The new Star Trek movie.

[Moontanman]

Thread contains spoilers

 

 

The new Star Trek movie is a big disappointment, the "special" effects do not live up to the term special in anyway. The inside of the Star Ship looks like the set is an abandoned chemical manufacturing plant from the 1960's. The front view screen is a window! A window? The pseudoscience and technobabble has little or no resemblance to established Star Trek canon nor is it even internally consistent within the movie. Star Trek has over the years, series, and movies tried to be as scientifically accurate as it could within the confines of the idea of FTL and other impossible things but this movie makes no effort to do this what so ever. It might as well be a fancy Flash Gordon set. So much star Trek canon was ignored, and added to that science so far from any semblance of reality I don't think the label Star Trek should be applied to this movie. It's a sad movie, made by people with absolutely no idea of or respect for what Star Trek was or has been evolving into. Rura Penthe yawns for everyone involved in this flim....

[Pyrotex]

To some extent, I have to agree with the MooMan.

I was able to ignore much of these inconsistencies during the movie itself, and I must say I enjoyed it.

However, afterwards I realized that the movie makers had commited an unspeakable crime against the Star Trek canon. The initial "time travel" event that killed Kirk's father, and led to the destruction of Vulcan, totally wipes out ALL the Star Trek canon!!!!!! :confused:

 

None of the original or ST/TNG episodes EVER HAPPENED now!!

 

That's the part that really saddens me.

 

But I did enjoy meeting Scotty, Uruhu, Spok, Kirk and the others when they were still in their twenties. Such a fun bunch of horny kids.

[Moontanman]

I have to say the story line didn't bother me as much as the silliness and inconsistency of the overall back round of the movie. The idea of changing the time line is an ingenious way to restart the Star Trek story but if they can't do the technology any better I really don't think Star Trek fans will go for it at all. TV shows have better special effects and more consistent pseudoscience than this drivel. The Enterprise being built on the ground, in Iowa? A window instead of a view screen? An outdated manufacturing plant as the innards of the Enterprise? Red matter? Spock having sex with Uhura? To the credit of the movie, i thought the new version of Romulans were cool, the non human aliens were not bad, Star Wars always had an advantage over Star Trek in that way, nice to see Star Trek catching up. The portrayal of the young crew members was good, except for Spock being emotional. I thought the script as fair but the directing sucked. The idea of jumping to warp from a dead start should not have been part of Star Trek at this point in the time line no matter who had changed. All in all this film was very amateur and will have a negative effect on the future of Star Trek as movies or TV series.

[Janus]

The portrayal of the young crew members was good, except for Spock being emotional.

 

Actually, the emotion shown by Spock isn't really that off base, even according to ST canon. In the TOS episode "The Menagerie", there are scenes that have Spock, while under the command of Pike, as showing emotion. (smiling at the strange plants for instance.)

 

While the "real" reason is that those scenes are taken from the original pilot, "The Cage", and at that time Spock's non-emotional nature had not yet been established, in the Star Trek reality, the explanation is that during the time he hadn't reigned in his emotions as tightly as he would later.

[modest]

What the hell! :)

 

Like the original motion picture, I'm just going to pretend that wasn't a star trek movie. Or, maybe take it as fan fiction. Yeah, that was J.J. Abrams' personal fan fiction. :hyper:

 

Destroying Vulcan? Honestly? In what parallel universe or alternate timeline is that an acceptable prequel? I want my money back!

 

~modest :lol:

[sanctus]

Having seen only a few episodes of the series and all ovies but years back I actually enjoyed this movie. But, I trust you guys.

 

Anyway, what about the blackhole created by Saturn?

[Janus]

What the hell! ;)

 

Or, maybe take it as fan fiction. Yeah, that was J.J. Abrams' personal fan fiction. ;)

 

 

Nope, can't do that. Fan fiction has a definite format:

 

1. It contains a character which is a thinly veiled version of the author.

 

2. If the author is female, the character either seduces or is seduced by Kirk or Spock (In the case of Spock, there may or may not be a convenient case of Pon-Far.)

 

3. If the author is male, the character ultimately saves the day by either out-Kirking Kirk or out-Spocking Spock (generally the later). The seduction of, or by Janice Rand or Uhura(or both) is optional.

 

Sometimes you run across the variation where the female character saves the day and then is seduced by, or seduces Kirk or Spock.

 

There is a fourth variation (usually written, again, by women for some reason) which just involves Kirk, Spock, and generally, an inconvenient case of Pon-Far.

( I've never actually seen any of the 4th variation, but its existence is infamous.)

[Moontanman]

Oh like Kirk is hard to seduce, scales and fangs? Hold it down Spock! The devil in this case is really in the details, the window instead of a view screen was a glaring error in any time line and they all went down hill from there. I guess and used to the technobabble and pseudoscience making sense in it's own weird way . In this case it totally let me down.

[freeztar]

I could have saved you guys some money if you would have just asked. ;)

I saw the preview 2 weeks ago and I was shocked and decided I wouldn't be going to see it anytime soon. It's really a shame. ;)

 

I'll see it when it comes out on video, but no sense in spending 3 times the money to see it in the theater.

