The new Star Trek movie.

[Moontanman]

Pilot a Star Ship through a window? Get real clown, as far back as WW2 windows in big military planes were already loosing their usefulness. Modern military airplanes like big bombers fly far to fast and high for the "window" to be much more than something the bored pilot can look out of while things are slow going to target. Even fighter planes rely far more in instruments that looking out the window. Most aircraft can be flown with no windows at all even now. A window on a Star Ship is no better than a window on a submarine, a star ship is not flown by looking out the window or even by looking in the 3d view screen, it's flown by instruments. the view screen is mostly so the captain can see a real world representation of what is happening, almost always what is happening far outside the range of the human eye.

 

Where do you get that the NCC 1701 is pre replicator technology? The NX 1701 didn't look like a old chemical plant inside why would a more sophisticated Star Ship be more primitive. Replicator technology was a big part of the Star Ship NCC 1701. And why were they building a Star Ship on the ground? Building a Star Ship on the ground makes no sense at all.......

[IDMclean]

Pardon, I forgot to link to the NCC-1701. The difference between the NX-1701 and the NCC-1701 is scale. The NCC is a big ship. For the NX it makes sense to stuff everything into bulkheads due to size, so no pipes would be readily apparent. However, for the early NCC, you can improve accessibility both of the internals and of the various sections by opening it up rather than building bulkheads around everything. Think of the inside of an aircraft carrier if you've ever been inside of one.

 

As for piloting, I doubt that windows are ornamental. When I did flight sims back in the day, I used windows a lot (No pun intended). In bombers or fighters. While instrumentation is certainly useful, it can be compromised. I've managed to land a plane in simulations flying "blind" using only the window to do so. A window can be very useful for a 90* or 180* fighting craft for both piloting and weapons fire. Lacking the ability to get a target lock with instrumentation, I can gun down a MIG-29 at mach speeds using dumb-fire missles and rockets if I can see the damn thing.

 

Windows are practically mandatory in gunships like the Hind, where the guns are often directed by the pilot or gunner's vision.

 

As for the complaint about building on the ground? Yah, that is pretty stupid. but, I would read through the NCC-1701 article and some of Star Trek:TOS articles, or better yet, watch the original series before rendering my judgment of just how technically stupid it is in the context of Star Trek.

 

Replicators are a TNG and beyond technology, primarily.

 

Did you know that Romulan ships are powered by singularities rather than inferior anti-matter technology?

 

How do you explain the difference between an electron and a VW-Bug:evil:,

The Clown

[maddog]

My wife and I just went to see Star Trek last night.... :doh::huh:;);):thumbs_do:cussing::D

What the hell! :evil:

My sentiment exactly. :)

Like the original motion picture, I'm just going to pretend that wasn't a star trek movie. Or, maybe take it as fan fiction. Yeah, that was J.J. Abrams' personal fan fiction. :)

Not that I am lover of the Lost show. JJ Abrams has lost a few points in my estimation.

 

Destroying Vulcan? Honestly? In what parallel universe or alternate timeline is that an acceptable prequel? I want my money back! :evil:

Yeah, I sympathize. I can predict in the sequel, they will probably bring back -- ??? --

go back -- with discovering the Borg (??) (again?) another "time-loop" alternate universe thingy. Just so they can get back on track with the "right-timeline" (one that

Still has Vulcan; incl... Spock's mom... Ughh! <Now if some writer-wenie comes to read this post; please reimburse me for the rights to this idea>>>

I am just happy I didn't have to waste $$ on this one.

 

maddog

[maddog]

Having seen only a few episodes of the series and all ovies but years back I actually enjoyed this movie. But, I trust you guys.

 

Anyway, what about the blackhole created by Saturn?

Did I miss that -- Black Hole created by Saturn ??? ;)

 

maddog

[Janus]

Yeah, I sympathize. I can predict in the sequel, they will probably bring back -- ??? --

go back -- with discovering the Borg (??) (again?) another "time-loop" alternate universe thingy. Just so they can get back on track with the "right-timeline" (one that

Still has Vulcan; incl... Spock's mom... Ughh!

 

maddog

 

Nope, the writer's have already said that they are done with any time travel. Besides, why would they go back and "fix" the time line when the very reason they "broke" it on the first place was to give the franchise a fresh start?

[maddog]

I will admit that there was a lot to like about this version of Star Trek. As other's has said

"reboot"-ing the genre may not have been the best al-round. Like someone else said Spock

and Uhuru ??? Quirky. Ok so Chekov was some boyhood genius at 17?

 

How come you never hear of Scotty talk about "Transwarp" beaming before ??? Ohh-Yeah,

that Alternate Universe Thingy again. Yechh!

You know they're gonna' have to fix the timeline yet again!!!#@$?>?? ;)

Why is it that the one OVERUsed Plot Complication is ALWAYS Time Travel, Alternate Timeline. Now mind you I like time travel Sci Fi. It is just ST of any time period uses it way to much! Since ST:E is already in this shows history, they have to inherit it. Since

Vulcan was in ST:E as well as with Cochran at the beginning, they are gonna' have to bring

back Vulcan.

