Watch this,.. its amazing

[Thunderbird]

Perez Hilton: Susan Boyle!!!!!!!!

[modest]

Still my favorite britain's got talent pleasant surprise:

 

YouTube - Paul sings Nessun Dorma high quality video/sound widescreen 16:9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA

 

 

~modest

[Cedars]

I just heard about it on NBC news so I found it on youtube. Wow. She put all of the skeptics in their place with the first line of song. Rolled that crowd over but fast.

 

I hope the old broad takes the gold!

[freeztar]

I guess I'm missing something. Is it that I don't know the singer she referenced? Is it because everyone thought she was an old and unemployed woman and they did not expect her to sing good for those reasons, and that makes her "amazing"? If it's the latter case (which is the impression I got), then I'm quite sad about our collective, subjective views of "book covers". What about Arethra Franklin and Ella Fitzgerald? What about...(I'm not going to exhaustively list old and/or bereft woman singers, but you get the point)

 

She's definitely a good singer, but I'm not sure why there's such a hoopla.

 

Maybe I'm just too critical. :evil:

[Cedars]

I guess I'm missing something. Is it that I don't know the singer she referenced? Is it because everyone thought she was an old and unemployed woman and they did not expect her to sing good for those reasons, and that makes her "amazing"? If it's the latter case (which is the impression I got), then I'm quite sad about our collective, subjective views of "book covers". What about Arethra Franklin and Ella Fitzgerald? What about...(I'm not going to exhaustively list old and/or bereft woman singers, but you get the point)

 

She's definitely a good singer, but I'm not sure why there's such a hoopla.

 

Maybe I'm just too critical. :evil:

 

I suppose you didnt understand the hoopla around Lake Placid and the US hockey team. Wait, were you even born yet? :hihi:

 

Both singers you mentioned made their debut/signed recording deals before they were 20.

 

Didnt you listen to the comments afterwards? Yes, part of it was the skepticism of the crowd, judges etc as they watch this commoner walk out onstage and blow them off their feet with a rendition of a song. Did you listen to the words of the song? One of the you-tube links allows you to show the lyrics.

 

What you watched was art Freezee. A woman whos painted picture changed the whole picture with the addition of her music.

[Thunderbird]

Still my favorite britain's got talent pleasant surprise:

 

 

 

:evil:

 

~modest

 

Puccini by Pavarotti is one top three favorite songs. Wow ! unbelievable. Thanks for that one Modest.

[modest]

Sure thing Thunderbird. Probably the most famous,

 

YouTube - Andrew Johnston on Britain's Got Talent 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Q9Ckra6vY

 

The kid went on to release an album that debuted at #4 on the charts in the UK. Heartwarming.

 

Is it because everyone thought she was an old and unemployed woman and they did not expect her to sing good for those reasons, and that makes her "amazing"?

 

Exactly the opposite. Everyone knows it's near-impossible to become a pop star if you don't have the cookie cutter looks and personality. We all know it's nothing to do with talent which is what makes these stories so appealing. It's like all the classic 80's movies where the geek who nobody gives a chance but is really a lovable character ends up getting the girl—guaranteed to yank hard on the old heartstrings.

 

~modest

[freeztar]

I suppose you didnt understand the hoopla around Lake Placid and the US hockey team. Wait, were you even born yet? ;)

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Relevance?

Both singers you mentioned made their debut/signed recording deals before they were 20.

Top of the head picks and probably not the best ones to pick. The point I was trying to make (which was poorly executed I agree) is that old people and poor people can sing just as well as any other.

 

Didnt you listen to the comments afterwards? Yes, part of it was the skepticism of the crowd, judges etc as they watch this commoner walk out onstage and blow them off their feet with a rendition of a song. Did you listen to the words of the song? One of the you-tube links allows you to show the lyrics.

I watched the whole clip. Don't get me wrong, she can sing. I just don't understand the standing ovations and appeal to underdog that seems to be taking place. Note: I do not follow or even watch American Idol etc.

 

What you watched was art Freezee. A woman whos painted picture changed the whole picture with the addition of her music.

 

I agree.

[Cedars]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Relevance?

The relevance is no one gave the US hockey team a chance. and if you really listened to Susan Boyle, she said she always wanted to be a singer, no one gave her a chance.

Top of the head picks and probably not the best ones to pick. The point I was trying to make (which was poorly executed I agree) is that old people and poor people can sing just as well as any other.

