On the cusp

[Thunderbird]

 

So then you agree with me.

Close enough;)

[CraigD]

What I’ve attempted to describe in this thread is a definition of “objective reality” that is consistent with the term’s ordinary usage.

 

To do this, I’ve described an attribute that objective reality must possess: the ability to be a medium of communication. A person (eg: me) can affect objective reality (eg: write on it) is a way that one or more other people (eg: you) can perceive (eg: read what I’ve written).

 

This definition relies on substantial philosophical assumptions: in short, that more than one person exists, with the attending epistemological trapping. Although not all people accept this assumption, it is so common that I assert that the use of the term “objective reality” by any person not believing it is not ordinary.

 

Many people claim to be able visit other realities – which I term non-ordinary realities - that they assert are also objective according to the above definition. Terms used for this include dreaming, astral projection, and out-of-body travel. These people assert, for example, the ability to visit a known person a large distance from them, without physically traveling or using a device such a radio or telephone, and convey some mundane information, such a location and time, a telephone number, or a recipe for brownies.

 

I don’t believe this assertion, due to it having never been demonstrated in an controlled experiment. If various claimants claim are true, such an experiment is trivial to design and conduct, yet what few such experiments have been conducted, have failed to support such claims.

 

Therefore, by my or any ordinary definition, Thunderbird’s claim (bolding mine)

On thing is for sure when you spend enough time OOB it may be a separate reality, But it is still an objective reality in that there are alternate set of rules, but consistent rules all the same. Rules that govern movement perception, physics, etc...

is untrue, unless it can be demonstrated that the reality of which he writes can be used for ordinary communication.

 

:)

Thunderbird (or any reader), do you believe that it can be? If so, do you believe that you, or others, have done so?

 

If not, do you believe that objective reality need not have the attribute of allowing communication?

:D

[Thunderbird]

What I’ve attempted to describe in this thread is a definition of “objective reality” that is consistent with the term’s ordinary usage.

 

To do this, I’ve described an attribute that objective reality must possess: the ability to be a medium of communication. A person (eg: me) can affect objective reality (eg: write on it) is a way that one or more other people (eg: you) can perceive (eg: read what I’ve written).

 

This definition relies on substantial philosophical assumptions: in short, that more than one person exists, with the attending epistemological trapping. Although not all people accept this assumption, it is so common that I assert that the use of the term “objective reality” by any person not believing it is not ordinary.

 

Many people claim to be able visit other realities – which I term non-ordinary realities - that they assert are also objective according to the above definition. Terms used for this include dreaming, astral projection, and out-of-body travel. These people assert, for example, the ability to visit a known person a large distance from them, without physically traveling or using a device such a radio or telephone, and convey some mundane information, such a location and time, a telephone number, or a recipe for brownies.

 

I don’t believe this assertion, due to it having never been demonstrated in an controlled experiment. If various claimants claim are true, such an experiment is trivial to design and conduct, yet what few such experiments have been conducted, have failed to support such claims.

 

Therefore, by my or any ordinary definition, Thunderbird’s claim (bolding mine)is untrue, unless it can be demonstrated that the reality of which he writes can be used for ordinary communication.

 

:)

Thunderbird (or any reader), do you believe that it can be? If so, do you believe that you, or others, have done so?

 

If not, do you believe that objective reality need not have the attribute of allowing communication?

:D

 

 

Remote Viewing, Crystalinks

 

 

Spying Programs

In 1972, the U.S. Central Intelligence (CIA) saw a potential use for remote viewing as a way to penetrate closed societies such as the Soviet Union without the actual risk of physical presence of spies, or the use of technical intelligence. The CIA was encouraged with the results of early trials and eventually the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) obtained funding for further experiments and conduct of actual classified remote viewing operations.

Star Gate Project

The Star Gate Project was one of a number of code names used to cover "remote viewing" programs. Others names by which the program was known included Grill Flame, and Center Lane, used during the years the unit was managed by the Army, and Sun Streak and Star Gate after the unit was taken over by Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). An earlier program, Scanate, was funded by the CIA in the early 1970s. Altogether, formal US Government involvement (CIA, Air Force, Army, and DIA) in remote viewing lasted from Fall 1973 through June 1995. The program itself evolved from research done at 'SRI' (Stanford Research Institute).

The research program was launched partly because some intelligence officers believed a 'psi-gap' had emerged between America and the Soviet Union, for example the reputed abilities of Nina Kulagina. But it was also borne of the soul searching that took place in the American military post Vietnam, and a willingness that subsequently emerged to 'think outside the box,' as exemplified by Jim Channon's 'First Earth Battalion' briefing.

Remote viewing, or sensing, of places or events is normally performed in the present, but sessions have also been undertaken in the past and future. One of the outcomes from the funding was a set of protocols designed to make clairvoyance a more scientific process, and minimize as much as possible session noise and inaccuracy. The term "remote viewing" emerged as a generalised short hand to describe this more structured approach to clairvoyance.

The project was eventually terminated, according to the official report at the time, because there was insufficient evidence of the utility of the intelligence data produced. However, in the generalized intelligence and defense budget cuts of the period, many projects lost funding. More realistically the unit was terminated because of managerial failure and the skeptical leanings of key individuals in the DIA and CIA chains of command.

In 1995 the project was transferred to the CIA and a retrospective evaluation of the results was performed. The CIA contracted the American Institutes for Research for this evaluation. An analysis conducted by Professor Jessica Utts showed a statistically significant effect. While agreeing with this basic analysis, noted long time CSICOP psychic debunker Ray Hyman suggested the results were not enough on their own, and a wider data set was required. Based upon Ray's finding that the intelligence utility was yet to be demonstrated, even if it was a real phenomena, the CIA followed the recommendation to terminate the project

Spying Programs

[Thunderbird]

Therefore, by my or any ordinary definition, Thunderbird’s claim (bolding mine)is untrue, unless it can be demonstrated that the reality of which he writes can be used for ordinary communication.

 

Ordinary communication, is for ordinary experience, non-ordinary experience is for insights, these insights are for sharing, You have made it more than crystal clear that this is not worthy of communicating. Set your limits and sure enough their yours.

 

 

 

Thunderbird (or any reader), do you believe that it can be? If so, do you believe that you, or others, have done so?

Let others set your limits and they will be yours too.

 

If not, do you believe that objective reality need not have the attribute of allowing communication?

You ever get any insight from a dream CraigD

[modest]

I guess post 20 is entirely plagiarized from:

 

Remote Viewing, Crystalinks

 

?

 

-modest

[Thunderbird]

I guess post 20 is entirely plagiarized from:

 

Remote Viewing, Crystalinks

 

?

 

-modest

Its a article, sorry I thought that was obvious in the way It was written, I will put in quotes around it to assuage any further confusion.