Woo Hoo, LHC is Working

[alexander]

Ok, so this morning i found out that the 27km LHC has ran it's first tests. With many more tests and diagnostics and fixes to come scientists, and myself are anxiously anticipating what this gigantor is going to find, when the testing finishes and researchers can power it up for some smasheroo :).

 

I think its an engineering feat on its own, with 1600 superconducting magnets running at 1.9K and capable of accelerating protons to 7TeV and nearly 99.999999% of the speed of lite (it will handle Lead Ions (Pb) too, at 2.76TeV per nucleon)

 

I get scared about the numbers in a good way and excited about all the possible things that can be found, like higgs boson, supersymmetric particles, strangelets, micro black holes, magnetic monopoles. I am excited about the projects that are going on with the 6 detectors as well.

 

Oh, so why did i bring this here, i actually need some help from you guys, i am tired of assuring people that this is a safe apparatus, and that black holes are not going to consume the planet, assuming we will even be able to create them. Can someone run some numbers showing this plz :hyper:

[Moontanman]

We're doomed dude, I hope you are holding on!:)

 

 

Oh No! Mr. Bill:phones:

[alexander]

hey, i just ran a few numbers, if someone can point out the cause of error, or whether wiki is wrong, that would be nice too...

 

this post i am referring to here... it seems that the energy per beam per bunch would be 864MJ (and i think i used relativity right...), but wiki suggests a number over 100Mj smaller (724) as the energy carried by 2 beams...

 

http://hypography.com/forums/engineering-and-applied-science/16077-large-hadron-collider.html#post236858

 

I'm no expert in physics, especially energy calculation for near c particle collisions...

[alexander]

ok, solved that issue (it was dumb me)

 

http://hypography.com/forums/engineering-and-applied-science/16077-large-hadron-collider.html#post236872

 

Ok, i will pick up from that post on here, because i want to get to the bottom of this, and have one place to reference.

 

ANY input is greatly appreciated, and will be carefully considered :)

 

To reiterate, i have been trying to figure out the total energy on a collision, and what kind of a black hole it could potentially create, and most of all, how long such a hole would take to dwindle away, if it even happened :)

 

Using the sr formula [math]E_k=mc^2(1/\sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)-1)[/math] at 99.999999% of the speed of light, 1.15x10^11 protons would have approximately 122224.711701J of energy totalling at about 244449.423402 J for the collision

 

next come some calculations i have to run with hawking radiation :)

[Tormod]

Has the Large Hadron Collider destroyed the world yet?

[Moontanman]

Has the Large Hadron Collider destroyed the world yet?

 

I just looked outside, it's raining pretty hard but everything seems to be normal.

[buddyzen]

hey guys me and theory posted about this in school today, thank you so much for answering really helped us. we had gotten into a fight with our computer teacher about rips blackhole wormholes the whole shabang of what could happen with LHC lol he pretended like he knew anythign about physics i was just shaking my head the whole time. he tried to say that you could downscale anything no matter what it is. i told him is is so wrong and he shoved it in my face, metaphoricaly of course. he said you can downscale the energy if the mass of what is going to create the blackhole is smaller LOL he obviously knows nothing about science. according to your equation before you need a mass amount of energy to form any sort of rip no matter what size it is. i told him it was common sence that it is still a black whole you need a fricken **** load of energy! lol now i can shove it back in his face ^.^ I am still wondering about micro blackholes though what do those do?

 

 

 

ps. the world is still here

[max4236]

It's pretty cool looking. I was listening on the shortwave radio as they were firing this puppy up doing their countdown. At T-0 my radio picked up this weird hum across 3 entire bands. That wouldn't have been them would it? I'm figuring it was probably my neighbor turning their TV on to watch a late night show.

 

I hope it leads them to a theory where they can make artificial gravity engines. I have the navigation system programmed, and I'm working on the structural design (it's an ever evolving thing), but my ship needs working engines.

 

About the micro black hole thing. I was reading about an experiment the RHIC did in 2005 that created a fireball, possibly there were MBHs made and then evaporating in about 10^-23 seconds. I don't think these things even had a singularity, they just kind of behaved similiarly, scrunching the ion beam through a few extra dimensions or a kink in space-time or something? I think it's like if you could take a spoon and get a taste of what the area near a black hole is like but you're not actually dealing with a real one? Just kind of sniffing the spices. Do you think they could pick up a radio station from a parallel universe?

 

I'd feel a little safer if I knew the two beam speeds were slightly different such that any resulting particles would zip off faster than Earth's escape velocity. Would that mess up the detectors? Like one at 0.99994c and the other .99999c? I don't think they're going to let me fiddle with the controls though..

[buddyzen]

wow that is really interesting i wonder if we can actually learn how to create micro blackholes that would be very strange and spread mass chaos lol finding that the theory of an parralllel universe is correct in my opinion it is pretty amazing though.

[freeztar]

As far as MBHs, I'd be much more concerned about formations of MBHs through Bose-Einstein Condensates. :)

 

Feeding the fish:

LHC Facts Blog Archive Collider Incidents

[buddyzen]

so if i am understanding this right then there is also a high possibility that mbh's may be dangerous too????

[freeztar]

so if i am understanding this right then there is also a high possibility that mbh's may be dangerous too????

 

From my understanding, no. MBHs pose no global threat (assuming Hawking, Einstein, Newton and countless other scientists are correct).

 

But, in all honesty, I'm not qualified to make such a statement. I trust the physicists involved with the project.

[buddyzen]

i hope so i really don't want to loose the universe that would be a slight problem.... lolz

[Thunderbird]

I'm hoping that when the elusive HB particle is detected that it will tap a field of communication to other worlds. A galactic internet DSL server that was just waiting to be taped into. Who knows we may be sending a instant coordinate signal out to other worlds. You know what happens once you give out your e-mail address.

[buddyzen]

that would be totally amazing if that could happen but how would we communicate to see if there is actually life there there is no physical way or if we do we would probably not be able to make contact because it would probably be a lesser life form

[Moontanman]

that would be totally amazing if that could happen but how would we communicate to see if there is actually life there there is no physical way or if we do we would probably not be able to make contact because it would probably be a lesser life form

 

Why would you say it would be a lesser life form? Any intelligence we contact would have to ahead of us to be able to detect our LHC. We couldn't detect theirs.

[modest]

To reiterate, i have been trying to figure out the total energy on a collision, and what kind of a black hole it could potentially create, and most of all, how long such a hole would take to dwindle away, if it even happened :)

 

Solving the Schwarzschild radius,

[math]r_s=\frac{2GM}{c^2}[/math]

for the mass needed to fit inside the radius of a proton in order to make a black hole,

[math]m=\frac{10^{-15}c^2}{2G}[/math]

is 6.7E11 kilograms

 

That's one heavy proton :)

 

~modest