

I think that trying to use electricity as a wireless energy source isn't the best route. As was said above, the only evident Long distance travel of electricity without wires is lightning. This brings up certain risks, that if a method was developed to "broadcast" electrical energy over a large area, how would it react to metal? What would be the damage to electrical equipment, hospital equipment, ect?

 

A wireless source of energy would revolutionize technology. Perhaps it is time to give up our long used electricity and seek a new power source.

 

whether someone said it before or not, the bolded is simply wrong. radio signals are electricity traveling without wires. the distance they go and their reaction with materials is a matter of power & frequency broadcast.

 

i point out that the scheme laid out here in the opening post is regarding close proximity wireless recharging, and not the kind of wireless power transmission that Tesla worked on or that current planners propose for collecting power in space with photo-voltaic panels and beaming to Earth as microwaves. :)

 

PS it is still under debate whether current power transmission lines emit electromagnetic radiation that is harmful to living things. that there is radiation leak isn't debated in this, only its effects. one can walk under a transmission line with a fluorescent bulb and it will light up with no wires at all. (do not try it!!!! HIGHLY dangerous!!! i mention it only as an example of the fallacy of charlie's calim.) :) :cup:

[freeztar]

whether someone said it before or not, the bolded is simply wrong. radio signals are electricity traveling without wires. the distance they go and their reaction with materials is a matter of power & frequency broadcast.

 

Ok, I was scratching my head the first time you said this, and now after the second time scratching, I did some homework.

 

As it turns out, what is thought of as "light" is actually a propagating oscillatory disturbance in the electromagnetic field, i.e., an electromagnetic wave. Different frequencies of oscillation give rise to the different forms of electromagnetic radiation, from radio waves at the lowest frequencies, to visible light at intermediate frequencies, to gamma rays at the highest frequencies.

Electromagnetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Though I do not want to waterdown the brilliance of radio waves, it's not the same as outright electrical current, from what I've been reading. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. :)

 

PS it is still under debate whether current power transmission lines emit electromagnetic radiation that is harmful to living things. that there is radiation leak isn't debated in this, only its effects. one can walk under a transmission line with a fluorescent bulb and it will light up with no wires at all. (do not try it!!!! HIGHLY dangerous!!! i mention it only as an example of the fallacy of charlie's calim.) ;)

 

You can also demonstrate this effect by peeing on a metal fence in the vicinity (NOT RECOMMENDED! DO NOT TRY!).

:rant:

[Turtle]

Ok, I was scratching my head the first time you said this, and now after the second time scratching, I did some homework.

 

 

Electromagnetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Though I do not want to waterdown the brilliance of radio waves, it's not the same as outright electrical current, from what I've been reading. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. ;)

 

i will argue it is the same. where there is electricity, there is magnetism, and where there is magnetism and moving conductors there is electricity. all the apparatus we use to manipulate electro-magnetic radiation is ultimately involed in controlling the circumstance in order to deliver a specific form. the electrical component of light and radio may seem small compared to say house-current, but it's there nonetheless. it is electricity that flows in the antenna, pure & simple. it is not made there, but arrives there as a component of the broadcast signal.

 

in the event the claim is laid that we differ only philosophically on this, i claim the stronger argument so far. :rant: