Matter and antimatter interaction

[Rade]

I posted this at another science site, and the response was abusive, so I try my luck here.

First, let me explain, what I ask below is predicted to be "POSSIBLE" by a new physics model, yet it is "IMPOSSIBLE" (as far as I know) to be explained mathematically. So, if I at least could have someone show mathematically why it not possible, then perhaps I could request a slight modification based on different understanding of the type of interaction involved.

 

So, my question is:

 

Does anyone know the mathematics that would explain how a matter helium-3 isotope with neutron picture [PNP] and 9-quark bag picture [[uud-ddu-uud] could form a "stable bound state" (WITH NO ANNIHILATION--that is, all 15 quarks remain in stable quantum superposition) with antimatter antideuteron [N^P^]--,where I use ^=antimatter and [N^P^] is 6-quark bag [d^d^u^-u^u^d^] ?

 

So, at quark level the interaction I wish to show mathematically how a quantum stable state can result, with all 15 quarks remain, is:

 

[uud-ddu-uud] + [d^d^u^-u^u^d^]

 

My prediction is that the mathematics solution will yield what is known as the proton, with up & down valance quarks, and up & down matter and antimatter quarks coexisting within the proton sea.

 

Please, do not reply that the matter and antimatter quarks will annihilate--that is the point of the problem--we assume there is no annihilation and work out the mathematics under this first assumption to see mathematical solution. Perhaps I just ask goofy question--let me know that also.

 

Any comments appreciated.

[maddog]

I won't state "possible" or "impossible" just yet, as I don't quite understand. You're 3rd

paragraph first starts off with Helium-3 and 9-quarks & then you jump to 15-quarks ???

 

I lost track somewhere.

 

Just to update you one some results (last fall) at Brookhaven: they did see one collision

where the resultant particle could only be explained as a Petaquark (5-quarks bound together).

 

Mesons rules dictate (a particle/antiparticle pair -- just not the same one).

Baryon rules dictate (3 quarks: 2 quarks + 1 antiquark -- just so charge is integral).

 

For higher levels of quark pairing (stable or not) some kind rules must apply.

 

Integral charge is likely one. No member of pairing can have it's antiparticle present is

likely another.

 

Using Brookhaven's results and speculate the following:

 

That Mesons can be in general of even number: 2, 4, 6, ...

Baryons can in general of odd number: 3, 5, 7, 9, ...

 

So a theoretical 15-quark is at least in this way potentially viable. There may be other

things from preventing higher order Baryons though (especially something I am not aware). I would think thought that Any quark pairing higher than 3 is likely to be Very

Unstable (aka as the Petaquark found by Brookhaven).

 

maddog

[Rade]

Thanks for comments Maddog,

 

Your question about where do the 15 quarks come from--it is just the total of the proposed matter+antimatter interactions---- [uud-ddu-uud] + [d^d^u^-u^u^d^]

 

Your comment about the Brookhaven experiment, showing that one outcome could only be explained as a 5-quark bag, the pentaquark {qqqqq}, is perhaps a solution to my problem. For example, as a first assumption, let us assume, just as a single quark {q} is not known possible, that a 3-bag quark structure {qqq} cannot by itself be stable, that is, that 'bags" of quarks must at least come in pairs, so at minimum must be present as [{qqq} + {qqq}]. But of course other possibilities such as three 3-bags joined together, perhaps four or more. Next, let us assume these multiple bags are united as a type of what John Wheeler in 1937 called a 'resonating group structure' (see J. A. Wheeler, 1937, Phys. Rev. 52:, 1083 and 1107).

 

So, back to my OP problem, applying the Wheeler concept of the resonating group structure we can see that the 15 total quark interaction, to form a stable state is the hypothesis of the OP:

 

[uud-ddu-uud] + [d^d^u^-u^u^d^] = stable nucleon structure

 

"perhaps" (?--this is my question then) can be viewed as two interacting Wheeler "groups", each with their own wave function, one a 9-quark bag matter group, and the second a 6-quark bag antimatter group ? It seems to make sense that this is physically possible, and not in opposition to quantum theory, but I have no idea--that is why I ask. Does this make sense to you ? Where do I not get the facts correct about Wheeler hypothesis and possible application to quark bags ?

 

So, to take this conversation one step forward. Would it make sense then to apply Dirac relativistic quantum mathematical approach to the problem of how to form stable coexistent between a 9-quark matter bag (as a Wheeler resonating group structure) with a 6-quark bag of antimatter--as I present in the problem ? I have no idea--but if not possible, could someone please indicate why.

 

Maddog, I really appreciate that, unlike other so-called science forums, you not treat me as a fool and provide insult in response to a valid question, but where I am foolish in my understanding of basic physics that I do need to know.

 

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ps/ It should be clear that the problem I suggest--that is, interaction of helium-3 with antimatter deuterium is not outside possible future experimentation, perhaps at CERN. As far as I know, this possible interaction, at different levels of energy and confinement, has not been done--but this does not mean it cannot be done. Someday CERN may have access to antimatter deuterium, and of course helium-3 now available and used. So, what I am trying to do here, for some is backwards science, but, what if in the future the experiment is done and the result reported is that at some energy the result is a proton (uud) with no release of energy ?! Well, that is exactly what is predicted as a possible outcome of a stable coexistence of:

 

[uud-ddu-uud] + [d^d^u^-u^u^d^] = stable nucleon structure

 

So, yes, I ask for backward science thinking, because if CERN was to report such an outcome, it would then require a mathematically explanation--so, I look to have the mathematics all ready to go. And one approach to the problem may be looking at the solution as "interactions of quark bags" and not "interactions of individual quarks" via Dirac relativistic mathematical approach to Wheeler resonating group structure physical entities. I think also may ? come into play the interaction of matter having positive energy density with antimatter having negative energy density, because as far as I understand the situation, when these two meet, both should disappear without release of energy as normally predicted when matter interacts with antimatter.