The new Star Trek movie.

[Janus]

The last 15 minutes of the movie all I could think was "you broke the star trek universe!".

~modest

 

Try not to think of it as being broken as much as have been given a whole new beginning.

[Pyrotex]

That was done to 'reboot' the Star Trek Universe....If you wanted to see something that didn't change at all, you could get some DVDs of the original series:D....

Zythryn,

you just don't get it.

They didn't just 'reboot' the Star Trek Universe.

They rebooted OUR universe.

Go ahead, try to play your old TOS DVDs. They're BLANK now!!! Because they never happened. Within a few weeks, all references to the Star Trek TOS, and TNG will fade and disappear forever, leaving only this new movie to start a whole new canon.

In a few months, people will read this thread and wonder what the hell we're talking about. The time-line distortion is a lot worse than you imagined.

[Moontanman]

A window for a view screen? A FREAKIN' WINDOW?

[IDMclean]

I don't Know, maybe I just more forgiving then you guys are. But then I went into this movie knowing that it was a re-boot, and was pleasantly surprised that they kept as much as they did. And mind you, I'm a Trek fan from waaay back. I lived through the "barren" years, when there was nothing but reruns of TOS. And even then, I lived out in the boondocks and couldn't pick up a station that showed them, and had to get my Trek fix by reading the Blish adaptations as they came out. I knew that there were such things as Star Trek conventions, but they might as well been on Vulcan for all the chance I had of getting to one.

 

Janus, I loved the movie. I've seen it twice. I'm composing my review, and I'll post it as soon as I get my thoughts organized.

[Janus]

A window for a view screen? A FREAKIN' WINDOW?

 

Actually, from what I saw it was both. It could either be used as a transparency or "polarized" and used as a viewscreen.

[Moontanman]

Even the NX Enterprise was higher tech than a freakin window. The the view screen is supposed to show what ever view they need, not let them see where the are going, they have sensors to tell them where they are going. This new Star Trek movie is the end of real Star Trek. All the effort to make the pseudoscience of Star Trek hang together and match up as much as possible with real science is simply being washed away. This attention to detail is why Star Trek has always been such a good palate to paint stories on, it's why so many different incarnations of Star Trek have been successful, now it's just the side of a decaying building with cracks and missing bricks all over it.

[Zythryn]

Moon, I don't see what the hangup with the view screen is.

Did you see Pella or Anderson Windows stenciled on it somewhere?

Here is a link to the viewscreen out of the new movie:

http://www.bearotic.com/img/2009/03/star-trek-kirk-spock-viewscreen-lg.jpg

Here are some of the other viewscreens:

Viewscreen - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

 

Now on pure science-fiction 'techy' appearance, I far prefer this movie's look of the viewscreen than the original series, or frankly many of the others.

All are a 'window' on what their sensors are reading.

Star Trek has ALWAYS messed around with time. Often they 'fixed' time so it ran they way it did at the beggining of the episode/movie, but not always.

As for Star Trek striving to 'hang together' to use 'real science' that does not describe the Star Trek I am familiar with.

Star Trek has always (or at least almost always) done a very good job of being internally consistant (which it continues to be with this movie). But it isn't based entirely on 'real science'.

I won't begrudge you from not personally liking the movie. But I do take point with comments such as this movie being the 'end of real Star Trek'.

Matching up with real science??

Warp Drive

Time Travel

Wormholes that ships can travel through

Energy beings

Gravitationally induced drunkenness (Naked Now, Naked Time)

and on, and on.

[Moontanman]

zythryn other than a tiny new entry to explain the new star Trek movie your link totally supports my contention the view screen is not a window and Star ships don't have huge veiwing windows for the same reason submarines do not have windows. They don't need them and a huge window is just a structural problem. There is no reason what so ever for a view screen to be a window, it wasn't on any other star ship in any other Star Trek universe at any time, so why now on this one? And red matter, it's ok as long as it's in it's tube or a syringe but let it loose and it suddenly becomes a black hole! Give me a break even TOS wasn't that bad and for sure the subsequent incarnations of Star Trek wouldn't have used such a silly plot device.

 

I never said Star Trek is scientifically accurate, I said that within the confines of the impossible things they do they try to have as much accurate real science as possible. Unlike things like Star Wars or Flash Gordon they have tried to be internally consistent as well. This movie was none of these things.

