moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The D.S. I would accept... except I really think it would just be a huge waste of time. I doubt I could convince you, and I doubt you could convince me. I can't believe in Evolution because there is no evidence of the "links", like the mix of species(I forgot what those are called) and because I am a Christian. I probably couldn't convince you because you aren't a Christian. Do you agree with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The D.S. I would accept... except I really think it would just be a huge waste of time. I doubt I could convince you, and I doubt you could convince me. I can't believe in Evolution because there is no evidence of the "links", like the mix of species(I forgot what those are called) and because I am a Christian. I probably couldn't convince you because you aren't a Christian. Do you agree with this? You are mistaken about those links. Link to pertinent thread to follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I know this is off topic, and most likely insensitive and rather harsh, but can someone PLEASE tell me why moyself, the guy who has been going from thread to thread, spreading every kinda religious woo-ha and kind of information, aka his stance on global warming being wrong, creationisnm in schools, Gods attempt to save us all ect..., why his karma status is decievingly high while mine, is, well, i dunno, bout as low as it gets.His most recent post convinced me to rectify this situation. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I agree that such a task is difficult and may only succeed in furthering the aggrevation. Hmm...this is a problem, because I'm very very very willling to discuss not only this topic out with you, but others. I consider myself a true philosopher, as that being said, I need to understand why you think the way you do, and believe it or not, I am capable of being persuaded with proper motivation. You are Christian and I...well...we can call me Agnostic for now. I wish to beter understand religion and peoples faith, and nothing would please me more than to discuss why I feel the way I do on these subjects. World progress depends on people like you and me talking these things out, even if it may be difficult, till one or the other sees new light and both may agree. Religion has to face science eventually, and I'mnot afraid to tackel such a goliath. If you would like, we may start a new thread and start a rather important discussion on the basis of God, religion, and why science and him interact so harshly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 That sounds like it could be fun and interesting, but I don't really have the time(or knowledge) to do it... If I could meet with my pastor and dad and other people, I would gladly agree to do that, but I just don't have time to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I know that putting together a sufficient arguement is very time consuming and quite exhausting. Perhaps when you find yourself with a very large amount of freetime we could engage in such conversations. As it is now I thoroughly understand, as I too am often consumed by college work and other obligations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I know that putting together a sufficient arguement is very time consuming and quite exhausting. Perhaps when you find yourself with a very large amount of freetime we could engage in such conversations. As it is now I thoroughly understand, as I too am often consumed by college work and other obligations. This will never work anyway until you guys realize that religious and scientific view points are two separate paradigms, and can never be replaced by one dominating over the other. If you don’t get that you will never every be able to understand what mind and spirit represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 How is one to find reason within the religious paradigm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Thunderbird is right. If you somehow convinced me that Evolution was true, it would override my religious beliefs. If I convinced you that Creation was true, it would (obviously) override your beliefs in evolution, and I would have to convince you that the Bible is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 It is possible, for me anyway, for you to persuade me. I only feel the way I do about evolution, God, and the world because of information I know, my personal knowledge/experiance, and because it simply is more reasonable to me. If you, perhaps, were to suddenly appear with proof or evidence for ur case I would (honestly here) be most definitely persuaded to re-think my ways and/or join the ranks of Christianity. The same, hopefully, applies to yourself, that if I were able to do the same, such an action would arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I think it would be possible for me to convince you, but my belief in Christianity is unbreakable. Another problem with sharing viewpoints is that my side would probably be considered "preaching" and I would get banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Thunderbird is right. If you somehow convinced me that Evolution was true, it would override my religious beliefs. If I convinced you that Creation was true, it would (obviously) override your beliefs in evolution, and I would have to convince you that the Bible is true. Evolution is not about belief. You are equivocating. Look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Why is your faith unbreakable? I would have to frown on that notion, as no one "truly" knows anything when it comes to things such as religion. So your saying, that if I showed you in every way, shape, and form that God, his religion, and his teachings are wrong, that you would still believe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Why is your faith unbreakable? I would have to frown on that notion, as no one "truly" knows anything when it comes to things such as religion. So your saying, that if I showed you in every way, shape, and form that God, his religion, and his teachings are wrong, that you would still believe? If you did this, I would believe you, but there are so many things in the Bible that agree with what is happening today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moyself Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Evolution is not about belief. You are equivocating. Look it up. How am I not committing myself to what I say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I think it would be possible for me to convince you, but my belief in Christianity is unbreakable. Another problem with sharing viewpoints is that my side would probably be considered "preaching" and I would get banned. Probably preaching? Give me a break. Everyone wants to be a martyr these days. Hopefully no one keeps you waiting. Meantime, the topic is science. http://hypography.com/forums/history-forum/13372-judgment-day-intelligent-design-trial.html?highlight=creationism+case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D.S. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Moyself, you have opened a very large debate and I find it fascinating because I want to challenge your faith, not out of dislike for you (i happen to find our convo quite enlightening) but because every one needs their cage rattled now and then to test their might and mettle. How are the teachings of the Bible reflected in todays world, now that you have mentioned it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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