DanielZKlein Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 Stumbling over a news story on animal testing (which I whole-heartedly endorse, not that anyone cares ;P) I was wondering this: if you want to test cancer treatments on rats, first you have to have rats with cancer. How do scientists go about this? Do they just screen large rat populations and pick out those specimens that naturally developed cancer? Do they have some ways of inducing cancer in rats? Radiation? Do they make the rats smoke a lot? ;P I googled a little, but with no results. I'm very curious about this--does anyone know? Quote
ryan2006 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 Does a rat go for the cheeze with the nutrients or with the cancer infected agent? Quote
Boerseun Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 Well, you can either culture an existing cancerous growth in a specific rat and transplant it to the experimental rodents, or, you could simply offer it a cigarette. Quote
ryan2006 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 Yeah, I don't feel very smart this morning. Check out the applied science. Quote
InfiniteNow Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 There are many ways to induce cancers in the rat, and it depends on what is being studied. Sometimes you can just alter their cells with some enzymes causing them to split differently. Other times you can implant a chip or some sort electrode, or even a radioactive chemical to an area to cause the cancer. Again, it depends on what they are studying and why. There's no one single path to cancer in lab rats, but injection is another common approach that may be easier to wrap your head around. Somewhere like American Type Culture Collection may be a good place to look. They are a national repository for cancer cell lines, and you can probably get some of your questions answered there. If you wish to do research like this on your own, note that you will need also a Biosafety Level 2 Lab to prevent contamination in your study's cell lines. EDIT: I forgot inhalation, like for testing smoke and asbestos. Quote
maikeru Posted July 9, 2008 Report Posted July 9, 2008 Stumbling over a news story on animal testing (which I whole-heartedly endorse, not that anyone cares ;P) I was wondering this: if you want to test cancer treatments on rats, first you have to have rats with cancer. How do scientists go about this? It depends on the type of cancer(s) the scientists or researchers want to induce and study in the rats. Different types of exposure to toxins, carcinogens, or radiative forms of energy (UV, x rays, gamma rays, etc.) induce different types of cancers or multiple cancers. Say I want to study a skin cancer, like melanoma, in rats. First, I might shave a selected area on the rats, like their backs, or pick a hairless rat strain, and simply expose them to large amounts of UV radiation from a UV lamp. Of course, they need to be divided into proper control and experimental groups and the usual considerations when designing a good experiment. Do they just screen large rat populations and pick out those specimens that naturally developed cancer? Usually not. Sometimes certain carcinogenic or teratogenic chemicals or methods are included to increase DNA damage, mutation, or transformation of desired cells into cancer. One example might be rubbing benzene, a known and highly toxic carcinogen, onto a rat's skin and then exposing it to UV rays afterward. While benzene can and probably will induce cell transformation on its own, combining it with UV will make the effect much more potent, and resultant damage to cells much, much worse, leading to a higher (and probably guaranteed) rate of cell transformation in the test animals. Do they have some ways of inducing cancer in rats? Radiation? Do they make the rats smoke a lot? ;P Rats prefer Cuban cigars to be honest. :) Anyway, depends on what kind and how you want to induce what cancer. Cancer is a broad term for a spectrum of diseases that involve aberrant and usually immortal, malignant body cells. It can be caused by DNA damage, faulty enzymes or proteins, faulty control of enzymes or certain proteins, faulty DNA controls but little or no damage to the actual DNA (like improper methylation or silencing of critical genes), or improper stimulus to certain cells so that they grow and do not die when they should. I googled a little, but with no results. I'm very curious about this--does anyone know? If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. Quote
DanielZKlein Posted July 8, 2010 Author Report Posted July 8, 2010 It seems I never said thank you for your very thorough and enlightening answers. Oops. Thank you! I was asking really just out of burning curiosity, not because I wanted to go out and give some rats cancer. I'm not THAT kind of super-villain. So, uh, thank you very much, and /thread Quote
maikeru Posted July 8, 2010 Report Posted July 8, 2010 It's been a while, but hope it helped then and now. :D Quote
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