I need you geniouses to help me!!!!!

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Hello;

 

I have a question,

 

How big would an explosion have to be to cause cause a chain reaction that will result in the destruction of our sun.

 

In other words, if an explosion was detonated inside the core of our sun, how large would it have to be to get rid of a large enough central mass to cause a collapse that will abruptly result in a type 1 supernova?????????

 

 

This is for you geniuses!!!

[Moontanman]

Hello;

 

I have a question,

 

How big would an explosion have to be to cause cause a chain reaction that will result in the destruction of our sun.

 

In other words, if an explosion was detonated inside the core of our sun, how large would it have to be to get rid of a large enough central mass to cause a collapse that will abruptly result in a type 1 supernova?????????

 

 

This is for you geniuses!!!

 

Hey, I resemble that name, :shrug: I'm not sure how big the explosion would have to be but since inside the sun there is a continuous nuclear fusion explosion going on all the time I would have to guess any explosion big enough to destroy the sun would have to be an antimatter reaction. I once read that to destroy the earth it would tank an explosion of antimatter/matter equal to two masses of neutronium, one of matter neutronium and one of antimatter neutronium about the size of soccer balls. dropped into the earth when they finally came together at the center of the earth the explosion would release enough energy to overcome the gravitational pull of the Earth and disrupt it completely. The sun being some what more massive than the Earth would require quite a bit more energy to do the same.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Hey, I resemble that name, :shrug:

 

Yes, you do, :naughty:

 

I'm not sure how big the explosion would have to be but since inside the sun there is a continuous nuclear fusion explosion going on all the time I would have to guess any explosion big enough to destroy the sun would have to be an antimatter reaction. I once read that to destroy the earth it would tank an explosion of antimatter/matter equal to two masses of neutronium, one of matter neutronium and one of antimatter neutronium about the size of soccer balls. dropped into the earth when they finally came together at the center of the earth the explosion would release enough energy to overcome the gravitational pull of the Earth and disrupt it completely. The sun being some what more massive than the Earth would require quite a bit more energy to do the same.

 

What I want, is math and numbers, whatever causes it is irrelevant, not to be rude, I meant it in a completely scientific monotone way.

 

If it would take that much power to collapse the Earth, how much then would you say it would take to collapse the sun?

[Moontanman]

Yes, you do, :shrug:

 

 

 

What I want, is math and numbers, whatever causes it is irrelevant, not to be rude, I meant it in a completely scientific monotone way.

 

If it would take that much power to collapse the Earth, how much then would you say it would take to collapse the sun?

 

Explode not collapse, but sorry I am not that smart, maybe someone else can step in and come up with some numbers.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Hey, I resemble that name, :shrug: I'm not sure how big the explosion would have to be but since inside the sun there is a continuous nuclear fusion explosion going on all the time I would have to guess any explosion big enough to destroy the sun would have to be an antimatter reaction. I once read that to destroy the earth it would tank an explosion of antimatter/matter equal to two masses of neutronium, one of matter neutronium and one of antimatter neutronium about the size of soccer balls. dropped into the earth when they finally came together at the center of the earth the explosion would release enough energy to overcome the gravitational pull of the Earth and disrupt it completely. The sun being some what more massive than the Earth would require quite a bit more energy to do the same.

 

What is the atomic number of neutronium?

 

I read that it was found in the center of neutron stars, wouldn't this make it a giant atom, composed of a single atom that is the equivalent to countless atoms fused together, making it have an atomic number of zero....

 

I can't use that for numbers, what percent of the Earth's core that, when extracted, will cause the Earth to collapse?

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Explode not collapse, but sorry I am not that smart, maybe someone else can step in and come up with some numbers.

 

You are that smart, just not trained enough.

 

If neutronium had an atomic and what you say is true, than I could essentially find out the size of this explosion.

 

How long is our solar system?

 

If I knew this, since the sun is 99% of it, I could find out how much volume the fireball would have to be in order to destroy the sun, and divide that by how much smaller the percentage of central mass of the sun is, and figure out how much the size of the explosion in terms of volume.

[Moontanman]

You are that smart, just not trained enough.