 

 

As I have read from another forum, this movies was an action adventure story set in space and using the names and places of the Star Trek universe but it was not Star Trek.

[modest]

They broke the time line and didn't fix it. Why would they do that?

 

That was done to 'reboot' the Star Trek Universe.

It was basically dead, each show after TNG had a smaller and smaller audience.

They reinvigorated the entire universe without changing what made star trek, star trek.

Yes, Vulcan is gone, and spock's mother and kirk's father are dead. Major DETAILs have changed, but the foundation can go on now.

 

Yeah, this is a good point and no doubt how I should be looking at the situation. This will allow them to make more star trek movies or even a series set to the same time and characters as the original, but not needing to bump heads with the original stories. If I had to guess (given the events of the first movie) I'd say the Federation and Klingon Empire will forge an alliance much sooner than the original canon in order to fight their common enemy the Romulans. The destruction of Vulcan would no doubt cause a full scale war... immediately.

 

So, that could be fun... but at the same time, such a travesty to loose the old canon. :)

 

~modest

[Moontanman]

I actually liked the idea of resetting the franchise but the over all back round and silliness of the movie was just too much to accept. Of course many people didn't accept TNG when it first came out and to be fair the TNG universe is very different on many ways than the TOS universe. The new movie is closer to the TOS universe but to me that is not a very good thing since TOS was pretty goofy at times but the over all idea of a positive future over shadowed the sometimes silly plots.

[InfiniteNow]

Saw it at the IMAX tonight, and absolutely loved it. It was fresh, and new, and hit the reset button so we can do more with the story.

 

For anyone on either side of the debate, here's the ABSOLUTE best review I've seen yet of the film:

 

Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

[CraigD]

Well, last night I saw ST:TFB, and after a day for the experience to settle, feel up to commenting.

 

The good:

To its credit, both I and my less geek-trekish wife enjoyed and were engaged by it. It was fun to watch. We got the characters, both their familiar, tie-in-to-ST:TOS parts, the altered-timeline differences, and a strength of characterization I think someone who had never head of STrek would get. Spock, was, I think, the strongest character, as, I think, it should be – according to Roddenberry, Spock is, essentially, the main character, inspiration, and reason for the existence of STrek. (In Yvonne Fern’s Gene Roddenberry: The Last Conversation, Roddenberry describes his vision of STrek as largely his love letter to the character)

 

In terms of story planning, or strategy, I believe Orci, Abrams, and whoever else was involved in it were audacious and right to erase the entire STrek cannon (except ST:E, which story chronologically precedes ST:TFB). A pure prequel would, I think, have been a terrible mistake and continued flogging of the nearly dead horse that is the STrek franchise. “rebooting the timeline” was, IMNSHO, the best direction to take.

 

The story gets many of the “rules” of STrek right. It’s optimistic – every character shares the conviction that the future will be better, and better because of their efforts. Poverty, terrorism, and injustices appear to be nearly gone and forgotten. Bureaucracy is still a problem, but is overcome in the end by ubiquitous personal integrity. Even villains are not inevitable or innately, irredeemably evil, but troubled beyond some breaking point, and ultimately understandable characters with which we can sympathise. Even in the heat of battle, the good folk remain good, as in the near penultimate scene where Kirk offers to rescue Nero and his crew from the destruction he and his crew have just deal them. This gets the key “Roddenberry” rules, something that many of the Berman-guided, post ST:TNG series failed to do.

 

The bad:

The movie jarred me with a plethora of annoyances, many of which have been discussed previously in the thread.

 

Technically, I though the cinematography spoiled the movie's obviously ample video processing and special effects with an overload of images and sounds, and frequently, simple camera shaking more appropriate to guerilla cinema than shiny space sci-fi, so much so that, for a substantial fraction of the screen time, the audience was left wondering what was actually happening. Fight choreography was, for the most part, simply goofy, in many cases to the point of being boring.

 

Various gadgets appeared not simply improbable, but annoying – eg: phaser pistols which someone appears to have been determined to have resemble semiautomatic handguns. I share Moontanman’s chagrin at big physical windows on starship bridges, and worse, Spock prime’s super-speedy whirly-gig ship, which had a cockpit reminiscent of the glazed nose of a WWII bomber, and appeared to rely on eyeball dead-reckoning, seat-of-your-pants hands-on-the-stick(s) piloting, a feat only barely feasible in WWII. Despite my effort to have fun and not take things too seriously, this pretty much dragged my suspension of disbelief into the aisle, stomped its poor ***, and tossed it out of the theatre, just when I needed it the most, to endure the climactic antimatter ejecting and detonating surf’s up escape from the Saturn black hole and subsequent triumphal what-me-worry return to Earth with not a care in the world for the consequences suddenly being 3-planets-over neighbors with a super-powerful x-ray source.