 

Bring Back Vulcan.... BBV, BBV, BBV,.... <<<---- [chant]....

 

So we got to see how much a "bad boy" JT Kirk really was... hmmm.

What was Scotty doing there on that Vulcan moon... ??? For Six months... ???

 

So if not the Borg (couple 100 years later), what other unnatural disaster is befall the

Federation. What happened between the time (end of ST:E and the beginning of this

show) ??? Hmmm.

 

Pike ends up in a chair at the end this timeline, yet he is still supposed to be Captain

for a few more years. What happens to him now ?

 

More questions than answers. Of course this was the "plan" all along... Hmmm. ;)

 

maddog

[CraigD]

Did I miss that -- Black Hole created by Saturn ??? ;)

You’re to be forgiven for missing it, as the extent of the science explanations in this – or, generally, any STrek TV show or movie – consist of a few dropped science-y words in dialog, but yes, the big, everyone-almost-dies-but-get-saved-by-a-brilliant-tinking-outside-the-box-bit-trick-involving-antimatter-Scotty-and-a-cool-looking-explosion climax involves Saturn being collapsed into a black hole.

 

If you missed this, you likely missed the key plot element it’s part of, so, as a trekish public service, I’ll summarize:

• In order to save the galaxy from “a star going supernova” (silly/bad science), old Spock flies a big aquarium tank full of red matter in the federations fastest ship (which I dubbed the whirligig), with which he black hole-izes the deathstar before it does any more harm, but, alas, not before it’s destroyed the Romulan homeworld, Romulus
  
• However, formerly mild-mannered Romulan space miner Nero, distraught over the loss of his planet and family and bent on vengeance, lies in wait aboard a rather hard to take in visually mining ship I dub the spikeyship, and pounces on the whirligig. He fails to prevent it from black hole-izing the supernova-ing star, but causes both ships to fall into the new black hole, sending them back in time.
  
• The spikeyship emerges into the past directly into the path of the hapless USS Kelvin, where Jim Kirk’s 1st officer/briefly captain dad dies in a heroic kamikaze counterattack on the spikeyship, saving newborn Jim, him mom, and lotsa less consequential crewfolk
  
• Through a quirk of the black-hole-falling-into melee, the whirligig emerges into the past 30 (or whatever young cadet Kirk’s age is) years later, and is promptly captured by the spikeyship, where Nero, who’s spent the past 30-ish years consumed and obsessed with vengeance, covets it’s only partially used tank of red matter as a weapon with which to destroy every planet in the Federation.
  
• The spikeyship blows up all of Starfleet except the Enterprise, drills a giant hole in the planet Vulcan, drops in a drop of red matter, and black hole-izes it. During all this, the Enterprise’s captain Pike shuttles to captivity aboard the spikeyship.
  
• The spikeyship goes to Earth and begins drilling another big hole (right next to the Golden Gate Bridge) in preparation for its red matter black hole-izing
  
• Kirk and young Spock sneak/beam aboard the spikeyship. Spock steals back the whirligig. Kirk, after a standard beating-taking, rescues the now torture-crippled captain Pike
  
• Aboard the whirligig, Spock destroys the giant-hole-driller, saving Earth, then high-tails it, spikeyship in hot pursuit, to Saturn, where unbeknownst to Nero, the Enterprise lies in ambush.
  
• The Enterprise lays a whupp’in on the spikeyship, then another kamikaze run, this time by the whirligig, deals it the coupe de grace, scattering lotsa red matter all over the place.
  

OK, here’s the part where Saturn gets turned into a black hole ...

• Spikeyship, Nero, Saturn, and nearly (were it not for the abovementioned cool-looking trick) the Enterprise are consumed in red matter-y black hole-ishness.
  
• Epilog and roll credits
  

I’ve likely made various errors and critical omissions, but will leave their correction to treker/ies of the kind that enjoy striving for that sort of perfection. ;)

[Janus]

Like someone else said Spock

and Uhuru ??? Quirky.

 

maddog

 

Maybe not so much. See this clip form the 1st season of TOS:

 

YouTube - Uhura sings about Spock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgYMTO6Th4

 

And tell me that there might not have some past between Spock and Uhura.

[maddog]

OK, here’s the part where Saturn gets turned into a black hole ...

• Spikeyship, Nero, Saturn, and nearly (were it not for the abovementioned cool-looking trick) the Enterprise are consumed in red matter-y black hole-ishness.
  
• Epilog and roll credits
  

I’ve likely made various errors and critical omissions, but will leave their correction to treker/ies of the kind that enjoy striving for that sort of perfection. ;)

I got all that other part.

