Eddy_P Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 Moderation Note: Moved to Strange Claims For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet. He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view. It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”. Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof. UPDATE: June 2010 Five videos now introduce and show what type of computer technology and which cd-roms (ie. DOOPArts) has been documented and depicted by people in ancient times. Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/forums/index.html After viewing them, you may wish to conduct the on-line Evaluation session. Quote
Moontanman Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet. He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view. It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”. Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof. 10 Examples of Ancient Texts describing Modern Technology Use this link then go directly to the Evaluation Session (or read an Introduction beforehand). One really glaring problem with the descriptions is the Bullock picture, it's a dog not a cow. Any one familiar with cows would know they do not have multiple teats on their underside and it's head is a dogs head not a cow. If that one detail is that wrong and still you keep insisting it's not then everything else suffers as well. Have you thought of the idea that maybe the CD ROM was based on ancient legends instead of ancient legends being based on the CD Rom? Quote
freeztar Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 Have you thought of the idea that maybe the CD ROM was based on ancient legends instead of ancient legends being based on the CD Rom? +1 Eddy, if you are trying to convince people of this stuff, you've probably taken a wrong turn on your route of advertising. Quote
InfiniteNow Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 He's been doing this on Hypography for 3 years. You guys are WAY more patient that I am. Quote
Moontanman Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 It blew my mind that he was trying to pass off a picture of a sylized dog (I've seen that picture somehow connected with Romans, Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome maybe) as a bull or a cow. It's a dog or a wolf but it is obviously not a cow. Quote
freeztar Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 True, but you must agree that they are holding a CD case, right? :hihi: Quote
Moontanman Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 True, but you must agree that they are holding a CD case, right? :( No doubt in my mind, what else could it possibly be? :hihi: Quote
Eddy_P Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Posted June 8, 2008 One really glaring problem with the descriptions is the Bullock picture, it's a dog not a cow. Any one familiar with cows would know they do not have multiple teats on their underside and it's head is a dogs head not a cow. If that one detail is that wrong and still you keep insisting it's not then everything else suffers as well.NO. The ‘bullock’ is not a dog but actually a She-Wolf. This is stated on one of the cd-rom’s HELP pages. So sorry, YOUR incorrect opinion on just ONE of the many exact matches doesn’t void the presentations, nor does it make anything else ‘suffer’. BTW, I do not know why different cultures described the She-Wolf and the Capital icons in different ways. Have you thought of the idea that maybe the CD ROM was based on ancient legends instead of ancient legends being based on the CD Rom?You obviously didn’t go to the conclusion page after the 10 evaluation pages, but you are not the first.So here, just for you… Others have phrased your doubt in this way: “I don’t see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.” One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration. Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'. But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence. The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery. Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts. If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration. If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration. If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes…… But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ? The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.) The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…The Roman section shows things Roman…The Greece section shows things Greek…The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…The Carthage section shows things Carthagian……and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon. Specifically...Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it." Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom. We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller. Quote
Moontanman Posted June 8, 2008 Report Posted June 8, 2008 NO. The ‘bullock’ is not a dog but actually a She-Wolf. This is stated on one of the cd-rom’s HELP pages. So sorry, YOUR incorrect opinion on just ONE of the many exact matches doesn’t void the presentations, nor does it make anything else ‘suffer’. BTW, I do not know why different cultures described the She-Wolf and the Capital icons in different ways. You obviously didn’t go to the conclusion page after the 10 evaluation pages, but you are not the first.So here, just for you… Others have phrased your doubt in this way: “I don’t see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.” One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration. Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'. But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence. The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery. Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts. If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration. If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration. If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes…… But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ? The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.) The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…The Roman section shows things Roman…The Greece section shows things Greek…The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…The Carthage section shows things Carthagian……and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon. Specifically...Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it." Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom. We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller. Ok, lets assume you are correct, why would some future time traveler take an out dated piece of technology back in time with them? Why wouldn't they take a flash drive or something we dont' even know about? A flash drive makes much more sense than a CD-ROM. Quote
