Real Life Star Destroyer

[JoeRoccoCassara]

The Star Destroyers travel at up to the speed of light due to their ‘Microwave Thrusters’

 

 

Inside of their Microwave Thrusters are two microwave transmitters connected to the inside dome of the thrusters by Spider Silk and Polymer armor coated Class A Titanium, the inside of these Rods hold wires that send currents, produced by Fusion Reactors behind the wall of the Thrusters, to the Microwave Transmitters themselves, this is what powers them.

 

These Microwave Transmitters are powered by two 100% efficient fusion reactors as stated above, and they are so powerful that they heat the front of the thrusters to 200000000 Kelvin from the inside in just 5 hours. Since there are two Microwave Thrusters, the Craft moves at 500 Metres Per Second, according to the formula E=MV^^ (^ means squared)

 

 

But since the Microwave transmitters emit large quantities of thrust themselves, they slow the Craft down, but they don't produce nearly a fraction of the thrust that the Microwave Thrusters do after another 5 hours, eventually the heat they produce will cancel out their own recoil.

 

The Fusion Reactors need to supply so much power that they themselves are powered by a Super Fusion Reactor, AND about 5 tons of hafnium and helium 3, so they can perform more than 100%.

 

They are not powered by 'Antimatter Warp Drives' because Antimatter costs more than Fusion Reactors, and to make so much Antimatter, we would need tons of expensive particle excellerators on the Star Destroyer, giving the crew less space.

[Reaper]

Except that the architects of the stardestroyer have had Galactic Civilization for much, much longer then we have had agriculture. Stardestroyers are capable of going millions of times faster than the speed of light. The source of their power for propulsion is unknown. Given these timescales, their huge size (about 1.6 km) and their preposterous energy requirements, and the social cooperation and industrial capability necessary to build one, I doubt we would be able to build one in 500 years, or a 1000 years.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Except that the architects of the stardestroyer have had Galactic Civilization for much, much longer then we have had agriculture. Stardestroyers are capable of going millions of times faster than the speed of light. The source of their power for propulsion is unknown. .

 

This is a similar, yet more feasible Intergalactic Space Craft, that can carry 40 Orion's, and is explained fully.

 

Now when they do make the jump to C, everyone inside is turned into shapeless paste, thats the only draw back, and I don't think there is a reasonable solution yet.

 

Given these timescales, their huge size (about 1.6 km) and their preposterous energy requirements, and the social cooperation and industrial capability necessary to build one, I doubt we would be able to build one in 500 years, or a 1000 years.

 

I disagree. Look at some of the things we have done in the past with what we had then, and look out how much we have now, and how little we are doing. Here are some of the tools that would aid the Star Ship giant, such as this,

 

Hypography - Science for everyone

 

We are making discoveries all of the time, we are advancing faster than ever, and in 500 years, sheesh, this is a merciful undertaking.

[Moontanman]

Get real, every one knows that matter/antimatter warp drive is far more efficient and makes for a far more powerful star ship:hyper:

[Reaper]

This is a similar, yet more feasible Intergalactic Space Craft, that can carry 40 Orion's, and is explained fully.

 

Now when they do make the jump to C, everyone inside is turned into shapeless paste, thats the only draw back, and I don't think there is a reasonable solution yet.

 

Do you mind elaborating here? And your calculations are all wrong, you have to use different formulas when calculating for relativistic kinetic energy (or rather, start actually using standard physics formulas period, I can't follow a thing you are saying...)

 

And, you still have to explain how this ship of yours can actually travel at the speed of light, as our current theories say that it is impossible, unless you warp space or something like that.

 

I disagree. Look at some of the things we have done in the past with what we had then, and look out how much we have now, and how little we are doing.

 

Have we had anything even remotely close to a galactic civilization at any time in the past? Because compared to what they could potentially do, a planetary civilization is severely limited.

 

 

Here are some of the tools that would aid the Star Ship giant, such as this,

 

Hypography - Science for everyone

 

The URL just takes us to the main page.

 

 

We are making discoveries all of the time, we are advancing faster than ever, and in 500 years, sheesh, this is a merciful undertaking.

 

True, but that doesn't mean that we will magically have the ability to create something like a star destroyer in the next 500 years. In fact, I don't even think we will leave our own solar system in the next 500 years, let alone establish a galactic civilization.