 

If neutronium had an atomic and what you say is true, than I could essentially find out the size of this explosion.

 

Neutronium has no atomic number it consists of a mass of neutrons, very dense, tons per cubic centimeter.

 

How long is our solar system?

 

How heavy is black? What do you mean how long is the solar system? Some would say the sun's gravitational influence stretches almost half way to the next star. 100,000 AU

 

If I knew this, since the sun is 99% of it, I could find out how much volume the fireball would have to be in order to destroy the sun, and divide that by how much smaller the percentage of central mass of the sun is, and figure out how much the size of the explosion in terms of volume.

 

Again what do you mean how long is the solar system?

[Moontanman]

What is the atomic number of neutronium?

 

I read that it was found in the center of neutron stars, wouldn't this make it a giant atom, composed of a single atom that is the equivalent to countless atoms fused together, making it have an atomic number of zero....

 

I can't use that for numbers, what percent of the Earth's core that, when extracted, will cause the Earth to collapse?

 

Do want to explode or collapse the Earth, any amount of mass would cause some collapse, the more you removed the more it would collapse.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Do want to explode or collapse the Earth, any amount of mass would cause some collapse, the more you removed the more it would collapse.

 

Okay, I want to know a number of things;

 

How much mass would you have to remove from the nucleus (core) of the sun for it to collapse to the point where the magnitude of fusion would cause the smallest Supernova possible to occur.

 

By supernova I mean the expulsion of the shell from the collapsing core of the sun, this core will collapse into a white dwarf, and the shell of the pre-existing sun will become a nebula.

 

And finally, how big would an explosion have to be to remove this much mass from the core?

[Moontanman]

Okay, I want to know a number of things;

 

How much mass would you have to remove from the nucleus (core) of the sun for it to collapse to the point where the magnitude of fusion would cause the smallest Supernova possible to occur.

 

By supernova I mean the expulsion of the shell from the collapsing core of the sun, this core will collapse into a white dwarf, and the shell of the pre-existing sun will become a nebula.

 

And finally, how big would an explosion have to be to remove this much mass from the core?

 

I want to know how to build a faster than light star ship, I don't think there is anyone capable of giving either of us the specific information on how to do either of these things. both of us are asking far too broad a question about things that are not that well known. I am sure there is an amount of mass that is suddenly removed from the sun would cause it's destruction in some way but how to remove that mass is the real $64,000 question.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

I want to know how to build a faster than light star ship, I don't think there is anyone capable of giving either of us the specific information on how to do either of these things. both of us are asking far too broad a question about things that are not that well known. I am sure there is an amount of mass that is suddenly removed from the sun would cause it's destruction in some way but how to remove that mass is the real $64,000 question.

 

No no no, I don't have a plan for destruction, I'm just curious, how big of an explosion?

[Roadam]

Well you would probably need somewhere of 40*10^40J of energy to blow away all the mass with the escape velocity of the sun. But with guessing that fusion explosions are already making some pressure, maybe half of that. Well that way you would make a new solar cloud.

 

But to undergo supernova... Probably if one would be able to compress the core so that carbon at the core would undergo simultanious fusion...

[HydrogenBond]

What might limit the rate of the fusion reaction, within the solar core, is the diffusion of fuel into the core. We have gravity putting the squeeze on matter keeping the flame burning, with larger atoms forming and then sinking and trying to collect near the core. The sun gets most of its energy from hydrogen which has to squeeze and diffuse through this phase of heavier atoms. It makes a good radiation shield keeping the fusion more contained.

 

The heat output of fusion is fluffing this shield up, but it keeps getting thicker. The solar flares and sun spots could reflect this diffusion barrier as it cracks and seals; fuel surges and fuel choke. All we may have to do is punch a few key holes in the shell for a fuel surge. The fusion surge will help disrupt more of shell into turbulence, causing another even stronger fuel surge, etc. This could result in the sun expanding into a mini nova state. It may only require a couple of grapes of anti-matter placed at the correct spots.

[maddog]

Hello;

 

I have a question,

 

How big would an explosion have to be to cause cause a chain reaction that will result in the destruction of our sun.

