Quantum physics

[Erasmus00]

As you should know by now, I do not accept everything that is currently taught.

I will agree that the magnetic fields are the cause of these 'fine structure' phenomenon.

 

I do, and I won't bother to point out to you again where your ideas fail to match experiment- we talked in circles about this in another thread.

 

This is beside the point- the bohr atom has NO mechanism for fine structure/hyperfine structure- therefore it is incomplete, and we must go to Schroedinger.

-Will

[snoopy]

As you should know by now, I do not accept everything that is currently taught.

I will agree that the magnetic fields are the cause of these 'fine structure' phenomenon.

 

My opinion is that the eletrons do not spin. Instead, it is the protons that spin. However, it is 'synchronous', rather than intrinsic spin.

 

This opinion is based on the nature of our solar sustem satellites that also do NOT spin.

Only the central bodies spin like the Earth, Jupiter and etc.

The gravitational interaction distorts the shape of the satelites to prevent them from spinning.

 

This is applicable to the atoms also because the electron can have more 'fluidity' in relation to the proton.

 

These magnatic interactions are 'repulsive' to give the electrons a boost to the orbital momentum that prevents the collapse of the HA's. So the original calculations of Newtonian math that would result in the HA's collapse is also erroneous since this 'magnetic interaction' was left out.

 

Mike C

 

 

I am not sure I understand what you are getting at mike, both the proton and electron have spin they are both fermions with half integer spin.

 

electron spin has been successful in explaining many features of atomic spectra.

 

each possible state of the electron is described by three "quantum numbers", n, l, and m. These were identified as, respectively, the electron "shell" number, n, the "orbital" number, l, and the "orbital angular momentum" number m.

 

I am not sure what other theory could explain things more succinctly than the theory we already have.

 

But perhaps I am missing something ?

 

Peace

:)

[Mike C]

Snoopy

 

I am aware of the spin attributes to the electron. But the 'proton spin' can be sustituited for the electron spin to do the same thing.

Besides, what would cause the electron to spin? Especially when it is surrounded by a magnetic field resulting from its orbital motion? This much stronger MF would prevent the elctron from spinning.

 

Mike C

[snoopy]

Snoopy

 

I am aware of the spin attributes to the electron. But the 'proton spin' can be sustituited for the electron spin to do the same thing.

Besides, what would cause the electron to spin? Especially when it is surrounded by a magnetic field resulting from its orbital motion? This much stronger MF would prevent the elctron from spinning.

 

Mike C

How do you explain the Stern-Gerlach experiment without electron spin ?

 

Thanks

 

Peace

:)

[Mike C]

I do, and I won't bother to point out to you again where your ideas fail to match experiment- we talked in circles about this in another thread.

 

This is beside the point- the bohr atom has NO mechanism for fine structure/hyperfine structure- therefore it is incomplete, and we must go to Schroedinger.

-Will

 

So Schroedingers orbitals represent the electron?

 

All they do is represent the electron position possibilities in close proximity of electron interactions in molecules and elements above the HA.

IMO, the electron is still a particle with mass as the Bohr formulas say and that were proven previously by experiments.

 

The formulas that refute the Newtonian math did not include the 'magnetic interactions' within the HA that would give the Newtonian math the credibility it should have regarding the HA.

 

Mike C

[Mike C]

How do you explain the Stern-Gerlach experiment without electron spin ?

 

Thanks

 

Peace

:)

 

First of all, the meaning of 'spin' in this case is that it has no 'literal' meaning.

In other words, the electrons are NOT really spinning.

 

It has something to do with electron positions in atoms that, in my opinion, has nothing to do with Cosmology that is my main interest.

 

Mike C