C1ay Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I believe in directed evolution with a goal in mind. Consider the ... You do realize there's a difference between "believing" something and "knowing" something? You might as well say "I have faith in directed evolution" which is pretty much the same as "I have faith in a designer". That certain features have evolved in the animal kingdom is not evidence of directed evolution. To prove they're directed you will need to provide proof of the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 You do realize there's a difference between "believing" something and "knowing" something? You might as well say "I have faith in directed evolution" which is pretty much the same as "I have faith in a designer". That certain features have evolved in the animal kingdom is not evidence of directed evolution. To prove they're directed you will need to provide proof of the director. Run a creationist:eek2: Its like Macarhyism, lable anyone a creationist if they can think, or see something about life you cannot. Its getting really really old. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 In my own words..... do you realize how many respected scholars and authors use these types of phases since Castanada ? Is what I said a valid veiwpoint or not? It was meant as a joke. :( In Castaneda's book "The Power of Silence", he speaks of intent and the interpretation extends to moving the assemblage point to "The Point of No Pity". Anyways, your use of the word "intent" is what triggered the joke, or attempt thereof. The basic premise of your post is a valid viewpoint, imo, though I wouldn't use the word "intent". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Its getting really really old. :( Good. This is a biology forum, not a religious one. Creationists can espouse their opinion at religious forums - Google Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REASON Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Run a creationist:eek2: Its like Macarhyism, lable anyone a creationist if they can think, or see something about life you cannot. Its getting really really old. :( Did you even read HB's post? Besides, it's a valid question to ask someone who chooses to assign teleological explanations where none is actually observed scientifically. If someone wants to assert that there is inherent intelligence or direction to the evolution of life forms, it is not like that of McCarthyism to request some form of supporting data other than their personal preference. Do you disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Did you even read HB's post? Besides, it's a valid question to ask someone who chooses to assign teleological explanations where none is actually observed scientifically. If someone wants to assert that there is inherent intelligence or direction to the evolution of life forms, it is not like that of McCarthyism to request some form of supporting data other than their personal preference. Do you disagree?It like the old Zen proverb " Riding the ox in search of the ox" or more apropos to your stance "Riding the ox and not seeing the ox" There is an inherent intelligent at work in the universe its in you me and in all life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Good. This is a biology forum, not a religious one. Creationists can espouse their opinion at religious forums - Google Search I still do not see any creationist veiw in HB's post.:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 There is an inherent intelligent at work in the universe its in you me and in all life. And you know this how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 The basic premise of your post is a valid viewpoint, imo, though I wouldn't use the word "intent".Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I still do not see any creationist veiw in HB's post.:( To imply that there is a director or designer is to imply creation. There is no knowledge of such, only belief, belief that is unsupported by knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 And you know this how?Clay are you still thinking am referring to something religious.. I am saying what’s in life,... you know brains cells, my intent to evolve, your intent to evolve, a rabbits intent to evolve, inherent intelligentsia in all life... hello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Why? Because it is inaccurate imho. Intent suggests that we control what is happening. Perhaps "the way" would be more appropriate. In any case, it's not Biology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Because it is inaccurate imho. Intent suggests that we control what is happening. Perhaps "the way" would be more appropriate. In any case, it's not Biology. The "way" or "Tao" is the good also but when a kangaroo does what is in its nature there is an instinctual intent involved that results in evolutionary change. Of coarse it does not know that in ten thousand generations of this it may result in a morphological change, but if the kangaroo's "Tao" is good it will adapt and overcome obstacles. It is biology indeed, life acts in ways that can be observed that lead to adaptations.:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Clay are you still thinking am referring to something religious.. I am saying what’s in life,... you know brains cells, my intent to evolve, your intent to evolve, a rabbits intent to evolve, inherent intelligentsia in all life... hello. "intent to evolve" implies evolving on purpose as if it could be controlled... Define intelligentsia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 life acts in ways that can be observed that lead to adaptations. That is an opinion. It is not knowledge. There is no evidence that adaptations are the results of directed processes, that they are "lead to". Stating your opinion as "fact" does not make it so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REASON Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Clay are you still thinking am referring to something religious.. I am saying what’s in life,... you know brains cells, my intent to evolve, your intent to evolve, a rabbits intent to evolve, inherent intelligentsia in all life... hello. My intent is to survive, not evolve. To evolve biologically takes more time than any individual is alloted. My ability to survive and procreate is what keeps the evolutionary process going. It is the same for all species - even those with no brains. Evolution is a process, not an objective. There is no evidence to support a claim of evolutionary intent that I am aware of. If you are aware of any, than provide it so that I, and the rest of the dogmatic unenlightened, may be educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 "intent to evolve" implies evolving on purpose as if it could be controlled...What's good for a rabbit, is good for rabbit kind. Define intelligentsia. unconsciously creating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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