Not good points but you cling to them anyways. So, lets carry on. Poor? Really? Aretha Franklin was not poor. Look it up. Before she was even 10 years old "Reverend Franklin (her father) assumed the pulpit of the 4,500 seat New Bethel Baptist Church at Linwood and Philadelphia on the city's West Side and gained national fame as a preacher. Aretha recorded her first album at 14.

 

Ella had some trouble. From Wiki:

"At one point, she worked as a lookout at a bordello and also with a Mafia-affiliated numbers runner. After getting into trouble with the police, she was taken into custody and sent to a reform school. Eventually she escaped from the reformatory, and for a time was homeless." *note, its not uncommon to find yourself homeless when your on the lam.

 

She made her singing debut at 17 on November 21, 1934 at the Harlem Opera House in Harlem, New York.

 

I am old and poor, but I cant sing. So back to your first post:

....then I'm quite sad about our collective, subjective views of "book covers".

;)

 

I watched the whole clip. Don't get me wrong, she can sing. I just don't understand the standing ovations and appeal to underdog that seems to be taking place. Note: I do not follow or even watch American Idol etc.

Not many in America watched Susan Boyle perform. It was on British TV Freezee! And it wasnt American Idol, it was Britains Got Talent 2009, after Americans got talent. Different show.

I mean did you really watch the clip or just listened 'till the fat lady sang? :shrug:

 

Heres a link with less pink. Maybe it was the pink background that threw ya. Try it again. Its ART freezeee, its ART!

 

Click the title on the embed below. Dang thing didnt work right.

 

YouTube - Susan Boyle - Singer - Britains Got Talent 2009 (With Lyrics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY

[freeztar]

Not good points but you cling to them anyways. So, lets carry on. Poor? Really? Aretha Franklin was not poor. Look it up. Before she was even 10 years old "Reverend Franklin (her father) assumed the pulpit of the 4,500 seat New Bethel Baptist Church at Linwood and Philadelphia on the city's West Side and gained national fame as a preacher. Aretha recorded her first album at 14.

 

Ella had some trouble. From Wiki:

"At one point, she worked as a lookout at a bordello and also with a Mafia-affiliated numbers runner. After getting into trouble with the police, she was taken into custody and sent to a reform school. Eventually she escaped from the reformatory, and for a time was homeless." *note, its not uncommon to find yourself homeless when your on the lam.

 

She made her singing debut at 17 on November 21, 1934 at the Harlem Opera House in Harlem, New York.

 

I already said that I used bad examples. I'm not sure why you continue to harp on it.

I am old and poor, but I cant sing. So back to your first post:

:eek:

I didn't say every old and poor person can sing. You're being obtuse Cedars.

Not many in America watched Susan Boyle perform. It was on British TV Freezee! And it wasnt American Idol, it was Britains Got Talent 2009, after Americans got talent. Different show.

 

I know all this. ;)

I mean did you really watch the clip or just listened 'till the fat lady sang?

 

I mean did you really read my last post.

Heres a link with less pink. Maybe it was the pink background that threw ya. Try it again. Its ART freezeee, its ART!

I've already agreed with you on this, but since you insist on disagreement I'll point out that art is completely subjective. You call it potato, I can call it not art.

 

Click the title on the embed below. Dang thing didnt work right.

 

YouTube - Susan Boyle - Singer - Britains Got Talent 2009 (With Lyrics)

 

Right. Maybe if I watch it over and over, I'll change my mind. :shrug:

[Jimoin]

You're being obtuse Cedars.

 

Seemingly though, you are too. ;)

 

The majority of people find this heartwarming & inspirational to watch. That a lot of people might not is fine, but you actually posted about your lack of endearment which attracted the criticism I think.

[freeztar]

Perhaps you misunderstand, Jimoin. I'm not being critical of the music. I'm being critical of the crowd reaction (laughing). Besides being very rude to the performer, it shows the human characteristic of pre-judgment. I was just trying to gain some insight into this, but since I've unintentionally created misconceptions and debate, I'll bow out now...

[Cedars]

I didn't say every old and poor person can sing. You're being obtuse Cedars.

No I wasnt being obtuse and I dont appreciate the implication.

 

There was no comparison to Aretha or Ella and I pointed that out. So you switched gears and implied it had to do with poverty. I didnt assume Aretha or Ella were 'po people, you did. Book by its cover? Your choice of words. Sorry state of the crowd? Your no better.

 

You sure you applied the word obtuse to the correct person in this thread?

[Jimoin]

Debate is good, I think it helps everyone understand why we feel what we feel better :)

 

By saying you don't watch American Idol, perhaps it's also safe to assume you don't or haven't seen many of these whole shows either, so perhaps this is the link you're missing.