Eddy_P Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Posted June 8, 2008 RE: “Ok, lets assume you are correct, why would some future time traveler take an out dated piece of technology back in time with them? Why wouldn't they take a flash drive or something we dont' even know about? A flash drive makes much more sense than a CD-ROM.” I agree that a flash drive makes more sense (to us) but there was a reason. Here are answers to previous questions that should answer your question. Why did 'time messengers' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ? The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future.When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods . -Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ? Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents. They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts). A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package. -Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ? It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms. At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold 'unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals'.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current 'modern' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms. If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms. -Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ? For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries. A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified. -Where was the electricity source to power computers in the ancient world ? It is surmized that if the technology was available to make and send a time machine, chrononauts, and a computer back in time, then it would be a relative simple matter to power an older style computer. It was earlier explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer. -Explaining computer usage to grandparents can pose a huge challenge even when there is no language barrier.How long did the messenger(s) stay in the past to teach people how to use the compact disks (ie. the sealed 'history books') ? It is believed that each visit was very short, and that only the particular ancient person (now known as a prophet) was shown the cd-rom presentations on a computer so they could record what they were told and what they viewed. They were not taught how to use the computer as such, but some were specifically shown how to load a new compact disk and use the mouse themselves (eg. John of Patmos and Nostradamus). -What language would have been used to communicate with all the different cultures given the obvious language diversity ? We do not know the answer to that, but language may not have been totally necessary. Pictures were the medium. You do not need words to show men fighting (in the case of the Grolier's War presentation).Any modern language spoken by the time messengers would not have been understood by the ancient Mesopotamians nor the Egyptians. But this question may be relevant for later encounters.The Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean CD-Rom was distributed in the four languages of English, French, German, and Italian. Was the Italian version sent back to the Roman and Greek eras (and to John on Patmos island) along with an Italian speaking chrononaut specifically to communicate with the Latin speaking Romans and Greeks (cf. Delphi Oracle) ? Was the French version and a French speaking chrononaut sent back to Nostradamus ? Was the German version being sent back to Martin Luther in Germany the catalyst for the Reformation in the 1500s ? Did Joseph Smith Jnr view the English version in circa 1830CE ? - - - Extracts from WBD website’s Qs & As page (used with permission) Quote
Moontanman Posted June 8, 2008 Report Posted June 8, 2008 You still don't have an explanation for why the obsolete CD-ROM format was used to begin with. A flash drive can show exactly the same thing as a CD-ROM and it's smaller, more efficient, more durable and uses less electricity and would be more familiar to a future time traveler than an obsolete format. To a time traveler a flash drive is probably as ancient as a stone tablet is to us or are trying to say the time travelers come from a time close to ours? And by the way I did say the cow was either a dog or a wolf and it was a Roman image, no other people used that same image. Talk about closed time like loops..... What you are saying is (correct me if I'm wrong) that the time travelers went back with what was to them obsolete technology because this guy Pegg found evidence of Said CD-ROMs in the past? If so who took back the original obsolete technology and why? You raise more questions than you answer. I am not the type of person who would dismiss you out of hand but so far you are arguing in a circle. Quote
Eddy_P Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Posted June 8, 2008 RE: “You still don't have an explanation for why the obsolete CD-ROM format was used to begin with.” Well, I actually have explained it to the best of my ability.It may be that you do not accept my explanations, or the context and reasons for the time travel back-steps allude you at this time. I have told you nearly everything I know. RE: “To a time traveler a flash drive is probably as ancient as a stone tablet is to us or are trying to say the time travelers come from a time close to ours?” You pose your own opinions based upon your own suppositions as questions.At this point of time I can not comment upon concepts that I have not studied.It would be amiss of me to comment upon assumptions that currently do not have firm answers. What I can comment upon are the physical observations when descriptions from ancient texts are compared with the pictures from the Ancients cd-rom. RE: “What you are saying is (correct me if I'm wrong) that the time travelers went back with what was to them obsolete technology because this guy Pegg found evidence of Said CD-ROMs in the past?” It seems that this is the conclusion drawn from my studies. As previously said…“If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.” As this is an on-going study, if new information comes to hand, then judgements may be amended. RE: “You raise more questions than you answer” Yes. This often happens as I read through Pegg’s work.Again, this is why I usually only comment upon topics that I have personally studied, evaluated, and confirmed. Quote
