IrishEyes Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 maybe people do not realize it but christian bashing has become quite in vouge these days and instead of defending it maybe i am just concerned because it is not as overt as physical violence but it is every bit as repugnant to me. i was trying to have a civilized conversation here.FINALLY - I am not the only person that is saying this around here. While there are many that do not condone bashing of any kind (Tormod comes quickly to mind), others insist that it is not 'bashing' but still manage to sound either intellectually superior or disdainful (two in this thread come to mind). mother engine, I don't agree with everything you have said, but I LOUDLY echo your sentiments on this particular point.
Freethinker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 But, that said, I do not agree with Freethinker that religion is unable to give people comfort - nor that religious people cannot provide people with something that brings comfort. That is a generalization which is quite unnecessary.I never said that religion can not provide comfort. Heroine can provide comfort. The claim was made that religion is BETTER at it. THAT is what we have yet to see proven. This thread was started based on efforts to remove religion from society and how that would leave a gap which can not be filled, especially by Atheism. There are any number of methods to numb the mind, easy the pain, provide comfort, promote positive actions. But is religion the most effective/ efficient, or even more so, the exclusive way? Or are we in fact better off without religion? If the religious side is right, then they can show us examples. I sure have plenty of examples to show how religion harms society and causes significant distress, even torture and murder. Yet they can not come up with a single one for their side! Instead they can only complain that they should even be asked for one! Poor baby!
motherengine Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Posted January 27, 2005 The claim was made that religion is BETTER at it. THAT is what we have yet to see proven. when where and how was this claim made?
Tormod Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 the editor of the thread has ignored this and even suggested that this guy's negative ... deconstructive attack on the post is in anyway a viable argument concerning the issue initially addressed. I stand by IrishEyes comments in this thread. Remember that Freethinker has been an incredibly active member of our community since he joined, and we will cut him some slack (although I won't say we need to stretch it any further). I also think we have not ignored your arguments. This thread has developed VERY fast (or rather, devolved might be the word). I am, however, very disappointed with some of our members in this thread. The original question has hardly been addressed since page 1. Mother engine has had nothing to do but defend himself against rather nasty attacks, some of which seem to ignore the fact that he says himself that he is not religious. This thread is now closed because it has turned into a flame war, which is against our FAQ. I am sad that mother engine's thought-provoking opening did not meet more intelligent responses. Sorry, folks. This kind of discussion is not what Hypography is about. Start new threads and try to calm down.
Pyrotex Posted January 9, 2007 Report Posted January 9, 2007 FINALLY - I am not the only person that is saying this around here. While there are many that do not condone bashing of any kind (Tormod comes quickly to mind), others insist that it is not 'bashing' but still manage to sound ....Hi there, Irish! :doh: Twice in the last month, I accidently and inadvertently called up a religious channel on my DirecTV, thinking I was gonna get the news. Both times, the (different) speakers were complaining about the Christian bashing going on at all levels of society. I said to myself, "Hhmmmmm..", as I reached for the remote. Ever read any of H. L. Mencken? Wrote a daily editorial for a big NY City newspaper around the 1910's and 20's. He bashed religion in general quite often, and from a much bigger "bully pulpit" than most atheists have today. It gave me pause. Perhaps, after Mencken died, we have become so used to religion and faith and scripture getting automatic, unquestioned honor and respect from (nearly) every level of society, that we have come to think that it is our just due. Therefore, ANY questioning of religion or god, can appear to be a national conspiracy of "god-slayers". I suggest humbly, that the current groundswell of anti-religious sentiment is not an organized campaign of atheism, but merely the fact there never was a consensus of god-faith in this country (or anywhere). And those of us who have been in the unbeliever's closet are merely "coming out" and expressing our personal opinions. Personally, I would NEVER have done so 20 years ago. Literally, out of fear that someone of faith would hurt me.
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