The Beginning. Is It Possibly?

[Little Bang]

Georges Lemaitre proposed his Hypothesis of the primeval atom ( Big Bang ) and it became the excepted explanation of the birth of the Universe. If there was a BB then what caused it and if it happened once it must have happened an infinite number of times in the past and will happen an infinite number of times in the future. This puts science in a quandary. You can ask a theoretician about the cause and he will say, “ It was a quantum event. ” which is somewhat like saying, “ I don’t have a clue. “. Then they have the problem of getting the energy of the Universe back into the Primeval Atom so that we can do it again.

 

In order to understand the cause we need to figure out what is going on below the event horizon of a Black Hole (BH). What is happening to the protons, electrons AND radiation as they fall into the bottomless pit of the BH? How is it possible to pack trillions and trillions of metric tons of protons and electrons into a volume of space no bigger than a period at the end of a sentence? I can think of only one explanation for this phenomena. The wave that makes up the proton and electron must be turned back into gamma radiation somewhere after it passes the event horizon. A wave falling toward the center of a BH gains energy and of course that translates to a shorter wavelength. We can now see how energy equal to that of the Universe can be put into a single point.

 

So we have a point that contains all the energy of the Universe. How do we get it to explode and release the radiation that will create our Universe? The shortening wavelength of energy as it approaches the center of a BH is somewhat akin to standing in front of a wall at arms length and taking a step that covers half the distance to the wall. If every succeeding step covers half the distance to the wall you can never reach the wall. There is not enough time in the Universe for you to reach the wall except for one small item, you have FOREVER to reach the wall. When the wavelength of the energy approaching the center of the primeval atom reaches zero, time no longer exists, gravity no longer exists and God said, “ Let there be light.”

[Southtown]

Georges Lemaitre proposed his Hypothesis of the primeval atom ( Big Bang ) and it became the excepted explanation of the birth of the Universe. If there was a BB then what caused it and if it happened once it must have happened an infinite number of times in the past and will happen an infinite number of times in the future. This puts science in a quandary. You can ask a theoretician about the cause and he will say, “ It was a quantum event. ” which is somewhat like saying, “ I don’t have a clue. “. Then they have the problem of getting the energy of the Universe back into the Primeval Atom so that we can do it again.

 

In order to understand the cause we need to figure out what is going on below the event horizon of a Black Hole (BH). What is happening to the protons, electrons AND radiation as they fall into the bottomless pit of the BH? How is it possible to pack trillions and trillions of metric tons of protons and electrons into a volume of space no bigger than a period at the end of a sentence? I can think of only one explanation for this phenomena. The wave that makes up the proton and electron must be turned back into gamma radiation somewhere after it passes the event horizon. A wave falling toward the center of a BH gains energy and of course that translates to a shorter wavelength. We can now see how energy equal to that of the Universe can be put into a single point.

 

So we have a point that contains all the energy of the Universe. How do we get it to explode and release the radiation that will create our Universe? The shortening wavelength of energy as it approaches the center of a BH is somewhat akin to standing in front of a wall at arms length and taking a step that covers half the distance to the wall. If every succeeding step covers half the distance to the wall you can never reach the wall. There is not enough time in the Universe for you to reach the wall except for one small item, you have FOREVER to reach the wall. When the wavelength of the energy approaching the center of the primeval atom reaches zero, time no longer exists, gravity no longer exists and God said, “ Let there be light.”

I don't think that black holes are bottomless pits. Sooner or later a threshold must be crossed and that which is inside breaks back down into energy and escapes.

 

Origins of Quasars and Galaxy Clusters - Halton Arp's official website

[UncleAl]

There is no path within a black hole that allows light to escape through its event horizon shell. Inside a black hole every direction from every point exactly points to an equidistant center of origin, the singularity. There would be no path to the "outside" and no privileged direction for that path to wend. Look into the sky. All four(pi) steradians exactly point to an equidistant center of origin, the Big Bang. So it is for every point in the universe

 

The Big Bang big problem is the overwhelming preponderance of matter versus antimatter in the visible universe (baryon asymmetry). Matter condensed a second after Big Bang initiation. Its creation violated conservation of baryon number and lepton generation number, plus C- and CP-symmetry violations otherwise coupled to postulated symmetries through Emily Noether's two profound theorems. The universe is left handed through the Weak interaction. Essentially all weak interactions show parity violation - though fundamental theory is mirror-symmetric. The weakest interaction is gravitation. NOBODY knows if left and right shoes fall differently. Nobody has looked.