 

I saw the Whirligig ship piloted by Heroes-Spock (I'm stuck on not accepting him as spock yet) hightailing it "out of town". I just was not aware of him ending up near Saturn. Like I

didn't see it in the frame. Maybe when it comes to DVD, I can look frame-by-frame.

You hit the highlights pretty good. ;)

 

maddog

[maddog]

Maybe not so much. See this clip form the 1st season of TOS:

YouTube - Uhura sings about Spock

And tell me that there might not have some past between Spock and Uhura.

I guess some stretch of the imagination. Though this was drug/virus induced "Naked Time?"

wasn't it. I wasn't able to watch the YouTube vid from work.

 

maddog

[maddog]

Nope, the writer's have already said that they are done with any time travel. Besides, why would they go back and "fix" the time line when the very reason they "broke" it on the first place was to give the franchise a fresh start?

I doubt it. Ya' know, "never say never". Of course, we'll just have to wait for the next in

the "New Series". :(

 

maddog

[Janus]

I guess some stretch of the imagination. Though this was drug/virus induced "Naked Time?"

wasn't it. I wasn't able to watch the YouTube vid from work.

 

maddog

 

It was From "Charlie X"

 

And then there is this shot from "The Menagerie" which shows that Spock appeared to be more in touch with his emotions at an earlier time:

 

[Buffy]

Geez, what a bunch of *nerds* you guys are!

 

We've seen it three times now and are going back to see it in IMAX this week.

 

Yes, we're girls, but we're big ST fans here and my daughter thinks it's amazing that mom can recite lines from TOS from memory....so what's with all this problem with the *plot*?

 

It is nothing if not innovative: the key weakness of all the "temporal mechanics" plots in all of the shows--as at least a couple of you have alluded to--is that it's always all about "fixing the time line." Finally, after 40-odd years of ducking the issue that's a staple of other SciFi, we actually get a chance to ask the classic but so far unexploited what-if question "what if we just went on with that other time line?"

 

What if we had fewer of those oh-so-superior-stick-up-their-rear Vulcans around always telling us what to do (see many of the plots in Enterprise)? What if we got medicine to those Klingons before their faces got horribly disfigured in the century after the Enterprise A? And maybe redirected their violent streak into that wicked latent Klingon sense of humor? What if we "accidentally" shipped Jim Carrey's frozen head off to the Borg before they hit our end of the Galaxy? (oh wait, Futurama-fusion is probably getting a bit out there....)

 

Unlike most of the rest of you, we're waiting for the next series to pop out of Paramount with this totally new, totally unconstrained-by-the-Star-Trek-History-Vernacular show by JJ, who between Lost and Fringe has really shown a talent for the not-of-this-world-but-almost. ;)

 

It is as Gene Roddenberry orginally pitched it "Wagon Train to the Stars," and as Craig mentioned, it always has succeeded on character development.

 

Uhura with a spine!

 

Scotty and Bones as real wild men!

 

Chekov still mumbling about the "wessel" but saving everyone with his brilliance and amazing transporter skills!

 

And of course Chris Pine is a *total* babe! Woot! :love:

 

What's not to like?

 

How do you think I wound up here? Had a little debate with my instructor on relativistic physics and how it pertains to subspace travel. He seemed to think that the range of transporting something like a... like a grapefruit was limited to about 100 miles. I told him that I could not only beam a grapefruit from one planet to the adjacent planet in the same system - which is easy, by the way - I could do it with a life form. So, I tested it out on Admiral Archer's prized beagle, :phones:

Buffy

[Moontanman]

Buffy, I agree the story line just might turn out to be a stroke of genius. Resetting the time line just might prove to be the best idea in Star Trek since they finally killed off Kirk.

 

I loved Uhura, of course I've loved Uhura since I was 12 or 13 years old. I was amazed at how well all the main charictors were played, Spock was great, an emotionally less distant Spock always made more sense to me. Scotty was great as was Bones. Bones even got the accent right. Kirk was an even bigger jackass than he was in TOS, of course I was one of the people who stood up and applauded when they finally killed him off in the movie, maybe they'll kill him quicker in the new time line.

 

It was the pseudo science and really tacky future tech that put me off most. TOS was limited by the ability to do things on screen but after TNTG I though they finally got the pseudo science and pseudo technology down to , if you pardon the pun, a science. Even STE had science and tech that held together better.

 

Nerd! Nerrrrrds! NERDS! Well yes, guilty as charged! So you are not a nerdette Buffy, really? Really REALLY? Of course not, how could I have thought such a thing :doh:

[Southtown]

I loved it! It's about time they did away with that stupid canon. :hihi:

And who cares about the believability of their technology, anyway? :lol:

[Southtown]

What? Nobody's seen Fanboys?

[GAHD]

a little side note here: spock may have gotten in with Uhura, but kirkgot the manitoy hgrren alien

 

also the best part of the movie: the red-shirt skydiving into the thermal lance. I saw the red suit he wore and was like "yup...i give you 45 seconds on this away mission."