 

And I was so proud of myself for making it through the space-sky-diving scene with no more than a moments doubt that even given the thinner atmosphere of planet Vulcan and 23rd century clothing could allow someone to painlessly renter the atmosphere wearing no more than a tight-fitting vinyl suit – which somehow isn’t effective protection against swords. :)

 

 

For all these faults, I disagree with the criticism that

As I have read from another forum, this movies was an action adventure story set in space and using the names and places of the Star Trek universe but it was not Star Trek.

STrek, especially TOS, is space opera, and dramatic action adventure story set in space. As Moontan later notes, The Original Series had its share of cheesy, technically numb-brained moments, yet if it's not Star Trek, I don't know what is. I wish TOS had been more scientifically informed. I wish the new movies had been. But I feel more strongly than since ST:TNG aired that the franchise has returned to its roots, and hope the poor, abused franchise can struggle to its feet and have a positive influence on yet another generation of 20th/21st century humans.

[Moontanman]

aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh :Glasses: :angry: :lightning:lightning:thumbs_do:cussing:

 

Star Trek is Dead, long live Star Trek!

[GAHD]

my problems with the movie were small enough that I could let them slide and enjoy the plot.

 

That being said the BASIS of the plot is what I had my problems with: A SINGLE supernova thretens the UNIVERSE, and just happens to wipe out Romulus...

 

Exotic "red matter" which somehow multiplies the gravitational effects of normal matter to the point of creating a singularity with MORE PULL than the matter from which it came.

 

Other than that it was bloody AWESOME. I loved it. Spock's last second reason for joining star fleet, Kirk's foolish barroom brawls and run ins with faceless cops. The new reasoning for pike's paralysis, it's all the same but a bit cooler, no?

 

Windows and star ships don't bother me: enterprise D had LOTS of them EVERYWHERE, and it was always the metal(duranium :Glasses:) sections that broke when fired upon...Remember it's transparent aluminium!

 

Last but not least! Better warp sounds! Foohm is soo much better than screech-woosh.

[Moontanman]

To be honest the supernova thing had escaped my memory, the red matter really chapped my *** though. As for the window, yes the Enterprise had windows but they were incidental to the running of the ship. None were used as anything but ambiance. The view screen was always a representation of what the sensors were showing not what the windows were showing. (yeah I know I'm harping on the window thing) But I did think the reset of the Star Trek franchise was a good idea, lets hope they do the whole science thing a little better in subsequent movies or series. Spock and Uhura was a big surprise (I'm jealous, I always had a thing for Uhura, even though i grew up in red neck USA) the lucky green bastard! Maybe in the new franchise he will give Kirk a run for his money, at least his taste in women is better than Kirks. All in all the week that has past since i saw the movie has given me time to mellow. I think it has a chance to carry the Federation flag, lets see what's out there!

[trecksingh]

ok just watched the film. first off. the viewscreen/window. am i not mistaken but the viewscreen in star trek nemesi. the bridge is hit with a tropedo and it blows up the view screen. but i didnt like the hole romance thing. and as some one put it the engine room looks likes a factory. but the rest of the ship looks good. and the technology from the kalvin to the enterprise doesnt change. and the bride of the nx-01 looks more advanced, if they not following stos they could of made it better ie touch screen in stead of captin scarlet. and im sure mircosoft hq has better tech then the bridge of the uss enterprise. they tried to keep the wrong things. but i think that if they make another one. they might set the time line especally because of the back lash by the treckies.

ps

does any one thing they tried to make it star warish!

[IDMclean]

The view screen obviously is made of transparent aluminum, and it would have various advantages like the ability to pilot the ship should the sensors be knocked out of commission. As for the tech level of the ship? The NCC-1701 gets a major refit later on, so they're going to need room to grow and develop. Also, what do you expect the inside of an anti-matter reactor to look like? The NCC-1701 is pre-replicator tech. They still have to pipe water and air around the ship.

 

Give it time, they'll upgrade the ship in the subsequent movies/episodes.