 

Uncle Al is competing in a physics essay contest. His short essay outlines failings of symmetric theory describing asymmetric reality... and a way out, including two classes of benchtop experiments to confirm the proposal. Somebody should look.

 

UNDER SATAN'S LEFT FOOT

A brief and "colorful" summary

[Little Bang]

So, for my idea about the beginning to be correct all the mass of the Universe must eventually collapse back into a point plus a way for all the energy left over after the creation of matter and subsequent annihilation process to find it‘s way back to that point. This leaves me with a two fold problem. One: I must at least suggest a way that the apparent observed accelerated expansion of the Universe is in error. Two: What process could bring the left over energy (which already exceeds the escape velocity of the Universe) back to that point.

 

Suppose we had an infinitely large pan filled with mercury two meters deep. The temperature of the mercury is high enough for it to remain a liquid, a uniform gravitational field to hold the mercury in the pan, and a vacuum. We drop a one meter diameter steel ball into the mercury. The resulting wave will propagate forever but it will lose energy. The amplitude of the wave will decrease over time. With that said, why would we believe that the frequency of a light source will remain constant no matter how far from the source we are when we measure the frequency? If the wavelength becomes longer by an amount of say 10^-36m/meter how would we ever be aware of it? As far I know we don’t have any frequency counters that accurate. Even though the error is very small over a billion light years it would become significant.

[UncleAl]

If you cannot explain the empirical asymmetry between observed abundances of matter and antimatter throughout the universe after the Big Bang, you have nothing new or useful. We know there are no interfaces between homogeneous regions of each because there would be a violent membrane of annihalation radiation emission if there were. We also know there are no observed violations of baryon number or lepton generation number in the contemporary universe.

[Little Bang]

Unk, your essay demonstrates once again your intellectual prowess which is far above any puny mental attributes I might display. The statement where you say, the limits of knowledge may be insular failures of vision, I take to mean we rely on acquired knowledge to be the truth which may prevent us from searching some pathways that will led to the ultimate truth.

 

The asymmetry problem. Obviously any solution I provide must be hypothetical. So far the only place we have seen matter created is the wave collisions at the Stanford linear accelerator. If this is what created matter after the BB then there must have been some reflection of energy from the edge of the expanding Universe in order to have this collision. The collision would have created all the protons and anti-protons. There would have been a small number of times in the ensuing annihilation process where two anti-protons and one proton touch at exactly the same instant thereby leaving one extra proton in the Universe. The release of gamma radiation from the annihilation event would have produced wave collisions that create electrons and anti-electrons. The same annihilation process would leave an extra electron. This electron then could attach to one of the extra protons thereby protecting both from further annihilation. This process would only need to occur about one time out of every billion collisions to produce the matter we see today. This process would imply four possible states. A matter or an anti-matter universe which we would not know the difference and a proton anti-electron or electron anti-proton Universe.

[Southtown]

There is no path within a black hole that allows light to escape through its event horizon shell. Inside a black hole every direction from every point exactly points to an equidistant center of origin, the singularity.

Theoretically speaking? Or is this reality? Perhaps masslessness is just the beginning.

[freeztar]

Unk, your essay demonstrates once again your intellectual prowess which is far above any puny mental attributes I might display. The statement where you say, the limits of knowledge may be insular failures of vision, I take to mean we rely on acquired knowledge to be the truth which may prevent us from searching some pathways that will led to the ultimate truth.

 

Unc has his own motives (with which I have no disagreement - run the experiments!)