 

It's not enough to have the technical capability or the scientific know-how, you must also have the social organization, the economic capital, the industrial capability, and most importantly the natural resources in order to undertake such a project. A galactic civilization, with an entire galaxy at their disposal, could easily create star destroyers. A small planetary civilization like our own just simply wouldn't have what it takes to build one; the natural resources, the economic capital, or even the political will just simply won't be there in 500 years. A galactic civilization, however, will take a great deal of time to emerge, so I'm not going to be holding my breath here.

 

Get real, every one knows that matter/antimatter warp drive is far more efficient and makes for a far more powerful star ship:hyper:

 

Would it allow the this ship to travel across the galaxy in a matter of days?

[Janus]

The Star Destroyers travel at up to the speed of light due to their ‘Microwave Thrusters’

 

 

Inside of their Microwave Thrusters are two microwave transmitters connected to the inside dome of the thrusters by 12 inch thick man made spider webs.

 

 

These Micro wave Transmitters heat the top of the thrusters to 2000 Kelvin, and there are two thrusters, so all and all the thrusters get heated to 4000 Kelvin, and exert a force of 200 G’s.

 

4000° K works out to an exhaust velocity of about 110,000 m/s. Using this exhaust velocity and the relativistic rocket equation, it works out that you would need more reaction mass than exists in the entire visible universe(by many many times) to reach 99% of the speed of light.

The 200 g figure seems to be just made up.

 

 

 

To stop the transmitters from slowing the craft to a stand still, they are being pushed by ion thrusters on the bottom; these Ion Thrusters constantly emit an equal amount of ions.

 

The thrusters exert a force of 1,960 Joules.

Joules are a measure of energy, not force

The Star Destroyer weighs in at 40,000 tons. Now to find out the speed, 1,960 joules x 36,280,000 kilograms=72,108,800 x C Squared/1,199,169,832 Metres Per Second=80,000,000,000,000,000

 

The Square root of 80,000,000,000,000,000 is 282,842,712.

 

The Super Star Destroyer travels at approximately 282,842,712 metres per second, which is almost exactly as fast as the speed of light, about 99% of the speed of light.

 

The above is completely wrong. You can get a quick estimate of how fast it would move by using the classical kinetic energy formula:

 

E= mv²/2

 

We know the energy, E and the mass of the Ship, M so we re-arrange the formula to find v, which gives us:

 

sqrt(2E/m) = sqrt(2*1920j/36.280,000kg) =0.01 m/s, or about 0.036 km/hr, not even as fast as a slow walk! let alone a large fraction of light speed. (And since the speed is so slow, we don't have to refine our answer by uisng the relativistic formula, as it only varies significantly from the classical one at high fraction of the speed of light.

 

That’s when the Crew decides to make the jump to lightspeed, other wise, the Star Destroyer is barely moving at all.

 

 

The only reasonable fuel source for this Giant God of star ships would be a fully feasible and efficient giant fusion reactor built in the Star Destroyer, plus thousands of solar panels on it, PLUS some Helium 3 AND Hafnium brought from Earth and the Moon.

 

Long story short, this COULD be possible within 500 years.

 

Shorter story: Not possible at all as envisoned.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

4000° K works out to an exhaust velocity of about 110,000 m/s.

 

Depending on what the Micro-Waves from the Micro Wave Emitters are heating, they are heating the domes of the Microwave Thrusters, which are Microwave Sails, when heated to 2000 Kelvin they produce 100 G's of Thrust because they reflect heat.

 

Joules are a measure of energy, not force

 

Energy is a force.

 

The above is completely wrong. You can get a quick estimate of how fast it would move by using the classical kinetic energy formula:

 

E= mv²/2

 

We know the energy, E and the mass of the Ship, M so we re-arrange the formula to find v, which gives us:

 

sqrt(2E/m) = sqrt(2*1920j/36.280,000kg) =0.01 m/s, or about 0.036 km/hr, not even as fast as a slow walk! let alone a large fraction of light speed. (And since the speed is so slow, we don't have to refine our answer by uisng the relativistic formula, as it only varies significantly from the classical one at high fraction of the speed of light.

 

I guess that makes sense since this is such a large Craft, (40,000 tons)

 

But it only takes about 5 hours to heat the dome of the Thruster to 2000 Kelvin, so in another 5 hours, the two Microwave Thrusters will be heated to 8000 Kelvin, causing the gigantic Craft to move at 0.02, so in a week, the Microwave Thrusters will be heated to 1320000 Kelvin and the craft will travel at 0.66 m/s, and so on.

