administrator Posted April 26, 2003 Report Posted April 26, 2003 I have a science assignment due in soon and i need to know some religious beliefs compared to scientific theories on how the universe was created. I also need to do a survey on people of different religious backgrounds, but i cant think of many questions, so maybe you guys could help me think of some and reply ... I thought of the following: 1) Religious Background2) How do you think the universe was created? and thats it... If some people can help me it will appreciated! Thanks,Harry
deamonstar Posted April 26, 2003 Report Posted April 26, 2003 question #3... given that there are 2 "basic" theories on how the universe was created (i.e.: creation and the big-bang), do you think that it is possible that the big-bang could be the method of creation?
Tormod Posted April 26, 2003 Report Posted April 26, 2003 Question #4: Do you think _any_ cosmological theory originated as anything but a religious idea? @deamonstar...hey, there are many more than 2 basic theories. But you know that, right? Tormod
deamonstar Posted April 27, 2003 Report Posted April 27, 2003 of course. but you get what I meant... right?
Tormod Posted April 27, 2003 Report Posted April 27, 2003 Of course. I only wish I had asked Q#3. Tormod
administrator Posted April 27, 2003 Author Report Posted April 27, 2003 Thanks guys but i think ill use these foloowing answers: 1) Religious Background2) How do you think the universe was created?3) Are your beliefs based on fact?4) Are they documented?5) Do you have any written proof of your belief's findings?6) How can you in the 21st century believe that god created everything, when scientists are yet to prove the other theorems inconclusive? (Asked if they believed in creation)7) How can you in the 21st century not belive that god created everything, when scientists are yet to disprove it? Give me some suggestions please guys and maybe answer the following survey too Thanks Alot,Harry
Tormod Posted April 27, 2003 Report Posted April 27, 2003 Harry, I think q#4 and q#5 are basically the same. Anyway, good luck. Would you mind telling us what grade you're in? Tormod
administrator Posted April 29, 2003 Author Report Posted April 29, 2003 Hey,Being a catholic i know that we(and jews) believe in a great flood (noah sound familiar?),Could this could be related to pangea? (ya know when the continents were all connected?). The ojibways and other native north americans beleive that there was a flood aswell and the earth was created on the shell of a turtle. Hope this helps
syndicated Posted April 30, 2003 Report Posted April 30, 2003 How would the ojibway natives, jews, or christians know about Pangea? It is my understanding that back in those days, the dinosaurs we're still in their infancy. Co-incidence? Maybe.... Maybe not?Maybe our ancestors had an epiphany like the monkeys at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey! :-) Back to the original topic however, I find that God and science are never a good mix. Especially when it comes to creationism, evolution and the universe. I mean look what happened to Galileo!The way I view religion is, if God or the gods or whoever it may be created everything, then why are there so many belief systems? There's too much controversy and violence associated with it. Realistically speaking, religion has been the cause of every major war and geocide in the past 3000 years. Believe in whatever you will, but don't hate what you don't understand. :-)
Noah Posted April 30, 2003 Report Posted April 30, 2003 Originally posted by: AnonymousHey,Being a catholic i know that we(and jews) believe in a great flood (noah sound familiar?),Could this could be related to pangea? (ya know when the continents were all connected?). The ojibways and other native north americans beleive that there was a flood aswell and the earth was created on the shell of a turtle. Hope this helps Here are my personal thoughts on the "Great Flood". The Sumerians (first civilization) and Babylonians, both cultures that are thought to have come up with the bible stories in the first place, lived in Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq). Back then the Tigris and Euphrates would flood, and they could use that for agriculture, like the Egyptions did with the Nile. But the Tigris & Euphrates rivers were not predictable, and would flood in varied amounts. I think the story of Noah is perhaps a "folk" tale, or perhaps written based on a "real" event during a period of unusally large amounts of flooding. And for the people writing it, their land of Mesopotamia may have been all that the "world" for them consisted of. Now, I am not saying that God didn't do this (I'm agnostic) however. /Edit - I have a paper that I wrote that included this subject in it. If anyone would be interested in it, I can post it.