 

The asymmetry problem. Obviously any solution I provide must be hypothetical. So far the only place we have seen matter created is the wave collisions at the Stanford linear accelerator. If this is what created matter after the BB then there must have been some reflection of energy from the edge of the expanding Universe in order to have this collision. The collision would have created all the protons and anti-protons. There would have been a small number of times in the ensuing annihilation process where two anti-protons and one proton touch at exactly the same instant thereby leaving one extra proton in the Universe. The release of gamma radiation from the annihilation event would have produced wave collisions that create electrons and anti-electrons. The same annihilation process would leave an extra electron. This electron then could attach to one of the extra protons thereby protecting both from further annihilation. This process would only need to occur about one time out of every billion collisions to produce the matter we see today. This process would imply four possible states. A matter or an anti-matter universe which we would not know the difference and a proton anti-electron or electron anti-proton Universe.

 

Singularity? Have I got it right?

How does a pinpoint have so dense a mass?

 

I'm with you here. :)

Yet, evidence shows, it must have been compact in our past.

It's not really satisfying, eh? I can't wait for the new results in a few years. :shrug:

[Little Bang]

freez, the point does not have a dense mass, only radiation with very short wavelengths and wave length is associated with mass, m = fh/C^2

[freeztar]

freez, the point does not have a dense mass, only radiation with very short wavelengths and wave length is associated with mass, m = fh/C^2

 

Have a look at this:

 

A gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity is a location where the quantities which are used to measure the gravitational field become infinite in a way that does not depend on the coordinate system. These quantities are the scalar invariant curvatures of spacetime, some of which are a measure of the density of matter.

 

For the purposes of proving the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems, a spacetime with a singularity is defined to be one which contains geodesics which cannot be extended in a smooth manner. The end of such a geodesic is considered to be the singularity. This is a different definition, useful for proving theorems.

 

The two most important types of spacetime singularities are curvature singularities and 'conical singularities'. Singularities can also be divided according to whether they are covered by an event horizon or not (naked singularities). According to general relativity, the initial state of the universe, at the beginning of the Big Bang, was a singularity. Another type of singularity predicted by general relativity is inside a black hole: any star collapsing beyond a certain point would form a black hole, inside which a singularity (covered by an event horizon) would be formed, as all the matter would flow into a certain point (or a circular line, if the black hole is rotating). These singularities are also known as curvature singularities.

Singularity theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

For singularities, one must understand that it is a mathematical construct that does not lend well to sensational, or even conceptual, models.

[Little Bang]

I don't think my post disagrees with singularity theory and there has only been one naked singularity, the original primeval atom.

[freeztar]

I don't think my post disagrees with singularity theory and there has only been one naked singularity, the original primeval atom.

 

But, apparently, there's a problem with the "primevil atom". Please elaborate. :)

[Little Bang]

freeztar, what problem are you referring to and I will try to address it?

[freeztar]

freeztar, what problem are you referring to and I will try to address it?

 

Yes, I guess that was a bit vague.

 

You stated:

freez, the point does not have a dense mass, only radiation with very short wavelengths and wave length is associated with mass, m = fh/C^2

To which I responded with a quote from the wiki showing that singularities have infinite quantities, including mass. But perhaps I'm missing something, so I was hoping for an elaboration.

[Little Bang]

Freez, Wiki is right. All matter, ( which I claim will be turned into radiation ) and radiation entering a singularity will be approaching infinity as shorter and shorter wavelengths. Therefore the diameter of the singularity can be infinitely small.

[freeztar]

I think I see what you're saying. It's an interesting idea.

 

To add to it a bit, imagine we use the EMR frequency as a "clock". With GR effects, we would expect time to slow down closer to the center of mass, but with your idea, the frequency might increase lockstep. In that case, an outside observer might not notice any change in time or wavelength.

 

Just thinking out loud...

[Little Bang]

You are right, the frequency would increase lockstep and an outside observer would see time stopped so observe no changes. As far as I know most think that particles falling into a BH assume they will remain particles and yet in our world we give them the Dr. Jykle and Mr. Hyde wave particle duality. I personally dislike the notion because it's like saying a truck can suddenly turn into an elephant by way of virtual photons.