 

A large volume of these acts that come on the show are a total joke, they have *no* talent, quite often make people laugh and ponder if they are having a joke at everyones expense or not.

 

Sometimes contestants are having a joke (i.e. they know they are terrible), but often you'll get someone that quite frankly, doesn't look like a performer at all (like that lady) and are genuinly on the show to display what they think is top quality talent - but it isn't, it's often so bad it's funny.

 

People that watch the show often get as much entertainment out of the failures. It's almost sad to say (and I know this is the bit your pointing out I suppose) but when you see someone like her come on, a little crazy, poorly presented etc, you expect a failure. It's like any clip on funniest home videos, you can usually see what's going to happen & that's half the fun.

 

So... the fact that she seemingly is an awesome singer goes against all that usually happens, it's a surprise and it *does* make us question our presumptions, in a good way. While it did warm my heart, there was an overwhelming sadness that somoene of her talent has been locked away for 47 years because she either looks funny, is shy or never had the chance.

 

It seems she's due for a record contract now - 12million views on Youtube!

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/web/2009/04/17/1239475033673.html

[freeztar]

I guess I can't bow out yet. :)

 

Since this was the second mention of my use of obtuse, I decided to look it up to make sure I was using it correctly. It appears I was mistaken in thinking that this word had a additional definition that it indeed does not. So, my deepest apologies, Cedars. I certainly did not mean to imply that at all. :(

I think I was looking for something along the lines of "you're misrepresenting what I said". I don't know why I didn't just say that. Looks like I am indeed the obtuse one.

[freeztar]

Debate is good, I think it helps everyone understand why we feel what we feel better :)

 

I agree. :(

By saying you don't watch American Idol, perhaps it's also safe to assume you don't or haven't seen many of these whole shows either, so perhaps this is the link you're missing.

 

A large volume of these acts that come on the show are a total joke, they have *no* talent, quite often make people laugh and ponder if they are having a joke at everyones expense or not.

 

Sometimes contestants are having a joke (i.e. they know they are terrible), but often you'll get someone that quite frankly, doesn't look like a performer at all (like that lady) and are genuinly on the show to display what they think is top quality talent - but it isn't, it's often so bad it's funny.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I do know about the joke aspects of the show, but I guess I didn't think about it. Most of the times I have watched the show, it was a finale or season ending show.

 

People that watch the show often get as much entertainment out of the failures. It's almost sad to say (and I know this is the bit your pointing out I suppose)

 

Exactly.

 

but when you see someone like her come on, a little crazy, poorly presented etc, you expect a failure. It's like any clip on funniest home videos, you can usually see what's going to happen & that's half the fun.

 

So... the fact that she seemingly is an awesome singer goes against all that usually happens, it's a surprise and it *does* make us question our presumptions, in a good way. While it did warm my heart, there was an overwhelming sadness that somoene of her talent has been locked away for 47 years because she either looks funny, is shy or never had the chance.

Indeed. I guess it just gets to me sometimes. I didn't laugh before she started. I couldn't imagine being that disrespectful prior to giving someone a chance. Perhaps it's because I'm a musician. Perhaps it's because I didn't have the "crowd mentality" when watching. I'm not sure, but in any case I found it disturbing.

I think you're right that it makes us question our assumptions, which is a good thing. I'd argue that when our assumptions are challenged so drastically, we often ascribe more significance to such events. Do you agree?

 

It seems she's due for a record contract now - 12million views on Youtube!

 

Singing Scottish spinster a global sensation - web - Technology - smh.com.au

Good for her! :)

[Cedars]

I guess I can't bow out yet. :)

 

Since this was the second mention of my use of obtuse, I decided to look it up to make sure I was using it correctly. It appears I was mistaken in thinking that this word had a additional definition that it indeed does not. So, my deepest apologies, Cedars. I certainly did not mean to imply that at all. :(

I think I was looking for something along the lines of "you're misrepresenting what I said". I don't know why I didn't just say that. Looks like I am indeed the obtuse one.

 

I am truly grateful that it was a misapplication of the word. Text makes it easy to mis-interpret meaning. Thats why I tried to use the smilies and such to indicate my text was meant light-heartedly.

 

When I saw your first post, I thought you were just taking that position to exercise the con pov. I almost didnt respond to it, but thought, what the heck.

 

Wow, did this blow up in both our faces. Freezee If I made you get defensive I apologize. Lets carry on with discussion and keep trying to communicate.

 

OK. Back to the show.