JulianKeller Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 If apart of us biologically perceives, and another part inputs the perception. What is the part of us that perceives the perception? From a biological point of view. I'm kind of tired of people telling me it's their higher self, god self, over soul, spirit, mind, ka, ki, incredible hulk, that's all too weird for me. I just want to know a biological component that is the thing that perceives perception. Quote
belovelife Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 we havn't found what is called "the observer" yetbasically the whole beingall the brain and nervous systemalthought who knowsall i know is that we havn't found the observer yet Quote
Galapagos Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 You may find the work of Dan Dennett interesting, JulianKeller: Cartesian theater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cartesian materialism is the view that there is a crucial finish line or boundary somewhere in the brain, marking a place where the order of arrival equals the order of "presentation" in experience because what happens there is what you are conscious of. [...] Many theorists would insist that they have explicitly rejected such an obviously bad idea. But [...] the persuasive imagery of the Cartesian Theater keeps coming back to haunt us — laypeople and scientists alike — even after its ghostly dualism has been denounced and exorcized. This paper of his utilizing the brain in a vat thought experiment is quite interesting, and pertains to the topic of "the self":Where Am I? - by Dan Dennett You can read about Dennett's model of consciousness here, on a page he and another professor personally wrote/maintain: Multiple drafts model - Scholarpedia You were asking about sensation, or qualitative experience in another thread... Dennett has an interesting opinion on this topic as well: Qualia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuining Qualia- by Dan Dennett Many of his explanations are counter-intuitive, so read carefully. I find his arguments to be compelling, and his writing style to be entertaining. Quote
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