Flying Binghi Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Funny video, with a seasonal touch While all but the most credulous children know no fat guys in red suits and sled-pulling caribou inhabit the Arctic Ocean pack ice, what the video alludes to, the shrinking of the Arctic Ocean icepack, is very real, and makes for dramatic graphics... Yes, its a funny video....BUT, I do note that the Polar Bears wer'nt rescued :) ...is it because Polar Bears eat Reindeer ???......:naughty: ...them inconvenient meat-eaters ... Capy-tain sea shepherd would be happy :hyper: ( I promise to get back to the serious side of this thread in the new year)
Michaelangelica Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Is Global Warming Creating New Climate Zones? Experts Say "Yes"Is Global Warming Creating New Climate Zones? Experts Say "Yes"
goku Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 typical of evolutionists to not know what they're saying.is the earth evolveing?how can something evolve and not change? reminds me of something terrorist elect obama said while campaining,we live in the greatest nation in the world, join me now as we change it.
goku Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 if some gas, is insulating the planet then there would be fewer storms. storms are the result of energy being released, heat energy. insulation stops or slows the transfur of heat energy.
REASON Posted January 2, 2009 Report Posted January 2, 2009 Not taking your bait anymore, goku. Your ignorant goading has become boring. :(
Michaelangelica Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 GOGGLE NEWSBligh alarmed by latest reef reportABC Online - 2 hours agoThe Queensland Premier says she is alarmed by reports that coral growth on the Great Barrier Reef is at its slowest for more than 400 years.Barrier Reef coral growth 'will stop' The AgeWarming could kill reef in 40 years The Canberra TimesReuters - Courier Mail - NEWS.com.au - The Australianall 123 news articles »
engineerdude Posted January 3, 2009 Author Report Posted January 3, 2009 Engineerdude, don't forget yesterday's ABC news announcements and interviews with our head climatologists. Is this "10th warmest year" with or without the faked data from fall 2008 that the AGW people tried to slide by us? And also in the ABC article I saw they said 2008 was the coolest year since 2001. This supports what I have seen, with global temperatures having peaked around 2000 and now we are on a pretty good down slope. Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real? We keep belching out more and more CO2 each year - there is certainly more atmospheric CO2 now than in 2001. Why is it getting cooler instead of warmer? By the way here's the link to the article I found concerning this ABC news thingie:WMO names 2008 in top 10 warmest years - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Michaelangelica Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real? No not necessarily. You are not seeing the woods for the treesIt is CLIMATE CHANGE that is the worry.More extremes everywhere. That is born out by the above report. That change can be different in the N and S hemispheres; so watch where your info comes from. For balance; one for the denialistshttp://www.rightsidenews.com/200901013165/energy-and-environment/un-recognize-victims-of-climate-change-environmental-refuges.htmlhttp://blueridgeforum.com/?p=259
Michaelangelica Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 An ABC radio debate on Global Warming.i missed alot of it but it what I heard was interestingClimate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle? - The National Interest - 2 January 2009i will listen to it again laterClimate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle? Rising waters, permanent drought, melting ice-caps: are these phenomena fixable, irreversible or merely non-issues? Climate sceptics say they are the victims of persecution by the grand inquisitors of eco-doom, while climate campaigners argue global warming is here now and the time for faffing around is over. That's the premise of this Deakin lecture, recorded at Melbourne's Fed Square earlier this year: that climate change is the only issue, the only framework, the one metanarrative that counts. Or should reducing poverty and improving living conditions remain the world's top priority? This discussion first went to air in June, 2008. GuestsChris TurnerAuthor of 'The Geography of Hope: A tour of the World We Need'Don HenryExecutive Director Australian Conservation FoundationLarissa BrownFounder and Executive Director Centre for Sustainability LeadershipDr Norman LewisChief Strategy Officer Wireless Grids Corporation (USA)Austin WilliamsArchitect, writer and critic Founder of ManTowNHumanDr Leela GandhiProfessor of English University of ChicagoFurther InformationManTowNHuman: Manifesto: Towards a New Humanism in ArchitectureAustralian Conservation FoundationCentre for Sustainability LeadershipPresenterClimate alert: top priority or obscurantist twaddle? - The National Interest - 2 January 2009
Michaelangelica Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Another pro and agin interview.The Guy is most saneHe objects to the word "denialist" as he says it is not only unscientific but also evokes memories of holocaust denialists.An interesting talk on the dynamics the whole debate is taking and the perils of complex modelling.Food for thought. Science and public policy Aynsley Kellow argues that the reliance of environmental science on mathematical models and the infusion of values into its conduct have produced a preference for virtual over observational data.GuestsAynsley KellowHead of the School of Government University of TasmaniaPublicationsTitle: Science and Public Policy : the Virtuous Corruption of Virtual Environmental ScienceAuthor: Aynsley KellowPublisher: Edward Elgar Publishing, IncorporatedPresenterMichael DuffyScience and public policy - Counterpoint - 5 January 2009An interesting talk following that on how Chinese food is the food of the USA; probably here tooCounterpoint