 

In other words, if an explosion was detonated inside the core of our sun, how large would it have to be to get rid of a large enough central mass to cause a collapse that will abruptly result in a type 1 supernova?????????

 

 

This is for you geniuses!!!

Our particular Sun is too light by a factor of roughly two to actually go Supernova by itself naturally (in a few billion years).

 

With [help] depending on what the input energy varies.

 

What drives repulsion by gravity is fusion processes at the core. Were

you able to create the dominant process to be the creation of Iron from

Silicon, Sodium and the like (Late star processes) and you had enough of

these products at the core, you could get supernova explosion. That

pressure and temperature for those processes won't happen with star less

than 2 solar masses.

 

The photospere of a star is opaque to radiation so photons are out. A star

is a natural emitter of nuetrinos so that is out. If there was some process

that could transfer a lot of energy (say 10^9 J/m^3 per sec) directly to

the core, you could interrupt those nuclear processes to enhance implosion.

 

I personally can't think of a process. Even high energy partical beam of

anitmatter fired at our sun would still have to traverse the photospere.

 

Unless,... I just thought of something. Particle beam of very high energy

antimatter nucleus of say anti-lead moving at .9999999999999 c might just

penetrate the suns core before anihilation. Then you could get a major

explosion. Maybe. Try a beam 100 kg/sec.

 

maddog

[modest]

How much mass would you have to remove from the nucleus (core) of the sun for it to collapse to the point where the magnitude of fusion would cause the smallest Supernova possible to occur.

 

I agree with maddog. You have misunderstood how a supernova is triggered and how it works. Removing mass from the Sun is not going to make a supernova. Check out wikipedia's article:

 

Supernova - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

~modest

[CraigD]

The only serious scientific speculation about blowing up a star I’ve every encountered came from the science advisor’s (physicist and all-round intensely cool person Brian Cox) commentary track to the 2007 scifi thriller “Sunshine”, a movie so appallingly awful I actually sat though a commentary track just to see what sort of excuses its science advisor would make. Mostly, Cox explains how the film is entertainment, not science. Its plot is that the Sun has suddenly begun to dim, and an expedition from Earth is seeking to “reignite” it with “a nuclear bomb the size of Manhattan”. Though the explanation never appears in the movie, Cox explains that he actually had a tentative one worked out: The Sun has been struck by a strangelet, which has begun converting it into strange matter – a huge mass of up, down, and strange quarks some hypothesize could exist. The linked wikipedia article’s “dangers” section summarizes this scenario. The gigantic bomb, Cox explains, is intended to eject the strange matter from the Sun before it grows to large – how, he admits to having not much of an idea, but a vague explanation is better than none at all, we suppose.

 

As other have noted, causing the sun to become a type Ia supernova would require adding mass to it, not removing mass or blowing it up. However, like any celestial body, the Sun has mass and radius, so, as we did with Earth in 1810 we can calculate its gravitational binding energy. It works out to about [math]2 \times 10^{41} \,\mbox{J}[/math], more energy than a puny Earthling has any business talking about, but since I already am, we can divide that by [math]c^2[/math] to get a mass equivalent of about [math]2 \times 10^{24} \,\mbox{kg}[/math]. So, if you had a mass of antimatter half this mass – about the mass of Mars and Mercury combined – and contrived to drop it into the Sun and have it annihilate with an equal mass of ordinary matter, you’d in principle have enough energy to scatter the sun permanently into space.

 

There are likely ways short of blowing it up or converting it into a strangelet to make the Sun behave in ways most people would consider a form of “destroyed”, such as fiddle with its magnetic field to greatly increase or decrease its output. All of them involve pretty far-out super space engineering, and are of more than passing interest in this very speculative scientific (or arguably entirely SF) discipline, since such a scheme might provide a means of using a star as a rocket motor.

[Nitack]

Que FBI...

 

We have a group of science geeks teaching a terrorist how to blow up the sun/earth/whatever....

 

With out accusing anyone of anything... wasn't Gardamorg also trying to find out how to me a real Star Wars esk lightsaber?