JoeRoccoCassara Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Posted July 4, 2008 If you want to develope a drive that takes us to the stars, you will need to know more about it than we do, is all I'm saying. I'm not trying to upset you...just point out that if we knew how to develope such a drive, we would not be talking to you about it. And all I'm saying is that I wouldn't give a **** about a drive unless it had to do with my car if it weren't for this site. I have to know the basics of what I like to talk about so that I can learn to excel later in life, blow away math and science teachers so I can get into the 'higher' learning systems. Once I do that I stop with the editing. Quote
Moontanman Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 Super Bullshit. Electric fans won't move the sail in the slightest, not only does my space craft move, but it accelerates, in a matter of months it would be moving faster than a bat out of hell, imagine, something that massive moving fast. No **** sherlock, where did you leave your squad car? You say you have microwave transmitters that transmit their energy to a sail and then that sail drives the ship, same principle, it can't happen. It's the same as perpetual motion. You may as well try to pull your self off the ground by pulling up on your own boots! It doesn't move fast enough to get it anywhere out of our solar system, but it can carry so much fuel, it can hold so many solar panels, it can carry so many passengers, hual so much equipment, that it can be used as a tool to build the, 'Fast stuff' It won't move at all if you are using a microwave transmitter to push a sail attached to the microwave transmitter. Come on Gardamorg, you have had some great ideas before, this one is just not workable. You could use the microwave transmitters as direct thrusters but you don't have enough energy to do that. Quote
Overdog Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 I have to know the basics of what I like to talk about so that I can learn to excel later in life, blow away math and science teachers so I can get into the 'higher' learning systems. Once I do that I stop with the editing. And that is why I say it won't be the Gardamorg Drive. Quote
JoeRoccoCassara Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Posted July 4, 2008 No **** sherlock, where did you leave your squad car? You say you have microwave transmitters that transmit their energy to a sail and then that sail drives the ship, same principle, it can't happen. It's the same as perpetual motion. You may as well try to pull your self off the ground by pulling up on your own boots! It won't move at all if you are using a microwave transmitter to push a sail attached to the microwave transmitter. Come on Gardamorg, you have had some great ideas before, this one is just not workable. You could use the microwave transmitters as direct thrusters but you don't have enough energy to do that. I suggest you reread my first post. The heat is what propels the Star Destroyer, not the Microwaves, all the microwaves do is generate more heat. Quote
JoeRoccoCassara Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Posted July 4, 2008 And that is why I say it won't be the Gardamorg Drive. Are you saying the more I learn the less smart I'll be? Quote
Moontanman Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 I suggest you reread my first post. The heat is what propels the Star Destroyer, not the Microwaves, all the microwaves do is generate more heat. But since the Microwave transmitters emit large quantities of thrust themselves, they slow the Craft down, but they don't produce nearly a fraction of the thrust that the Microwave Thrusters do after another 5 hours, eventually the heat they produce will cancel out their own recoil. This is total bull ****, thrust in one direction to gain energy in the other is impossible. If you use microwaves in one direction to heat up a surface to provide thrust in the opposite direction all you are going to do is melt your reflectors. The total thrust from the microwave transmitters will (at the very best) be the same as the thrusters so you get zero thrust. they cancel each other out completely. Quote
Reaper Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 The Star Destroyers travel at up to the speed of light due to their ‘Microwave Thrusters’ Inside of their Microwave Thrusters are two microwave transmitters connected to the inside dome of the thrusters by Spider Silk and Polymer armor coated Class A Titanium, the inside of these Rods hold wires that send currents, produced by Fusion Reactors behind the wall of the Thrusters, to the Microwave Transmitters themselves, this is what powers them. This design won't work at all. There is nothing in this design which demonstrates or even suggests how this engine is supposed to generate an acceleration, or thrust. And overall, this engine design would be wildly inefficient; the heat will just simply radiate away. These Microwave Transmitters are powered by two 100% efficient fusion reactors as stated above, In this universe, we obey the laws of thermodynamics :hihi: . An engine can never have 100% efficiency. and they are so powerful that they heat the front of the thrusters to 200000000 Kelvin from the inside in just 5 hours. 200000000 Kelvin? How is that supposed to help propel the ship? The thrusters are made of titanium, remember? That kind of heat would vaporize the ship, not move it. And how do you know it will do it in 5 hours? Why doesn't it take, say, 10 hours, or 15? You can't just make a bunch of numbers up. You really need to redo your entire blueprint; there is no math, no evidence of understanding of basic physics, and nothing to suggest how this is supposed to move. Since there are two Microwave Thrusters, the Craft moves at 500 Metres Per Second, according to the formula E=MV^^ (^ means squared) Read the above, there are very serious problems. And you are still making things up. But since the Microwave transmitters emit large quantities of thrust themselves, they slow the Craft down, but they don't produce nearly a fraction of the thrust that the Microwave Thrusters do after another 5 hours, eventually the heat they produce will cancel out their own recoil. :hihi::confused::confused::confused: The Fusion Reactors need to supply so much power that they themselves are powered by a Super Fusion Reactor, AND about 5 tons of hafnium and helium 3, so they can perform more than 100%. A fusion reactor is supposed to be a source of power. Why would they need power themselves? And again, we obey the laws of thermodynamics in this universe, stop the 100% nonsense. They are not powered by 'Antimatter Warp Drives' because Antimatter costs more than Fusion Reactors, and to make so much Antimatter, we would need tons of expensive particle excellerators on the Star Destroyer, giving the crew less space. Well, to be fair, as of right now our methods of manufacturing antimatter would make far less cost effective then fusion. But, this is ignoring the fatal flaws in your designs.... This design is just awful, awful! Not only wouldn't the engine actually work, and the fact that you still have yet to learn some basic physics, but the power sources you suggested would be completely inadequate for powering the ship itself and propelling it to a significant fraction of the speed of light. This just won't work, period. I suggest you read the Star Wars Technical Commentaries before you even attempt this project of yours. Quote
CraigD Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 Gardamorg, what I believe everyone is suggesting is that you need to learn basic mechanics before proposing things that are, to anyone who knows physics, obviously impossible. If you knew these basic things, you’d not make such claims, and we’d not have to explain why they’re impossible. Your designs, while they might take more work to produce, and make more modest performance predictions, would simply be better. Basic mechanics are, well, basic. They’re not hard to learn. Though there are lots of good introductory texts, I think a good way to learn them is to just write them down and read them until you understand them. I do this in (and go a couple additional steps into some simple modern physics) in Some essential classical mechanics and modern physics. When you’ve mastered the basics, Gardamorg, I think you’ll feel much more confident, and be taken much more seriously, when posting spaceship designs. I think you’ll find many people very willing and able to help you learn them. Quote
Overdog Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 Are you saying the more I learn the less smart I'll be?No, of course not. What I was trying to say is pretty much what CraigD just posted. Quote
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