 

So this propulsion system isn't going to work.

[Reaper]

Depending on what the Micro-Waves from the Micro Wave Emitters are heating, they are heating the domes of the Microwave Thrusters, which are Microwave Sails, when heated to 2000 Kelvin they produce 100 G's of Thrust because they reflect heat.

 

All this is, is word salad.

You haven't even given details on how this ship is going to be moved, or how the engines actually work. You can't just spit out a bunch of fancy sounding terms and attach numbers to them, you also have to describe HOW it does that, and preferably those details should be expressed in math. How do you expect to move a 1.6 km ship with only microwave sails? Why only 2000 K? Just that for starters, I haven't even begun listing all of the important details you are missing in your "blueprints".

 

 

Energy is a force.

 

No, it's not.

[Moontanman]

Gardamorg, what you are proposing is like mounting electric fans on a sail boat to blow into the sails to make it go when there is no wind. Won't work dude, It's no better than perpetual motion!

[Janus]

 

 

 

Energy is a force.

 

 

 

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No, it isn't. Energy and force are two different concepts and use different units. Force is measured in Newtons (Kgm/s²) and energy is measured in Joules(Kgm²/s²).

 

Energy can be expressed as force multiplied by distance, and this does not make energy a force any more than distance is a velocity(Distance equals velocity multiplied by time).

 

You really need to put away the attempts at designing spacecraft until you gain a much better understanding of basic physics. You are trying to run before you've even learned to crawl.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

what you are proposing is like mounting electric fans on a sail boat to blow into the sails to make it go when there is no wind.

 

Super Bullshit.

 

 

Electric fans won't move the sail in the slightest, not only does my space craft move, but it accelerates, in a matter of months it would be moving faster than a bat out of hell, imagine, something that massive moving fast.

 

It doesn't move fast enough to get it anywhere out of our solar system, but it can carry so much fuel, it can hold so many solar panels, it can carry so many passengers, hual so much equipment, that it can be used as a tool to build the, 'Fast stuff'

[Overdog]

Gardamorg, I think it's great you are thinking about ways to reach the stars. Ultimately, if the human race is going to survive, we have to figure it out. Maybe one day we'll get there, using the Gardamorg Drive, and we'd love to help you if we can, but, please, try to think these ideas out a little bit more before you post them.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

All this is, is word salad.

You haven't even given details on how this ship is going to be moved, or how the engines actually work. You can't just spit out a bunch of fancy sounding terms and attach numbers to them, you also have to describe HOW it does that, and preferably those details should be expressed in math. How do you expect to move a 1.6 km ship with only microwave sails? Why only 2000 K? Just that for starters, I haven't even begun listing all of the important details you are missing in your "blueprints".

 

 

 

 

No, it's not.

 

 

After reading this I edited my first post to explain the propulsion part of the Star Destroyer. Thats the hard part of the Craft, next I will edit it to explain, artificial Gravity, shock absorbers so the crew doesn't get turned into jelly, life support systems, how they grow their food, how they live and survive in space for up to 40 years, ect.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

but, please, try to think these ideas out a little bit more before you post them.

 

 

Thats not what I do. I post an idea, they tell me whats wrong with it, I edit my idea, until it is complete.

[Overdog]

Thats not what I do. I post an idea, they tell me whats wrong with it, I edit my idea, until it is complete.

 

Then I doubt it will be the Gardamorg Drive that takes us to the stars.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Then I doubt it will be the Gardamorg Drive that takes us to the stars.

 

Theres really no deference from learning from others than there is going crazy trying to do it all on my own.

 

They're not giving me the ideas, they're telling me whats wrong with the ones I have, I've learned exactly how to tell the speed of my Crafts from Janus in this thread alone, never mind what I've learned from posting rediculous ideas throughout my entire stay on this site, or from the enternet itself.

 

If I had stayed off this site, and not posted anything, and learn not through failure, but through a teacher that I might or might not care to even listen to, as you would have me do, I would not know jack **** compared to what I know now.

 

What you just said was bullshit, and it completely upset me, because now that I care what I will be learning about in the future just as I cared about which star wars craft moved faster in the past.

[Overdog]

If you want to develope a drive that takes us to the stars, you will need to know more about it than we do, is all I'm saying. I'm not trying to upset you...just point out that if we knew how to develope such a drive, we would not be talking to you about it.