engineerdude Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 Is this "10th warmest year" with or without the faked data from fall 2008 that the AGW people tried to slide by us? And also in the ABC article I saw they said 2008 was the coolest year since 2001. This supports what I have seen, with global temperatures having peaked around 2000 and now we are on a pretty good down slope. Shouldn't things be, like, getting hotter, if AGW is real? We keep belching out more and more CO2 each year - there is certainly more atmospheric CO2 now than in 2001. Why is it getting cooler instead of warmer? By the way here's the link to the article I found concerning this ABC news thingie:WMO names 2008 in top 10 warmest years - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) For those who care here's a link to an article discussing the faked data I referenced above. IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
engineerdude Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 No not necessarily. You are not seeing the woods for the treesIt is CLIMATE CHANGE that is the worry.More extremes everywhere. That is born out by the above report. That change can be different in the N and S hemispheres; so watch where your info comes from. For balance; one for the denialists200901013165 | UN: Recognize Victims of Climate Change, Environmental Refuges | / | Energy & EnvironmentBlueRidgeForum Exposing the Dangerous Deceptions of Climate Extremists CLIMATE CHANGE is what AGW started calling this issue when the world stopped getting warmer nearly 7 years ago. AGW stands for Anthropogenic Global Warming - guess you can't call it global warming if the planet doesn't actually get warmer. Here's a link showing global temperatures, including recent years:More Global Cooling Evidence Embarrasses the IPCC Orthodoxy | ideonexus.com There is no evidence I can find that people are causing the weather to have more "More extremes everywhere". Hurricanes, droughts, and extreme weather are natural occurrences, and there have not in fact been higher incidences of these phenomena. Here is a link to just one article that discusses the fact that we have not seen any increase in extreme weather in recent times. The Volokh Conspiracy - Hurricanes and Climate Reconsidered: So, if the earth is not getting warmer, and there is not in fact any extreme weather associated with our activities, what the heck are you people fussing about?
REASON Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 For those who care here's a link to an article discussing the faked data I referenced above. IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming What do you suppose is the motive for a collection of top climate scientists from around the world to come together to falsify data in support of AGW?
Michaelangelica Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Paul joseph WatsonPropaganda Matrix.com - Exposing the New World Order and Government Sponsored Terrorism Australia records 14th warmest year on record in 2008Australia records 14th warmest year on record in 2008 | Herald Sun 2008 to be in top 10 warmest years say forecasters2008 to be in top 10 warmest years say forecasters | Environment | Reuters Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 YearsTop 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years Australia records 14th warmest year on record in 2008Australia records 14th warmest year on record in 2008 | Herald SunWhether such “mistakes” are made in genuine error or are part of a politicised push for man-made global warming to be universally accepted, and the evidence clearly suggests that latter is the case, the fact is that we can no longer tolerate the cry that “the debate is over” on man-made global warming in light of such gargantuan falsehoods.This from Paul Joseph Watson is laughableBUTNone of the above really matters.What matters is what is happening to sea temperatures, coral reefs, glaciers, the Arctic Ice shelf, permafrost etcThe trend and its influence on global climate change is the real worry. we would be silly to stick our heads in the sand and hope all will be well.For the first time in man's history we have the power to affect and effect the whole global ecosphere. How come you refuse to look at all this?It is unlikely that the plantet can continue indefinitely suffering the industrial, chemical, engineering and population ravages of man.At best we can argue about the time frame of major Global Climate Change.Does it happen in 10, 20 30, 40, 50, 100+ years.However it is flying in the face of reason to suggest that it is not happening at all.
Moontanman Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 it sounds like it's time to start building those orbiting toroidal space colonies!
engineerdude Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 For the first time in man's history we have the power to affect and effect the whole global ecosphere.No, we don't. People have no way to control weather - at least that's what I and a whole bunch of people think. The earth has been getting warmer since the glaciers started to melt, and it is likely to continue for a while more. Study it, project its consequences, deal with it, but don't lose sleep over it. The warming trend started when humans still lived in caves, and will continue until the earth decides its time for a change.
Zythryn Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Engineerdude, your response is not to any post here.Michaelangelica did not say we could control weather, he said we 'have the power to affect and effect the whole global ecosphere'. Control is not the same as affect. I would think someone with a scientific background would realize this.So, have you reformulated and conducted a more realistic test yet?
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