Universe Physics System Flaw

[martillo]

No enemy to kill.

No "Devil" to destroy.

Just a flaw to fix.

 

This is a missing viewpoint/paradigm in all Religions, Sciences, Phylosophies and even Literature and Hollywood movies.

 

Universe Physics System flaw

 

I would like he opinion of people in this forum about this.

Particularly if anyone know a reference or link with some kind of similar approach.

[martillo]

From other Forum:

 

John Galt Posted: Yesterday at 7:06 PM Report this post · Quote

 

 

Martillo,

let's start at the beginning. It appears to me that your primary claim - the physics of the universe is flawed - can only be true if the universe was designed. Is it your opinion that the universe was designed? Your linked essay seems to indicate you do believe this, but because English is not your native language it is not clear.

 

Thank you.

JG

 

 

martillo Posted: Yesterday at 11:39 PM Report this post · Quote

 

 

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let's start at the beginning. It appears to me that your primary claim - the physics of the universe is flawed - can only be true if the universe was designed. Is it your opinion that the universe was designed? Your linked essay seems to indicate you do believe this, but because English is not your native language it is not clear.

 

 

Yes I believe in some intelligent design (although I don't know exactly how that begun) but the intelligences which I think developed the Universe no way matches with the concept of "Gods" in Religion and in Phylosophy because in both is considered totally knowgeadble and totally powerfull entities. They are capable of doing everything and even go against the Laws of Physics sometimes and also capable to determine everything that could happen to anyone of us at any moment and at any place! Even in the dictionary is hold someway this concept of "Gods" and there is a main problem. I think was Descartes who was asked if he believed in "God" and he asked back to define to him what would be understood by "God" and then he would tell if he would believe or not.

I believe in some "Primordial Intelligences" specifying the Physics Laws of the Universe to create an ideal Universe with ideal Worlds with ideal beings to live an ideal life following a main principle "The purpose of the existence is to enjoy life".

Unfortunatelly something haven't gone wrong since the begining and life could only grow under very "hard" (harmfull) conditions and in a non ideal way. Actually we are living some kind of Hell (with some things we could enjoy of course but at the end a Hell) with very harmfull radiation present. Any atom can absorb several small photons and spontaneously emit a big photons times to times breaking some organic molecule of our bodies! (even our own atoms of our own molecules can do that).

I identify the problem in the Physics of the Universe particularly in the real running value of some parameter(s) (the specifications should be right but they would be different from the real values).

 

That's what makes sense to me even with the lack of all the proofs. And so it's my faith. I have faith but not religion. There's no religion that satisfies my faith.

 

I think is an original very different point of view that makes many things have sense.

As I said this viewpoint/paradigm is not expressed in current religions, Phylosophies, scientific approach and not even in literature and movies. I don't understand why it is ausent. I mean that something could be wrong in the Universe, something could have gone wrong in its creation and we could could help detecting, analyzing, finding ways to correct/fix it finally and make possible a new much more "pleasant" World and life.

 

 

 

John Galt Posted: Today at 6:35 AM Report this post · Quote

 

 

 

Thank you for your reply. I have comments and questions in three areas.

 

First, a minor point. You have spoken several times about small photons and big photons. I hope you are aware that all photons are the same 'size'. I imagine you mean that the energy of photons can be different. Is that the case?

 

Second, as others have pointed out, mutations generated by radiation have likely been partly responsible for evolution. If you argue that these are bad, are you also arguing that evolution is bad?

 

Thirdly, you are quite honest in stating you believe this hypothesis based on faith not facts. What observations/studies/research might be made to find facts that would support your belief?

 

 

Thank you for asking a good question and I will show you something really good to think about.

 

 

martillo Posted: Today at 9:08 AM Report this post · Quote

 

 

 

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First, a minor point. You have spoken several times about small photons and big photons. I hope you are aware that all photons are the same 'size'. I imagine you mean that the energy of photons can be different. Is that the case?

 

 

 

Well, actually I'm talking about photons of different energies but they also have different sizes. Unexpectedly more energetic photons are smaller in size. To understand this you would have a "long" way studying my site... (not so easy).

 

 

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Second, as others have pointed out, mutations generated by radiation have likely been partly responsible for evolution. If you argue that these are bad, are you also arguing that evolution is bad?

 

 

No, evolution is not bad, is natural and necessary. I think in two kinds of evolution: "horizontal evolution" and "vertical evolution". To survive under changing enviromental conditions "horizontal evolution" happens, to develop complex beings starting from simple ones "vertical evolution" happens.

Of course the harmfull radiation of "too big photons" had a big impact in the evolution of all the beings in our World and with the Darwininan "natural selection" mechanism taking place but I believe that not only that mechanism was and is present. Actually the two kinds of evolutions would happen anyway in the abscence of the "too big photons" for life to be developed in dynamical Worlds.

 

 

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Thirdly, you are quite honest in stating you believe this hypothesis based on faith not facts. What observations/studies/research might be made to find facts that would support your belief?

 

 

Thank you for asking a good question and I will show you something really good to think about.

