Pluto Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Hello All In my opinion the spinning effect that we observe in pulsars and other jets is caused by the internal magnetic fileds. Proving this is another story. To do so is to explain the evolution of galaxies and the eventual recycle. Most links that I have read speak of the different types of galaxies and the relationship to active neucleon and their evolution from the start of the Big Bang. They assume that the Big Bang is correct and in so doing encase themselves in a shell of knowledge. Thus we see a classification of galaxies evolving. One catch,,,,,,,,,there is the missing link. They assume that black hole exist and that no matter can escape. Electric CurrentsCenter for the Study of Pulsed-Power-Driven High Energy Density PlasmasElectric Plasma effects in the cosmosElectromagnetic ForcesH O L O S C I E N C E - NewsMagnetohydrodynamics and Plasma CosmologyPlasma CosmologyPlasma Science and Technology - Applications - Basic Plasma PhysicsPlasma Science and Technology - Applications - High Energy Density Physics Plasma: The other 99.9%10. Birkeland currents collimate "jets" of matter and charged particles. Astronomical "jets" were so named by astrophysicists because they look somewhat like fluid jets produced in the laboratory. Yet astronomical jets look nothing like a supersonic jet coming out of a nozzle, with all the attendant fluid instabilities. Heated gas should quickly disperse in space but the magnetic pinch of a Birkeland current can maintain filaments of glowing matter over thousands of light years. Seeing Circuits (2)Seeing Electricity in SpaceSeeing More Electricity in Space Untitled Document The Explosion that Shattered Solar Theory The IEEE, Plasma Cosmology and Extreme Ball Lightning The IEEE, Plasma Cosmology and Extreme Ball Lightning TheUniverse Matter does not escape out of compacted core, it drives itself out and creates a safe passage for thousands of light years. See M87 galaxy. The main stream explains jets as being created by in falling matter. Quote
Tormod Posted August 14, 2007 Report Posted August 14, 2007 Uhm...what's with all the links? Please observe our rules which state that links need to be relevant to the discussion, and that each link must be accompanaied by a brief explanation of *why* the link is relevant. It's almost impossible to go through all the links above. What is it you're trying to communicate? B) Quote
Hilton Ratcliffe Posted August 15, 2007 Report Posted August 15, 2007 Hi Pluto, Thank you for seeking my opinion on this thread. First off, I must agree with Tormod. There are just too many links, and the net result is that it is confusing. It would be far more effective, IMO, to have one or two links or references to support your principle argument. Which is? I'm not sure.;) The title of the thread is "plasma", but your opening comments seem to be much broader in scope than simply a discussion of plasma. Buried in what you say are, I think, some very good and sound ideas. Perhaps I can help you by making some observations about your links, specifically, whom you are linking to. The Electric Universe fraternity, a nice friendly bunch of people that I have had a fair amount of interaction with over the last few years, represent a school of thought that wanders away from its solid experimental foundation (Alfven, Birkeland, Faraday) to some areas that many of us would prefer to avoid in our scientific endeavours. Talbott and Thornhill are open about their admiration for Velikovskian catastrophism, and to some extent defend those principles in their publications. This has the same effect on people referring to their work generally as Tom Van Flandern's obsession with the Martian "face" at Cydonia has on those reading his publications: They run a mile! Their credibility is unfortunately damaged by this. The other problem with Electric Universe (once again, this is only my own opinion) is that they promote ideas based on experimental foundations but which lack quantitative formulae to assist us in astrophysics. We cannot ignore plasma and electricity in the cosmos - there is just so much of it out there - but as an empirical scientist, I would require tools for measuring electricity like the Zeeman effect does for magnetism (and which EU theorists reject). We need something more than just the shape of things, although morphology is undoubtedly a very important clue. To extrapolate lab results out to cosmology, we need to have measurements and quantities to support the supposed scale invarience of plasma and plasma structures. Having said that, I must agree with you that many of the EU explanations of cosmic phenomena make a heck of a lot more sense than the standard models that we are expected to assume. We just need more numbers before we can take them really seriously in astrophysics. We need energetic empiricists to pick up on Alfven's "Cosmic Plasma" and Kulsrud's "Plasma Physics for Astrophysics" and work those principles systematically into the broader applications of space science. Kind regardsHilton Quote
Tormod Posted August 15, 2007 Report Posted August 15, 2007 Oh, not Flandern again!!! *runs* ;) (Joking, Hilton!) Quote
Pluto Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Posted August 15, 2007 Hello All Sorry, I agree with both of you. Hilton said Having said that, I must agree with you that many of the EU explanations of cosmic phenomena make a heck of a lot more sense than the standard models that we are expected to assume. We just need more numbers before we can take them really seriously in astrophysics. We need energetic empiricists to pick up on Alfven's "Cosmic Plasma" and Kulsrud's "Plasma Physics for Astrophysics" and work those principles systematically into the broader applications of space science. You hit the nail on the head. I listed those links with the intention of not confusing people but to later on maybe refer to them plus other links. My interest is to look at the options, how jets work and what drives them. The answer in my opinion lies in the properties of ultra dense Plasma matter. Quote
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