Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

[InfiniteNow]

got a link?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7351989860835767572&q=charlie+rose+ahmadinejad&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Charlie Rose - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7351989860835767572&q=charlie+rose+ahmadinejad&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[LaurieAG]

but I'll betcha LaurieAG and a lot of others would strenuously disagree with "dangerous"... :)

 

"The Lord's our Shepard" says the psalm, but just in case...we'd better get a bomb, :)

Buffy

 

Hello Buffy,

 

I don't mind if you don't want to discuss things directly with me, you know the free speech thingy.

 

Are you aware that, a couple of years ago, the South Korean people considered the US as more dangerous to them than North Korea? And that was well before US ruling politicians engaged in more acts of blind stupidity.

 

The global survey of the people (not the politicians who are firmly 'imbedded') of most western countries held a view of the US (their politicians not the US people) that reflected the US's increasingly belligerant and arrogant attitudes to the rest of the world (if you'r not for us you'r against us type paranoia).

 

Refreshingly, in recent polls (at least that's what Newscorp said in our state paper today), an increasing majority of the US people have expressed the sentiment that their troops should should be withdrawn from Iraq, post haste.

 

Also, more considered thought must be given in a wider context on the Iran Presidents comments on homosexuality.

 

Are you aware that Singapore, an asian trading hub, also doesn't have homosexuality in the Iran context? Hello Buffy, homosexuality wasn't even decriminalised in Queensland until just over 10 years ago.

 

Also, considering the deaths of at least 4 most courageous and selfless US soldiers, who jumped on top of explosives to shield their brothers in arms from certain death, surely now is the time to revisit ancient greek 'precedents' for homosexuality and view them in their true light.

 

Much recent comment has arisen from postmodern female (perspective at least anyway) interpretations of Homers 'Iliad', particularly to Achilleus' greiving for his 'lover', Patroklos who sacrificed his life for the greater good.

 

I think that there is a distinct confusion between 'martial' and 'marital' and a complete failure to understand the ancient apprenticeship system for warriors, particularly in the Spartan league. Australian 'mateship' has this at its roots.

 

Returning to those brave US soldiers, If anybody dared to insult a fellow soldier(s) who was grieving the loss of a brave brother at arms by commenting insensitively, 'did your homosexual lover just die', they would certainly get their fair share of bombs, one from each of the surviving members of the unit, into their tent that night!

[Buffy]

I don't mind if you don't want to discuss things directly with me, you know the free speech thingy.

Oh my. Are you under the misapprehension that I disagree with you? Is it because I live in America? Is it okay for folks to assume that everyone who lives here agrees 100% with Rush Limbaugh? I hope that's not what you're saying because then we'd have something to argue about!

 

Heck, even Dick Cheney thinks that homosexuals ought to have some rights, although in certain parts of Texas and Utah there are folks who still think its illegal (check out The Matthew Shepard Story).

Are you aware that, a couple of years ago, the South Korean people considered the US as more dangerous to them than North Korea? And that was well before US ruling politicians engaged in more acts of blind stupidity.

Sure! But polls in South Korea are notoriously fickle. I don't doubt there was a poll that said that, but to imply that there was no change in that opinion once John Bolton came in and shut down all negotiations is counter to what I've seen. But nonetheless, even within a single poll, the South Koreans might express what you'd think are irrational feelings: this *single* Sept 2006 Gallup Poll of South Koreans said:

• Feel seriously threatened by N. Korean nuclear weapons: 43% yes, 53% no [They agree with your proposition, the North isn't *that* scary]
  
• US should withdraw from Korea ASAP: 26% yes, 71% no [They still think that even if the US is really scary, they would prefer to have them around in case they're wrong about the Northerners....]
  

Refreshingly, in recent polls (at least that's what Newscorp said in our state paper today), an increasing majority of the US people have expressed the sentiment that their troops should should be withdrawn from Iraq, post haste.

If you're paying attention, you'd note that *Democrats* are dissatisfied with the performance of the *Democratic-run* Congress! And its not just the far-left lunatic fringe. Republicans like to see this as some sort of advantage while blindly backing Bush/Cheney which is really remarkable...

Also, more considered thought must be given in a wider context on the Iran Presidents comments on homosexuality.

 

Are you aware that Singapore, an asian trading hub, also doesn't have homosexuality in the Iran context? Hello Buffy, homosexuality wasn't even decriminalised in Queensland until just over 10 years ago.

Heck, *chewing gum* is still illegal in Singapore! And there are some guys in Brisbane who's ears are probably still blue from the tirade they got after throwing a wolf whistle at me! You want backwards? Try Boise, Idaho!

 

Thank goodness the world is changing in the right direction.

 

But you should know that a meme has sprung up just today here in the US based on Ahmadinejad's homosexuality comment that basically goes: "Yeah, that's what Hitler said about the Jews in 1945. Of course they don't have any homosexuals: they're killing them all!"

 

Returning to those brave US soldiers, If anybody dared to insult a fellow soldier(s) who was grieving the loss of a brave brother at arms by commenting insensitively, 'did your homosexual lover just die', they would certainly get their fair share of bombs, one from each of the surviving members of the unit, into their tent that night!

Well, it will still be a generation before boys get completely beyond instinctive dislike of being called gay, but even then, its the "insensitivity" rather than the name calling that would get even the most liberal folks into "beat the stuffing out of you" mode.

 

Not sure where you're going with any of this, and postmodern feminist interpretation of the Illiad is actually focused on the *women* in the story! What do we care if the guys are gay?