[Moontanman]

I wish i had gone to you freezy, i wonder if the director purposely ignored any input from real Star Trek fans or maybe tried his best to ruin the whole Star Trek franchise, of course he directs the TV show lost so what can you expect?

[Janus]

I don't Know, maybe I just more forgiving then you guys are. But then I went into this movie knowing that it was a re-boot, and was pleasantly surprised that they kept as much as they did. And mind you, I'm a Trek fan from waaay back. I lived through the "barren" years, when there was nothing but reruns of TOS. And even then, I lived out in the boondocks and couldn't pick up a station that showed them, and had to get my Trek fix by reading the Blish adaptations as they came out. I knew that there were such things as Star Trek conventions, but they might as well been on Vulcan for all the chance I had of getting to one.

[Moontanman]

One more thing about the director (or writers, I'm not sure which) being in charge of the TV show Lost. Lost is centered around time travel and or alternate realities and has had some episodes where going back in time and changing or attempting to change the future was the idea. So his direction and or writing is somewhat less than original to begin with.

 

Where are Brannon Braga and Rick Berman when you need them!

[Zythryn]

Wow, I am really rather surprised to see the reviews here.

I loved it, every bit of it.

I was bouncing off the walls on my way out just thinking of the possibilities they have now for movies or even a new series (dare I hope).

I am going again this weekend if not sooner.

I loved the way they threaded in so many aspects of the Trek universe we all knew.

I loved the way they explained little and big discrepancies within the plot, instead of trying to copy the history and characters exactly, and failing (how could they do so perfectly).

I LOVE the fact that in the end they didn't 'fix' the timeline, leading to so many fresh possibilities.

I am thrilled they gave the ship a new look.

I really enjoyed the special affects, I am not sure where they were sub-par. The shooting style (chaotic, jumping around) is not my preference, but it didn't destroy the movie for me.

The spock-uhura thing is a bit of a stretch, but seeing the history they showed, the loss of his mother AND entire planet and the discussion with his father, I can see it.

You could also see the conflict/tension early on when spock didn't react to uhura in the turbolift.

I LOVED the reference with scotty about beaming admiral archers beagle and ending up in deep #$@#. Just one more little tie in that was so well done:)

And yes, I am a Trek fan all the way back to the original. Through the lean years, and all the series (some more than others). I very much enjoyed this movie, I am sorry some didn't, but I suppose we can't all like all movies:)

[DougF]

Well I have not seen this one yet, although I plan to, I have four friends that have and there reviews are as mixed as the comments here. :shrug:

[Janus]

One more thing about the director (or writers, I'm not sure which) being in charge of the TV show Lost. Lost is centered around time travel and or alternate realities and has had some episodes where going back in time and changing or attempting to change the future was the idea. So his direction and or writing is somewhat less than original to begin with.

 

 

 

Abrams, the director of Star Trek is a co-creator of LOST, but he doesn't write for it. The writers of Star Trek have no association with LOST. Abrams orignally wanted to do a complete re-boot where you threw out all of the original canon and started completely fresh. It was the writers who convinced him make a connection with the original Trek series, which resulted in the time travel part of the story line. (At no time was it ever the plan to make a straight forward prequel)

[modest]

I suppose I've calmed down a bit. It really was a well-made movie. Abrams did a great job directing it—much better than Shatner or Nimoy and orders of magnitude better than Franks. The acting was great. Karl Urban stuck out in particular as a fantastic Bones and Quinto did very well as Spock. I thought I'd look at him and see Sylar, but there was none of that. He pulled off Spock very well.

 

Of course, all that takes a back seat to the inevitable truth that they completely broke the Star Trek universe :shrug: Yeah, it ruined the movie for me. The last 15 minutes of the movie all I could think was "you broke the star trek universe!". They broke the time line and didn't fix it. Why would they do that? Imagine Spielberg deciding to blowup Alderon or Tatooine at the end of episode 1. There would have been riots in the streets of Cairo. We'd be living in a post-apocalyptic thunderdome right now.

 

Aaahhhh—whatever All I know is I walked out of the movie thinking "why did they do that" instead of "great movie". So, yeah, it ruined it for me.

 

~modest

[Zythryn]

They broke the time line and didn't fix it. Why would they do that?

 

That was done to 'reboot' the Star Trek Universe.

It was basically dead, each show after TNG had a smaller and smaller audience.

They reinvigorated the entire universe without changing what made star trek, star trek.

Yes, Vulcan is gone, and spock's mother and kirk's father are dead. Major DETAILs have changed, but the foundation can go on now.

If you wanted to see something that didn't change at all, you could get some DVDs of the original series:D

 

The basic optimistic premise of what humanity is capable of becoming is there and can be explored once again.

But it is exciting now, I can be surprised by the characters without someone needing to take them completely out of character (the books were doing this more and more:().

 

Of course, it may help that I am a HUGE fan of alternative history novels (Harry Turtledove especially). So perhaps I like the 'what if this had happened differently' type of stories.