Eddy_P Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Posted June 8, 2008 Who took back the original obsolete technology and why ? Based upon ten years of research, this is how I see it.>-- 1. For some reason, someone, with a set of cd-roms and a computer, went back to the ancient Middle East (ca. 3114BCE), and gave a show & tell.Reasoning/evidence - Akkadian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, and Egyptian legends (and hieroglyphs) describe (and depict) contents of the cd-roms.1.b. Result – ancient religions with multiple gods. 2. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1450BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again).2. b. Result - one god religions spawned. Egyptian Aten, Hebrew Faith.Reasoning/evidence - Papyrus of Ani shows, describes, and depicts a computer, compact disk, etc. Genesis chp 1 describes opening sequence of the Ancients cd-rom. 3. Someone (named Gabriel in Ezekiel’s case), then went back again (ca. 600BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again). But this time the angel specifically spoke to Daniel (for example) about the 1991 PGW, and when all these ‘mistakes’ will be corrected.Reasoning/evidence - Ezekiel, Daniel, Lehi texts describe the contents of the cd-rom, and Daniel various segemnts of ‘future history’.3. b. Result - while augmenting the Hebrew Faith with a new set of texts called prophetic texts, this actually did not ‘birth’ any new religions. 4. Someone, then went back again (ca. 30CE) and told the Roman person Paul “whoops, the Hebrew religion is wrong because it is based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to Paul).Reasoning/evidence - Paul describes seeing the cd-rom maker’s logo.4.b. Result - He told his story to others, and their combined stories became the basis for the ‘Jesus Stories’. (The later Roman Christian Religion three centuries later made this into the ‘son of God’ religion that we know about today). 5. Someone, then went back again (ca. 95CE) and told John on Patmos Island Paul “whoops, Paul and the other have got it wrong because the Jesus stories are based upon the encounter Paul had with a time traveller plus the imagery from these cd-roms” (shown AND explained to John).Result - John’s Book of Revelation is his account of this encounter and includes the modern historical events told to him along with the images he saw from the cd-roms. While augmenting the Jesus Stories with a new prophetic text, this actually did not ‘birth’ a new religion. (But again, the Roman Christian Religion later use the ‘knowledge of the future’ to their advantage to continue to assert an emotional hold over their followers.) 6. Someone (named Gabriel), then went back again (ca. 600CE) and told Mohammed “whoops, the Hebrew and Roman Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him, and known as the Night Journey).6.b. Result - a brand new religion was birthed. 7. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1811) and visited Smith Snr in America and told him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him),Reasoning/evidence - Smith Snr tells of seeing the ‘animals in the box’ (ie. the animal icons from the Ancients main menu screen on the monitor).7.b. Result - Confusion, but supports his son later when a similar story id told to him. 8. Someone (at least two), then went back again (ca. 1827) and visited Smith Jnr in America and him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms”.This time a different set of texts (ancient Hebrew historical texts) were given to Smith, which he translated. But just the compact disks were given with those other texts.Reasoning/evidence - picture of plastic jewel cases being held by witnesses.8.b. The contemporary Church stopped Smith’s endeavour, and others later created the new Mormon Church based upon their interpretation that the time travellers were ‘aliens’ combined with the Christian religion.. These are just some of the main Faiths discovered by Pegg as having encounters with time travellers. There are many others, including Nostradamus. …..<Yours Faithfully,Eddy PengellyOn behalf of PPHC Study Group (Australia) PSAs you can see, I do not know who the 'someone' is, but the evidence presented by Pegg derives the the above conculusion. Quote
nutronjon Posted June 8, 2008 Report Posted June 8, 2008 I am getting, any idea that is outside of realm of shared knowledge, is taboo and the person who post the idea outside of the shared knowledge is attacked, without logical argument. You all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts? Eddy_P, you are using a lot of jargon and this excludes everyone not familiar with the jargon you are using. Can you pick one point to discuss, and state this one point without jargon? Or list all ten in simple English. I went to the site and I am not spending my valuable time trying to figure out where to find the information about the 10 points. Personally I think Jung and Joseph Campbell said things that could help us understand what appears to be a phenomenia of time travel. Also there is the idea that time is a dimension, and not linear as it appears to us. I think we can use science and physchology to discuss your subject, but the form in which you present your arguement needs to be more user friendly. Quote
InfiniteNow Posted June 8, 2008 Report Posted June 8, 2008 IYou all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts? Please stop hijacking threads, nutronjon. Quote
freeztar Posted June 8, 2008 Report Posted June 8, 2008 I am getting, any idea that is outside of realm of shared knowledge, is taboo and the person who post the idea outside of the shared knowledge is attacked, without logical argument. You all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts? Nutron, please read the post entitled "science is closed-minded". It deals with this subject precisely. Eddy's arguments are not new. If you'd like, you can do a search and see other threads where we have debated him with logic and reason in the past. I've looked at the evidence presented and do not find it to be conclusive. When confronted with opposition to his evidence, Eddy will usually say something like: "This is what I know from Pegg's research". Not a single person has been convinced by his arguments. Do you really want to be the first? Quote
Eddy_P Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Posted July 29, 2008 Some results so far Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where 0-30 is NO, >30-50 is probably not, >50-75 is MAYBE,>75-85 is probably, and>85 to 100 is YES. Results from 12 Evaluation Sessionsnil: 0 - 302 : >30 - 504 : >50 - 754 : >75 - 852 : >85 - 100--12 in total Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence. For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions. Can you help ? Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ? Evaluating 10 Ancient Texts that Pegg says describe Modern Technology Quote
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