My Brand of Socialism

[Mike C]

Then why do you keep saying that no one but the workers that build things with their own hands deserve to make money??

 

If you don't believe that, why say it, as you so often do?

 

Well, I recognize that capitalism has a say in organizing new industry and the work of designers, engineers and other such personel.

But my primary claim is the downsizing of the workers to such lowly levels

that is not warrented.

A more equitable distribution of the wealth is good for a prosperous economy.

 

I AGREE with you that there is too large a disparity between most CEOs and the front line workers. But you keep throwing out these silly statements that do nothing to advance your point.

 

Thanks.

 

Mike C

[Zythryn]

Well, I recognize that capitalism has a say in organizing new industry and the work of designers, engineers and other such personel.

 

So you now agree that people such as marketers, salespeople and managers also contribute to a business? I just want to be sure I understand you.

If not, which ones do and which ones don't?

[Michaelangelica]

So you now agree that people such as marketers, salespeople and managers also contribute to a business? I just want to be sure I understand you.

If not, which ones do and which ones don't?

Just to be completely annoying :) (at 5.15 am and no sleep)

Both Douglas Adams. (The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and Gilbert and Sullivan (The Mikado) 'had a little list, of people who never would be missed"

I remember Adams included telephone sanitisers who certainly do seem to be loosing their power base in the Capitalist System. I can't remember any others.:)

[Zythryn]

Mike, aside from the particulars of this thread (but still on topic:)), have you read Robert Reich's book, 'Supercapitalism'?

If not, might I suggest it. I think you would find it quite interesting.

I just picked it up so have not read to far into it. But I think it addresses you main points (that businesses hold too much sway in politics).

[Mike C]

Mike, aside from the particulars of this thread (but still on topic:)), have you read Robert Reich's book, 'Supercapitalism'?

If not, might I suggest it. I think you would find it quite interesting.

I just picked it up so have not read to far into it. But I think it addresses you main points (that businesses hold too much sway in politics).

 

I am not interested in other opinions that require reading books that I do not do and have the ambition to take the time required.

 

That title 'Super Capitalism' mey be applied to the 'new world order' that got hit by the Islamic sacrificial terrorists on 9/11.

This not only got us involved in a new war, but it has ravaged our economy lately with the bankruptcies, worker sactrifices and other problems.

 

Mike C

[Mike C]

So you now agree that people such as marketers, salespeople and managers also contribute to a business? I just want to be sure I understand you.

If not, which ones do and which ones don't?

 

To be honest about it, yes, they do play a role in industry.

 

BUT the question I bring up is the distribution of the wealth that the workers actually create even though they are considered unimportan because they can always be replaced.

Well, government can also replace capitalism. So capitalism is also easily expendible.

 

The worlds largest corporation is the US government and the head CEO has a salary of only $400,000 to show for his effort.

Compare that to the earnings of some CEO's that range into the multimillions.

 

And when they get bounced out for incompetence, some get severence packages in the hundreds of millions .

 

It is the inventors that create the start up industries and sometimes they get not much in return..

 

Mike C

[jackson33]

Mike for years, it seems, I have tried to explain he value of CEO's in the corporate structure. Then you come around with the perfect analogy....

 

I disagree the US Government can be compared to any industry, but lets use it for this discussion. US Government employs 2 million people, has an annual budget of three trillion dollars, produces nothing AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EARNED INCOME. What value do you think these qualities, would earn any CEO pay in any business. There are just so many people, that can by experience or ability, handle the complex infrastructure of any major corporation and in the end, SHOW A PROFIT....

[Zythryn]

I am not interested in other opinions that require reading books that I do not do and have the ambition to take the time required.

 

That title 'Super Capitalism' mey be applied to the 'new world order' that got hit by the Islamic sacrificial terrorists on 9/11.

This not only got us involved in a new war, but it has ravaged our economy lately with the bankruptcies, worker sactrifices and other problems.

 

Mike C

 

I must admit Mike, I am a bit taken aback at your response:eek:

You have some rather interesting ideas, and some really 'way out there' ideas. You request that others give your ideas a fair hearing, yet jump to conclusions without any investigation what so ever.

 

The reason I recommended that book was that if fits EXACTLY with your criticism of the disparity between the wealthiest CEOs and the average worker. It is CRITICAL of the so called 'Super capitalism' and discusses what brought it about.

 

I recommended it because I honestly believed that you would enjoy reading it.