 

Proud to be a libtard,

Buffy

[LaurieAG]

Hello Buffy,

 

Oh my. Are you under the misapprehension that I disagree with you? Is it because I live in America? Is it okay for folks to assume that everyone who lives here agrees 100% with Rush Limbaugh? I hope that's not what you're saying because then we'd have something to argue about!

 

You wouldn't discuss my comments directly with me Buffy, at least you are now.

 

Heck, even Dick Cheney thinks that homosexuals ought to have some rights, although in certain parts of Texas and Utah there are folks who still think its illegal (check out The Matthew Shepard Story).

 

You miss the point Buffy, our public toilet system is a conduit for unlawful homosexual behaviour, and I do mean our, because anybody who practices homosexual sex in public utilities is breaking the law in the US as well as Australia.

 

Sure! But polls in South Korea are notoriously fickle. I don't doubt there was a poll that said that, but to imply that there was no change in that opinion once John Bolton came in and shut down all negotiations is counter to what I've seen.

 

If I recall correctly the poll result was due to the death of two South Korean 14 year old schoolgirls who were found dead in a ditch near a US base. The story was that the girls were both sideswiped by a jeep and had their bodies thrown into the ditch, while the US soldiers drove on indifferently. And this was just after the rape of the girl in Okinawa that took 6 years before the US would allow any prosecution. Add onto this the dubious situation in the UK where two young girls were found dead in a ditch outside a US air base and a person who was reported to be incapable of sustaining a trial due to mental illness nade a full confession 3 months later. Not forgetting the three Iraqi school girls found dead in Baghdad with two having been raped. This is something that is expressly linked to the US militarys reluctance to do anything about sexism and sexual misbehaviours amongst their own.

 

If you're paying attention, you'd note that *Democrats* are dissatisfied with the performance of the *Democratic-run* Congress! And its not just the far-left lunatic fringe. Republicans like to see this as some sort of advantage while blindly backing Bush/Cheney which is really remarkable...

 

Don't accuse me of picking favourites between tweedle dum( and tweedle de(m).

 

Thank goodness the world is changing in the right direction.

 

But you should know that a meme has sprung up just today here in the US based on Ahmadinejad's homosexuality comment that basically goes: "Yeah, that's what Hitler said about the Jews in 1945. Of course they don't have any homosexuals: they're killing them all!"

 

Well, it will still be a generation before boys get completely beyond instinctive dislike of being called gay, but even then, its the "insensitivity" rather than the name calling that would get even the most liberal folks into "beat the stuffing out of you" mode.

 

Considering that Queensland has been on the cusp of the change you herald you might like to look at some of the more socially subsersive impacts of the change that are impacting on our society today (and that includes the US).

 

Our Health and education systems are being run into ground by 'strong' women who have (joined up with our disgusting pollies and) forced all of the decent men out of the system (the ones who'll say so if they feel something is wrong) by 'feeling' threatened and intimidated. Buffy, do you think it is right for someone complaining about discrimination to be threatened with having their career in an entire industry smeared by their boss? If you do then you don't stand with me and the Buddhist monks in Burma (BTW my boss is gay and never pulls this type of discriminatory rubbish, he's actually someone to be respected because of his professionalism).

 

Buffy, the only threat that women feel from these decent men is that the men have a level of professionalism that these women would find difficulty even dreaming of because all they want to do is become female chauvanist pigs and treat the real men as badly as they may have been treated in the past.

 

Not sure where you're going with any of this, and postmodern feminist interpretation of the Illiad is actually focused on the *women* in the story! What do we care if the guys are gay?

Proud to be a libtard,

Buffy

 

People who only see one side of a story suffer from sincipitus, the politicians disease. BTW whats a libtard?

[LaurieAG]

I think that man is a shrewd bugger and he knows damn well exactly what he's doing, every single minute.

 

Hello Q,

 

The worry is will GWB do what his minders want him to do and fall into the trap? In any event you must credit Ahmadinejad for walking straight into the lions den in a country that kills its own presidents.

[Inter.spem.et.metum]

All things should be looked at from both sides. Before you can argue your side, you must be able to argue the other.

 

What people in America don't understand is the view of sex in other parts of the world. All things have their consequence, every action has an equal but opposite reaction. Also, all things physical are addicting, whether or not you act upon that addiction. You don't think anything is wrong with eating a particularly tasty dish, right? If you found it pleasurable, you will want it again, and any food that tastes blander than that original dish will not satisfy you. This can be compared and related to all physical acts; food, drugs, extreme sports, and definitly sex. The farther you allow the boundries in your mind to be pushed, the more addicted, quantitatively and qualitatively, you become. Even the first sexual act you committed, no matter how innocent, was breakdown of a boundry. Homosexuallity is deep into these boundries.

 

I am just as sexual as the next person, if not worse, and I accept and prepared to deal with the consequences of my choices, as I'm sure my gay friends are. But even they admit the logic.

 

Now, the muslim world views the world the same way. I am aware that many believers in Islam are not radical, so understand the ones I speak of. They see our society as perverted and decadent, and from a physical versus spiritual standpoint, we are. We worship money and physical stimulation because it gives us pleasure. We want the choice, as our right to pursue what we see fit. They do not see it this way. They believe humans should be controled or they destroy themselves. They believe their souls and the souls of their future generations are in jeapordy of being damned to an eternal hell. Is it any wonder why they fight us tooth and nail?

 

I only make these statements to help other people understand that we are all human. We all have ideas with foundations in truth. And on a large scale, we are all irrational. We shouldn't be speaking of whether or not that country will attack this country, or visa versa. The question should stretch farther and dive deeper.

 

Timendi causa est niscire

 

Einar Walun