 

The central point is that too energetic photons (with energies above that of the deep blue color of light) can break organic molecules particularly those that compose living beings organisms what can cause undesirable mutations, all types of cancer, aging and death. Note that I subtly include aging. Yes I'm considering that aging actually happens just due to the "too big photons" present. I mean if they would not exist "natural aging" would not exist and death would be rare (may be by accidents only) and rare and very special would be the borning of a new being in the World (not like now that for example womans came pregnant even don't wanting to).

Yes I'm talking about possible "ethernal youth" but not with some miraculous "saint grial" or "source of youth". I'm talking about a change in the Physics of the Universe. I'm talking about a totally different kind of existence and life.

Now coming back to your question: "What observations/studies/research might be made to find facts that would support your belief?"

The fact that too energetic photons do break organic molecules is already known and we can easily find information on the web just searching for ultra-violet or even more energetic radiation effects. It is known that they can even produce DNA mutations. May be further studies are needed to realize that many other essential molecules of cells are affected by ultra-violet radiation causing "cell deterioration" (I mean malfunction). I have already heard on TV that one of the causes of aging being considered by some scientists is that DNA "deteriorate" through time while cells reproduce and I follow this line of reasoning but going further and looking for a possible cause of that deterioration. I consider that the presence of the "too big photons" is the real cause. But not only DNA deterioration in cells' reproduction is the cause of aging. The too energetic photons also affect directly many parts of the cells causing their malfunction.

The other line of research I think would be needed is to verify that too energetic photons (above deep blue color) are produced spontaneously by any atom (organisms' atoms and environment's atoms) under normal conditions without any external source of them (in the abscenece of external radiation). I mean even in a submarine under thje deep sea we would find those photons (may be just as some "background radiation noise").

Unfortunatelly what cannot be verified experimentally is how life could be in the abscence of the too energetic photons. Wecannot construct a lab where they would not be present because as I say they can come from any environment and from inside any organism.

I think that just logic and some imagination can do the rest.

 

Thank for your important questions.

Please consider on thing: I'm not infallible (by the way I make mistakes everyday...) and adjustments could be necessary on what I think, say and write.

 

You know religions state The Universe and Nature is perfect created by a perfect "God" and that we are guilty of everything wrong happening to us. Current Science someway agrees with this point of view saying the Universe, Nature and the Physics laws are perfect the way they are.

I take a more positive and productive position thinking that the Universe could not be perfect, life could not be perfect this way and that something could be done to change everything just working and researching in the right direction.

We humans cannot change the Physics Laws but "Primordial Intelligences" that could be called "Gods" could. For Science to have a right approach it must not discard the intervention of some kind of "superior intelligences" in the Universe particularly capable of make changes in the Physics Laws.

 

[CraigD]

No enemy to kill.

No "Devil" to destroy.

Just a flaw to fix.

 

This is a missing viewpoint/paradigm in all Religions, Sciences, Phylosophies and even Literature and Hollywood movies.

 

Universe Physics System flaw [broken link fixed]

Martillo appears to be describing the philosophical/theological concept of the demiurge.

 

An important concept, the concept of the demiurge appear in philosophy and religion since at latest the 4th century BC, appearing in the writing of Plato (4th century BC), being a central feature of Gnostic religions, which have had small but culturally significant numbers of adherents since at latest the early 2nd century AD through today, and arguably being influential in the belief systems of most of the major religions.

 

As with nearly any well or moderately well known theological concept, the demiurge appears in various fictional and non-fictional literature – although I can’t readily recall having read an clear example of such fiction.

 

Although an uncommon theme in film and television, it’s not entirely unrepresented – the animated series Aeon Flux has many - although obscure and indirect - reference to Gnosticism and the Demiurge: the word Aeon in its title refers to a major Gnostic concept, and third season episode #5 is titled The Demiurge, and despicts a supernatural entity unlike, but recognizable similar to, traditional depictions of the Demiurge.

[martillo]

I took a look on the link about "demiurge" but the unique thing that could match is that at the end an imperfect "material" Universe could have been created. Nothing to agree with the rest.

 

My viepoint is that the Universe have been created by/with intelligence but something could have gone wrong in the process and there's something wrong in it particularly on the Physics of the Universe (more details in the linked page at the head post and in the comments on the second post).

I think that the "Primordial Intelligences" that participated in the creation do know that there's something wrong but they don't know what is wrong.

I think they could see/hear the Worlds and life someway through our eyes/years (although they could not "focus" on all the beings at the same time...) and so they know the situation but they don't know exactly what is wrong, which is the real flaw. We humans with a special intelligence (with reason, logic and even "thirst" of knowledge in all areas) and "critic spirit" (some sense about good and bad, right and wrong, pretty and ugly, etc, etc) could be in the situation then to give a big "help" in finding the flaw(s) in the Universe.

 

Lot of religion movements talk about humans' "souls" salvation by different ways. Salvation from a "bad" material Universe or from an intrinsic imperfection of our "souls" presenting different ways to reach some "high spiritual" state.

I'm talking about an imperfection in the Universe and that we are here to help finding the problems and may be the solutions to finally develop a much better Universe with much better Worlds, beings and lifes.

 

The differences are too big.

[Southtown]

Define "bad." Look up "temporal."

[martillo]

Define "bad".

"Bad": not right, not good, I would include harmful in this case.

 

Look up "temporal."

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[Southtown]

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Sorry that was stupid. Nevermind.