administrator Posted May 25, 2003 Author Report Posted May 25, 2003 Woot! I finished the report and got 17/20 for it.. Tormod i am in Science A of year 10, sorry for answering so late too much work.. Harry
Tormod Posted May 25, 2003 Report Posted May 25, 2003 Good job, Harry! Hope we were able to help you out at all. Tormod
Oracle Posted May 26, 2003 Report Posted May 26, 2003 The same people who left us the legacy called "bible", thought the earth is flat....Mixing up proof with beliefs isn't all that simple.
Tormod Posted May 27, 2003 Report Posted May 27, 2003 Eva, actually there is no evidence that the Christian faith has ever worked against the (orignially Greek) theory that the Earth is round. In the 1800s some historians made a big point out of what seemed to have been a hard struggle against the church to fight a "dogma" that the Earth was flat. In fact, the church never seems to have had any problems with the Earth being round - and certainly there is nothing in the Bible which claims the Earth to be flat, either (to my knowledge - correct me if I'm wrong). Now, of course, they had _big_ problems with the Earth not being the center of the Universe, but that's a different story... @syndicated - I agree with you. What happened with Galileo is one thing (although I think it was peanuts compared to what happened to Giordano Bruno and scores of others). Every religion - and every political movement - has a problem with scientific progress, as it is usually seen as a threat to the current state of affairs. We see this even today, although we claim to live in technologically advanced societies - that for example Texan schools want to ban evolution, American and Brits want to ban embryo testing (not to mention the human cloning affair), it takes forever to find alternatives to fossil fuel because the entire Western civilization has become a slave to it. But don't forget that the church and the monasteries were centers of learning (and still are!) for thousands and thousands of people since the early days. So not everything the church stands for is bad. What has been the problem of the church is the politicial regime it forced upon people, with horrible punishment for non-conformity, and the close ties between the church and oppressive rulers have in many cases been a truly horrible combination (what with the age of colonization of Asia, Africa and South America by Europeans, Bible in their hands). Tormod
Oracle Posted May 31, 2003 Report Posted May 31, 2003 Thanks, Tormod, But you see that was just an expression I was refering to everything the bible says and the science and I seem to believe the science more when we talk about nature and everything, because it's easier and it's easier to believe in something that can be proved. I believe in God but I don't believe in the concept the people introduce of him. Many will say that he is a concept himself, I just think of him as a creator, but a creator of what? See my believing is that he's the creator of souls, of feelings, but nature.....who knows. We have proved so much about nature by science , but science hasn't proved so far anything of our souls and spirits. So he could be the creator of "spiritual life."Jesus was brought to gather us and take away the sin of lonelyness greed and turning our backs on God in the future. It's that simple. Are we ever going to know the truth. Most likely I believe yes, when we die. :-) Once we figure out how to bring God and science in our prayers the world wil turn it's way 180 degrees towards...."God knows what.":-)
AstroRuss Posted June 1, 2003 Report Posted June 1, 2003 The Jews never believed the earth was flat, infact they've always used a calander based on the moons revolutions around the earth. (or atleast the moons angle between the earth and the sun).. anyway, I dont believe science and god are too much of a contradiction... maybe "one day" back in the "days of creation" doesn't refer to one 24 hour period as we know it now... it could have meant a period, or a revolution which may have taken thousands of what we feel as years in which species of life were formed (or "created") and extinct in one. maybe gods act of seperating the heavens and the earth, day and night, x and all comply to the big bang theory very well? infact, there are many relations between the 2 and not that many contradictions.. infact.. almost none at all if its interpreted right... (not that I'm able of doing that though anyway,.. just some interesting thoughts on the matter._Russ.
wendiane Posted June 4, 2003 Report Posted June 4, 2003 when jehovah's witnesses come knocking on the door, ask them their view on the big bang theory. it is incredibly interesting.
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